When the Collapse Comes...

[HereWeGoAgain]

Humans form societies. That is what made us the most dominant species on earth. Your bunker mentality and selfish behavior would not be welcome in an emerging society.
Those who are able to work with others to help the whole will create larger groups and ultimately drive you out

There wouldnt be a society you dumbass. Those who survive would be the ones left to try and rebuild...but you wouldnt have to worry about that being dead and all.

Of course there would
That is what humans do. Isolated groups will reform into larger societies. Those most efficient in consolidating scarce resources will thrive. Those who insist on isolation will perish

So who's going to feed this mass of do gooders? If they haven't prepared they're not likely to survive the first winter. Hell,they're not likely to survive the first food shortage.
Cities will become death traps of contaminated water and disease from all the dead bodies and the rats that will be eating them.
And all those nice people you claim will rise up and prosper? Guess again,they'll be gangs out for their own survival.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Therein lies the flaw in prepping, if collapse happens (I don't think it will) it will not be a lone liberal knocking at your door it will be an armed gang and they will have what you have. Better to be mobile than tied to a stockpile.

What will you be armed with, nerf bats?

You wouldn't survive a day without your EBT card.

 

[Old Rocks]

think that Candy is just part of the system , its where she makes her money , its her job and her first priority is the system where she and her Incident Commanders are the bosses as they command regular common people to Shelter in Place .

My actual job involves credentialing and quality management for a large regional healthcare system. I'm also the traffic manager who makes sure you are moved through the system as fast as possible. ER wait time is up across the country. In my system, it's actually down. ER nose counts are growing across the country. In my system, we've seen nearly as many people already this CY as we did the entire last CY. More people seen daily, less wait time.

You're welcome.

As for disaster preparedness goes, I was named Logistics Section Chief by our incident commander. This does not mean I'm going to be at the JIC or Command Post for the overall event taking orders from someone like Thad Allen or Paul Musser. We have a command center set up at our admin office and our job is to be totally self-sufficient and be near total operating capacity for 72 hours maximum. We'll still be dong surgeries and treating patients

I have a deputy that would work 10 hours of the 24 hour day and I would work the other 14.

There is zero obligation for you to follow the advice of the incident commander, elected officials, or anyone else with enough good sense and is willing to share it with you. I will say that the best idea, most times, is to shelter in place. But feel free to do what you want to do.

I tend to think that the hundreds of millions (if not billions) of dollars spent on cities and counties being ready will kick in during a disaster. If you want to rely on what you can carry with you...be my guest.

My respects. That is a job that would be a real load in an emergency. By the way, folks, it does not have to be a manmade Electromagnetic Pulse. See this article on the Carrington Event;

» Experts Warn The Next Carrington Event Will Plunge Us Back Into The Dark Ages Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

Most people have absolutely no idea that the Earth barely missed being fried by a massive EMP burst from the sun in 2012, in 2013 and just last month. If any of those storms would have directly hit us, the result would have been catastrophic.


Image: Solar Flare (Wiki Commons).

Electrical transformers would have burst into flames, power grids would have gone down and much of our technology would have been fried. In essence, life as we know it would have ceased to exist – at least for a time. These kinds of solar storms have hit the Earth many times before, and experts tell us that it is inevitable that it will happen again. The most famous one happened in 1859, and was known as the Carrington Event. But other than the telegraph, humanity had very little dependence on technology at the time. If another Carrington Event happened today, it would be a complete and utter nightmare. A study by Lloyd’s of London has concluded that it would have taken a $2,600,000,000,000 chunk out of the global economy, and it would take up to a decade to repair the damage. Unfortunately, scientists insist that it is going to happen at some point. The only question is when.

Now when this happens what is needed are not a bunch of assholes shooting their neighbors as they walk on the sidewalk in front of their houses, but people working to make things work in spite of the lack of modern electronics. People like Candycorn, people like myself and the people I work with. Millwrights, electricians, and automation people. Those who daily deal with things that are broken. And you don't fix those with guns.

Real preppers, those with storable food and tools for such an emergency would be invaluable. Planners, that would immediatly take over the stores, and see that the perishable food was distributed first, and then the less perishable rationed out. Of course there would have to be record keeping for reimbursement, but the immediate need comes first.

 

[Uncensored2008]

As someone who has lived through three natural disasters, two of which caused people to turn savage, rampage and loot...I can tell you that a Mossberg pump action 12 gauge with slugs and a pistol grip is a nice man stopper to have around.

Okay, I understand this kind of prepping. An earthquake or other type of disaster is always a possibility. Holding out a week or so while aid arrives is important.

BUT this is a far cry from the idea that society is going to suddenly collapse. That simply isn't going to happen. Our society is failing, no doubt. We are an empire in decline. We all know that our children will have less than we did, and their children less than they. Still, this is a slow downward spiral, not a massive collapse. How do you prep against decades of corruption bringing in a hundred million third world peasants to destroy the domestic labor market? How do you prep against the open assault on innovation in biotechnology and medicine that is Obamacare? How do you prep against continued assault on civil liberties by the anti-liberty left?

Unfortunately, the REAL collapse is not something you can prep for, it is the slow decay of the fabric of the nation, the cancer of leftism eating away that which once made us great.

 

[WinterBorn]

think that Candy is just part of the system , its where she makes her money , its her job and her first priority is the system where she and her Incident Commanders are the bosses as they command regular common people to Shelter in Place .

My actual job involves credentialing and quality management for a large regional healthcare system. I'm also the traffic manager who makes sure you are moved through the system as fast as possible. ER wait time is up across the country. In my system, it's actually down. ER nose counts are growing across the country. In my system, we've seen nearly as many people already this CY as we did the entire last CY. More people seen daily, less wait time.

You're welcome.

As for disaster preparedness goes, I was named Logistics Section Chief by our incident commander. This does not mean I'm going to be at the JIC or Command Post for the overall event taking orders from someone like Thad Allen or Paul Musser. We have a command center set up at our admin office and our job is to be totally self-sufficient and be near total operating capacity for 72 hours maximum. We'll still be dong surgeries and treating patients

I have a deputy that would work 10 hours of the 24 hour day and I would work the other 14.

There is zero obligation for you to follow the advice of the incident commander, elected officials, or anyone else with enough good sense and is willing to share it with you. I will say that the best idea, most times, is to shelter in place. But feel free to do what you want to do.

I tend to think that the hundreds of millions (if not billions) of dollars spent on cities and counties being ready will kick in during a disaster. If you want to rely on what you can carry with you...be my guest.

My respects. That is a job that would be a real load in an emergency. By the way, folks, it does not have to be a manmade Electromagnetic Pulse. See this article on the Carrington Event;

» Experts Warn The Next Carrington Event Will Plunge Us Back Into The Dark Ages Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

Most people have absolutely no idea that the Earth barely missed being fried by a massive EMP burst from the sun in 2012, in 2013 and just last month. If any of those storms would have directly hit us, the result would have been catastrophic.


Image: Solar Flare (Wiki Commons).

Electrical transformers would have burst into flames, power grids would have gone down and much of our technology would have been fried. In essence, life as we know it would have ceased to exist – at least for a time. These kinds of solar storms have hit the Earth many times before, and experts tell us that it is inevitable that it will happen again. The most famous one happened in 1859, and was known as the Carrington Event. But other than the telegraph, humanity had very little dependence on technology at the time. If another Carrington Event happened today, it would be a complete and utter nightmare. A study by Lloyd’s of London has concluded that it would have taken a $2,600,000,000,000 chunk out of the global economy, and it would take up to a decade to repair the damage. Unfortunately, scientists insist that it is going to happen at some point. The only question is when.

Now when this happens what is needed are not a bunch of assholes shooting their neighbors as they walk on the sidewalk in front of their houses, but people working to make things work in spite of the lack of modern electronics. People like Candycorn, people like myself and the people I work with. Millwrights, electricians, and automation people. Those who daily deal with things that are broken. And you don't fix those with guns.

Real preppers, those with storable food and tools for such an emergency would be invaluable. Planners, that would immediatly take over the stores, and see that the perishable food was distributed first, and then the less perishable rationed out. Of course there would have to be record keeping for reimbursement, but the immediate need comes first.

You have an admireable mindset. But I disagree with your answer.

If there is another Carrington Event, millions will die. Period. There will not be enough food to live on for most people. Few cities have significant stores, and those will be gone in days.

And then what?

Not only are the farm machines gone, the trucks to bring the food into the cities will be gone. The rail system will be useless. Every food processing, canning and preserving plant in the USA is dependent on electronics to function. There will be mass rioting. There will be no communications systems for the National Guard to use. No communications for anyone to use. Rumors and panic will be the method of communication. Anyone believing that they can withstand that sort of breakdown is dreaming.

Now, 6 months or a year after the event, when it is time to rebuild, I agree that everyone will be needed.

I'll be back after the fires are out and the food wars have ceased.

 

[pismoe]

so PLANNERS would take yer stuff so they can plan in the same way that Incident Commanders would , I suppose ?? That's why the perfect plan for some individuals is to live in / near a small community of like minded people that is a long way from big population centers and the people in those rural communities are plumbers , farmers , ranchers and practical house building rednecks IMO .

 

[Uncensored2008]

Not sure you'll ever convince RW that sitting around singing Kumbaya isnt the most sensible way to survive.

RW thinks that if there were a collapse, government goons will kill those who prepared, and give the proceeds to him, because his needs mean more than the lives of those who planned ahead.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

My actual job involves credentialing and quality management for a large regional healthcare system. I'm also the traffic manager who makes sure you are moved through the system as fast as possible. ER wait time is up across the country. In my system, it's actually down. ER nose counts are growing across the country. In my system, we've seen nearly as many people already this CY as we did the entire last CY. More people seen daily, less wait time.

You're welcome.

As for disaster preparedness goes, I was named Logistics Section Chief by our incident commander. This does not mean I'm going to be at the JIC or Command Post for the overall event taking orders from someone like Thad Allen or Paul Musser. We have a command center set up at our admin office and our job is to be totally self-sufficient and be near total operating capacity for 72 hours maximum. We'll still be dong surgeries and treating patients

I have a deputy that would work 10 hours of the 24 hour day and I would work the other 14.

There is zero obligation for you to follow the advice of the incident commander, elected officials, or anyone else with enough good sense and is willing to share it with you. I will say that the best idea, most times, is to shelter in place. But feel free to do what you want to do.

I tend to think that the hundreds of millions (if not billions) of dollars spent on cities and counties being ready will kick in during a disaster. If you want to rely on what you can carry with you...be my guest.

My respects. That is a job that would be a real load in an emergency. By the way, folks, it does not have to be a manmade Electromagnetic Pulse. See this article on the Carrington Event;

» Experts Warn The Next Carrington Event Will Plunge Us Back Into The Dark Ages Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

Most people have absolutely no idea that the Earth barely missed being fried by a massive EMP burst from the sun in 2012, in 2013 and just last month. If any of those storms would have directly hit us, the result would have been catastrophic.


Image: Solar Flare (Wiki Commons).

Electrical transformers would have burst into flames, power grids would have gone down and much of our technology would have been fried. In essence, life as we know it would have ceased to exist – at least for a time. These kinds of solar storms have hit the Earth many times before, and experts tell us that it is inevitable that it will happen again. The most famous one happened in 1859, and was known as the Carrington Event. But other than the telegraph, humanity had very little dependence on technology at the time. If another Carrington Event happened today, it would be a complete and utter nightmare. A study by Lloyd’s of London has concluded that it would have taken a $2,600,000,000,000 chunk out of the global economy, and it would take up to a decade to repair the damage. Unfortunately, scientists insist that it is going to happen at some point. The only question is when.

Now when this happens what is needed are not a bunch of assholes shooting their neighbors as they walk on the sidewalk in front of their houses, but people working to make things work in spite of the lack of modern electronics. People like Candycorn, people like myself and the people I work with. Millwrights, electricians, and automation people. Those who daily deal with things that are broken. And you don't fix those with guns.

Real preppers, those with storable food and tools for such an emergency would be invaluable. Planners, that would immediatly take over the stores, and see that the perishable food was distributed first, and then the less perishable rationed out. Of course there would have to be record keeping for reimbursement, but the immediate need comes first.

You have an admireable mindset. But I disagree with your answer.

If there is another Carrington Event, millions will die. Period. There will not be enough food to live on for most people. Few cities have significant stores, and those will be gone in days.

And then what?

Not only are the farm machines gone, the trucks to bring the food into the cities will be gone. The rail system will be useless. Every food processing, canning and preserving plant in the USA is dependent on electronics to function. There will be mass rioting. There will be no communications systems for the National Guard to use. No communications for anyone to use. Rumors and panic will be the method of communication. Anyone believing that they can withstand that sort of breakdown is dreaming.

Now, 6 months or a year after the event, when it is time to rebuild, I agree that everyone will be needed.

I'll be back after the fires are out and the food wars have ceased.

Exactly. The idea is to live through the die off. And if our power grid went down I'd expect 2/3 of the population would die at the very least.
People who rely on medication,dialysis and the old and infirm would all die in short order. Those without weapons,supplies and the know how to plant and protect crops would be next.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Not sure you'll ever convince RW that sitting around singing Kumbaya isnt the most sensible way to survive.

RW thinks that if there were a collapse, government goons will kill those who prepared, and give the proceeds to him, because his needs mean more than the lives of those who planned ahead.

Unfortunately for RW those goons are going to be to busy protecting themselves and their families to worry about him. In fact they're just as likely to shoot him and steal his shit as anyone else.

 

[candycorn]

It is the world preppers want to live in....Every man for himself

Rather than getting with neighbors and pooling their resources, their post apocalyptic world revolves around chasing away your former friends

Reminds me of an episode of the Twilight Zone

Reminds me of a scene from The Simpsons:

HOMER: Son, the best way to explain this is to show you some age-inappropriate movies.
So, what have you learned so far from our post-apocalyptic movie marathon?

BART:
Guys who call themselves Preacher or Deacon are very bad.
Water is money, unless gasoline is money.
And even though lots of things are razor-sharp, no one ever shaves.

I lampoon the extremes but the idea of being prepared is the right idea. Cheering for the end as some sort of validation of a life's work (or life's worth) is just sad on a number of levels.

 

[pismoe]

to me the prepared sound pretty normal !!

 

[westwall]

Humans form societies. That is what made us the most dominant species on earth. Your bunker mentality and selfish behavior would not be welcome in an emerging society.
Those who are able to work with others to help the whole will create larger groups and ultimately drive you out

There wouldnt be a society you dumbass. Those who survive would be the ones left to try and rebuild...but you wouldnt have to worry about that being dead and all.

Of course there would
That is what humans do. Isolated groups will reform into larger societies. Those most efficient in consolidating scarce resources will thrive. Those who insist on isolation will perish

Actually, those who are isolated with a small group out far enough away from the rest of humanity will do quite nicely. I pity to poor fools in the cities. Take a look at Northridge after the quake, or Oakland after Loma Prieta, or New Orleans after Katrina. It's not good for those who live day to day.

 

[9thIDdoc]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cQNkIrg-Tk]Hank Williams, Jr. - "Country Boys Can Survive" (Official Music Video) - YouTube[/ame]

 

[pismoe]

that's what I think , as rural as possible and at least a gas tank of gas away from big population centers .

 

[candycorn]

There wouldnt be a society you dumbass. Those who survive would be the ones left to try and rebuild...but you wouldnt have to worry about that being dead and all.

Of course there would
That is what humans do. Isolated groups will reform into larger societies. Those most efficient in consolidating scarce resources will thrive. Those who insist on isolation will perish

Actually, those who are isolated with a small group out far enough away from the rest of humanity will do quite nicely. I pity to poor fools in the cities. Take a look at Northridge after the quake, or Oakland after Loma Prieta, or New Orleans after Katrina. It's not good for those who live day to day.

For those who live day-to-day, being close to the PODs (points of distribution) for bottled water, food, necessities is the only way to go. Being out in the boonies is probably a bad idea.

Like it or not, events happen that challenge the societal norms.
The good thing about the norms is that they tend to restore themselves over time.

Good to be prepared during the interim however.

 

[9thIDdoc]

that's what I think , as rural as possible and at least a gas tank of gas away from big population centers .

I agree and would add in or near clean freshwater springs and/or rivers and or lakes; in or near heavy woods; near farm/ranch land. Caves are nice for a fallback position.

 

[9thIDdoc]

For those who live day-to-day, being close to the PODs (points of distribution) for bottled water, food, necessities is the only way to go. Being out in the boonies is probably a bad idea.

That might be useful in a more minor emergency of short duration. Otherwise it's about as smart as swimming where they are chumming for sharks and just about as suicidal.

 

[WinterBorn]

Of course there would
That is what humans do. Isolated groups will reform into larger societies. Those most efficient in consolidating scarce resources will thrive. Those who insist on isolation will perish

Actually, those who are isolated with a small group out far enough away from the rest of humanity will do quite nicely. I pity to poor fools in the cities. Take a look at Northridge after the quake, or Oakland after Loma Prieta, or New Orleans after Katrina. It's not good for those who live day to day.

For those who live day-to-day, being close to the PODs (points of distribution) for bottled water, food, necessities is the only way to go. Being out in the boonies is probably a bad idea.

Like it or not, events happen that challenge the societal norms.
The good thing about the norms is that they tend to restore themselves over time.

Good to be prepared during the interim however.

Once again, it depends. It depends on the type of emergency and the duration. If it was a hurricane or tropical storm, being near the PODs would be excellent. It gives you ready access without expending resources to get there.

If it was an EMP or geomagnetic storm (as was discussed before), the areas around the PODs would likely be some of the most violent and dangerous places, especially as the supplies start to run low.

If it is one of the major SHTF events, and if I am in the boonies I can control the situation much better. With fewer people and a very low visibility, I and my family are much safer.

 

[Bush92]

Hank Williams, Jr. - "Country Boys Can Survive" (Official Music Video) - YouTube

Greatest song ever.

 

[Bush92]

The song is an anthem for the Alamo to come for the decent, Christian people of the United States. When our nation has lost all glory, honor, and dignity because of liberal Marxist, the country folks will not march to their deaths without a fight. They will fight for the boys of December 8th, 1941 who became men and defended their homeland. They will fight for the honor and dignity of the men of Korean and Vietnam Wars who served and asked nothing in return. they will stand for family, and decency, and community. But when the left has destroyed this, they destroy themselves. No more booger man or history to blame. Just your own sorry assed pathetic culture.