When the Collapse Comes...

[zeke]

I think the best situation would be a remote, well-situated, spacious, well-stocked, defensible stronghold inhabited by capable, compatible, well-armed people and a kennel filled with large, vicious attack dogs. Prepping such a situation would require adequate wealth and persistent, systematic planning.

If you live out in the suburbs of Long Island, it's best to know all the nearby Gun Owners in your immediate neighborhood. Put together a well patrolled perimeter. The way we plan to deal with non-gun owners is as follows:

In a "minor" SHTF scenario, like a natural disaster, help as many as you can, the Government will eventually restore law and order and private charities from around the nation will come to your aide.

In a major SHTF scenario, like a terrorist attack on the power grid, or a Dollar Crash, there will be no Government for many months, possibly even years, and millions will starve. Forcibly evict all non gun owners, because if you don't they'll conspire to murder you in your sleep for your stores.

Use the materials from their homes to repair your homes and build basic walls and defensive structures. Use their property to plant crops.

Also, make sure you the gun owners agree on Trial by Jury, this way there is some degree of Law and Popular Sovereignty even amongst yourselves. Kill any gun owner who disagrees with Jury Trials --- this person craves to be a local Tyrant.

First you want to forcibly evict people from their property, then you want Jury Trials. Before you start killing people without jury trials.

You are a ******* narcissistic idiot. What a ******* combo.

 

[Geaux4it]

I think the best situation would be a remote, well-situated, spacious, well-stocked, defensible stronghold inhabited by capable, compatible, well-armed people and a kennel filled with large, vicious attack dogs. Prepping such a situation would require adequate wealth and persistent, systematic planning.

If you live out in the suburbs of Long Island, it's best to know all the nearby Gun Owners in your immediate neighborhood. Put together a well patrolled perimeter. The way we plan to deal with non-gun owners is as follows:

In a "minor" SHTF scenario, like a natural disaster, help as many as you can, the Government will eventually restore law and order and private charities from around the nation will come to your aide.

In a major SHTF scenario, like a terrorist attack on the power grid, or a Dollar Crash, there will be no Government for many months, possibly even years, and millions will starve. Forcibly evict all non gun owners, because if you don't they'll conspire to murder you in your sleep for your stores.

Use the materials from their homes to repair your homes and build basic walls and defensive structures. Use their property to plant crops.

Also, make sure you the gun owners agree on Trial by Jury, this way there is some degree of Law and Popular Sovereignty even amongst yourselves. Kill any gun owner who disagrees with Jury Trials --- this person craves to be a local Tyrant.

If you can't shoot then they will become cooks

-Geaux

 

[zeke]

Hey second. You come to my house thinking you are gonna throw me out and I blow your raggedy shit away, do I get to stay in the gun owners camp? Even though I killed you, do I get to stay. Not my fault you thought I didn't have any guns now is it?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Hey second. You come to my house thinking you are gonna throw me out and I blow your raggedy shit away, do I get to stay in the gun owners camp? Even though I killed you, do I get to stay. Not my fault you thought I didn't have any guns now is it?

No. Now you've pissed off a group that outnumbers you. They can simply wait till you run out of food,fall asleep or they can burn you out.
Going it alone is a recipe for disaster.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The worst thing about the collapse is that there will be no internet upon which someone can post videos of Candycorn's whining and crying that the people who enslaved her dependent ass aren't being fair and sharing their stuff with her.

 

[WinterBorn]

One of the misconceptions about preppers is the idea that they will be flaunting what they have after the SHTF. Someone has even said that it won't be long before it is obvious you prepared.

This flies in the face of the logic and planning used by most preppers. I am not going to advertise what I have. I am not going to burn lights all over my house like it was just another tuesday after evening at home.

In fact, I will go to some lengths to make my homestead look less appealing. I have a pretty long driveway up to my house. If we have the sort of collapse that we will not recover quickly from, I will have someone watching the driveway. We will take shifts. And if you come upon our little corner of heaven, you will not see some militarized camp or compound. You will see a good ol' boy redneck with a scoped rifle or a shotgun. Nothing to see and nothing worth much, but not an easy target.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Therein lies the flaw in prepping, if collapse happens (I don't think it will) it will not be a lone liberal knocking at your door it will be an armed gang and they will have what you have. Better to be mobile than tied to a stockpile.

Do you mean mobile as in an RV?

I think the best situation would be a remote, well-situated, spacious, well-stocked, defensible stronghold inhabited by capable, compatible, well-armed people and a kennel filled with large, vicious attack dogs. Prepping such a situation would require adequate wealth and persistent, systematic planning.

Without wealth it will be impossible to obtain the things needed to prep for long-term survival if one has no choice but to remain in the U.S. Those with considerable wealth probably have well established plans to leave the U.S. by private jet and to live comfortably elsewhere.

learning to adapt

is the most important factor

 

[WinterBorn]

Therein lies the flaw in prepping, if collapse happens (I don't think it will) it will not be a lone liberal knocking at your door it will be an armed gang and they will have what you have. Better to be mobile than tied to a stockpile.

Do you mean mobile as in an RV?

I think the best situation would be a remote, well-situated, spacious, well-stocked, defensible stronghold inhabited by capable, compatible, well-armed people and a kennel filled with large, vicious attack dogs. Prepping such a situation would require adequate wealth and persistent, systematic planning.

Without wealth it will be impossible to obtain the things needed to prep for long-term survival if one has no choice but to remain in the U.S. Those with considerable wealth probably have well established plans to leave the U.S. by private jet and to live comfortably elsewhere.

learning to adapt

is the most important factor

True. Being able to adapt, having basic skills to survive, and having the mindset needed to do it.

 

[candycorn]

I think the best situation would be a remote, well-situated, spacious, well-stocked, defensible stronghold inhabited by capable, compatible, well-armed people and a kennel filled with large, vicious attack dogs. Prepping such a situation would require adequate wealth and persistent, systematic planning.

If you live out in the suburbs of Long Island, it's best to know all the nearby Gun Owners in your immediate neighborhood. Put together a well patrolled perimeter. The way we plan to deal with non-gun owners is as follows:

In a "minor" SHTF scenario, like a natural disaster, help as many as you can, the Government will eventually restore law and order and private charities from around the nation will come to your aide.

In a major SHTF scenario, like a terrorist attack on the power grid, or a Dollar Crash, there will be no Government for many months, possibly even years, and millions will starve. Forcibly evict all non gun owners, because if you don't they'll conspire to murder you in your sleep for your stores.

Use the materials from their homes to repair your homes and build basic walls and defensive structures. Use their property to plant crops.

Also, make sure you the gun owners agree on Trial by Jury, this way there is some degree of Law and Popular Sovereignty even amongst yourselves. Kill any gun owner who disagrees with Jury Trials --- this person craves to be a local Tyrant.

First you want to forcibly evict people from their property, then you want Jury Trials. Before you start killing people without jury trials.

You are a ******* narcissistic idiot. What a ******* combo.

Also, it's worthy of mentioning that--hell, just by reading the posts here--when you start trying to organize fellow gun nuts into a cohesive unit, the first thing cletus is going to ask is "Who made you boss?"

This is where the cartoonish fantasies come into play. That somehow, you and your MP10 will gain followers and you'll be some sort of modern day Moses leading people to the promised land and anyone who is "unfortunate" enough to not be in the group better fear for their lives.

Yeah....

 

[WinterBorn]

If you live out in the suburbs of Long Island, it's best to know all the nearby Gun Owners in your immediate neighborhood. Put together a well patrolled perimeter. The way we plan to deal with non-gun owners is as follows:

In a "minor" SHTF scenario, like a natural disaster, help as many as you can, the Government will eventually restore law and order and private charities from around the nation will come to your aide.

In a major SHTF scenario, like a terrorist attack on the power grid, or a Dollar Crash, there will be no Government for many months, possibly even years, and millions will starve. Forcibly evict all non gun owners, because if you don't they'll conspire to murder you in your sleep for your stores.

Use the materials from their homes to repair your homes and build basic walls and defensive structures. Use their property to plant crops.

Also, make sure you the gun owners agree on Trial by Jury, this way there is some degree of Law and Popular Sovereignty even amongst yourselves. Kill any gun owner who disagrees with Jury Trials --- this person craves to be a local Tyrant.

First you want to forcibly evict people from their property, then you want Jury Trials. Before you start killing people without jury trials.

You are a ******* narcissistic idiot. What a ******* combo.

Also, it's worthy of mentioning that--hell, just by reading the posts here--when you start trying to organize fellow gun nuts into a cohesive unit, the first thing cletus is going to ask is "Who made you boss?"

This is where the cartoonish fantasies come into play. That somehow, you and your MP10 will gain followers and you'll be some sort of modern day Moses leading people to the promised land and anyone who is "unfortunate" enough to not be in the group better fear for their lives.

Yeah....

Or we could cooperate like people with a common goal. I don't live there anymore, but I still have good friends where my land is. These are people I know and trust. We probably won't be sharing a roof, but we will share tasks to keep everyone alive.

And the only people who need fear us are the ones who would come to harm us.



BTW, did anyone ever answer my question about the scenario where the National Guard kept order and forced preppers to "cooperate" or face jail/execution?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

One of the misconceptions about preppers is the idea that they will be flaunting what they have after the SHTF. Someone has even said that it won't be long before it is obvious you prepared.

This flies in the face of the logic and planning used by most preppers. I am not going to advertise what I have. I am not going to burn lights all over my house like it was just another tuesday after evening at home.

In fact, I will go to some lengths to make my homestead look less appealing. I have a pretty long driveway up to my house. If we have the sort of collapse that we will not recover quickly from, I will have someone watching the driveway. We will take shifts. And if you come upon our little corner of heaven, you will not see some militarized camp or compound. You will see a good ol' boy redneck with a scoped rifle or a shotgun. Nothing to see and nothing worth much, but not an easy target.

If I was out in the boonies,I'd plant some native brush and small trees on my former driveway.

 

[WinterBorn]

One of the misconceptions about preppers is the idea that they will be flaunting what they have after the SHTF. Someone has even said that it won't be long before it is obvious you prepared.

This flies in the face of the logic and planning used by most preppers. I am not going to advertise what I have. I am not going to burn lights all over my house like it was just another tuesday after evening at home.

In fact, I will go to some lengths to make my homestead look less appealing. I have a pretty long driveway up to my house. If we have the sort of collapse that we will not recover quickly from, I will have someone watching the driveway. We will take shifts. And if you come upon our little corner of heaven, you will not see some militarized camp or compound. You will see a good ol' boy redneck with a scoped rifle or a shotgun. Nothing to see and nothing worth much, but not an easy target.

If I was out in the boonies,I'd plant some native brush and small trees on my former driveway.

Mother nature did that for me. There is a pine thicket on a small hill between my house and the county road.

 

[candycorn]

First you want to forcibly evict people from their property, then you want Jury Trials. Before you start killing people without jury trials.

You are a ******* narcissistic idiot. What a ******* combo.

Also, it's worthy of mentioning that--hell, just by reading the posts here--when you start trying to organize fellow gun nuts into a cohesive unit, the first thing cletus is going to ask is "Who made you boss?"

This is where the cartoonish fantasies come into play. That somehow, you and your MP10 will gain followers and you'll be some sort of modern day Moses leading people to the promised land and anyone who is "unfortunate" enough to not be in the group better fear for their lives.

Yeah....

Or we could cooperate like people with a common goal. I don't live there anymore, but I still have good friends where my land is. These are people I know and trust. We probably won't be sharing a roof, but we will share tasks to keep everyone alive.

And the only people who need fear us are the ones who would come to harm us.



BTW, did anyone ever answer my question about the scenario where the National Guard kept order and forced preppers to "cooperate" or face jail/execution?

Sure...and all of that prepper paranoia will dissolve and what remains would be pliable individuals who will gladly acquiesce to what someone else wants them to do...

And the only people who need fear us are the ones who would come to harm us.

And it turns out the woman and ten year old daughter is their cousin so they take them in...thus threatening the mythical collective you think will materialize out of nowhere.

Then what? Executions?

Can't wait until you explain to them that it's important you keep YOUR dogs fed and well.

 

[Wildman]

Ive said it a dozen times already...preparing isn't the issue. Gunning down someone asking for help is. See the first god-damned post for clarification. Christ.

We've leaned here that some people allegedly have 12-18 months worth of food and would still tell someone asking for help to go **** themselves and someone has deputized an 8 year old to basically tell someone to go take a hike during an emergency.

I'm dubious of all of the claims....I think that when the chips are down, your humanity takes over. Yes, if you're down to your last can of soup, you feed your family with it before you offer anyone else a spoonful. When you have 300 cans of soup? Uhh...you're sick if you don't share IMHO.


It is sort of telling--from a political viewpoint--that those who don't give two shits for their fellow Americans seem to be the ones who have lost five of the last six popular votes in national elections.

I was responding
to your specific words in that specific post. Don't want me to respond to your words? Don't write them.

" Again, where I have a problem is with this crazy mentality that everyone should be prepared for anything at all times..."

My apology but I still don't see where I said that you shouldn't prepare for unforeseen disasters.


As for the quotation above...
Perhaps understand the context????

The notion that if you're not prepping, you're leading a decadent lifestyle without a care in the world and are totally reliant on the government and expect them to supply your every need is false. People used to have pensions; the 401k has become the new pension. Eighty percent of full time workers have access to them (http://www.americanbenefitscouncil.org/documents2013/401k_stats.pdf). But almost all are market based unless you put it into treasuries and securities. For most Americans, this is it as far as employer retirement plans go. The markets will go south if there is a serious government collapse which will most likely be keyed by treasury instruments going south so you're screwed either way.

They are not FDIC insured. I know of no 401K that lets you keep money in the bank.

So the lady who has the 10 year old girl loses her life savings and is hungry. The same source says that 1/2 of all workers eligible for 401k's take advantage of them. Individual investors have no direct involvement in the collapse but somehow, since she wasn't planting crops in her backyard or preparing for a tornado/wildfire/hurricane or other natural disaster or man made catastrophe...apparently it's "tough shit" and better luck next life.

Is this the best we can offer our neighbor?

That is pretty much my point.

Again, I apologize.

My apology but I still don't see where I said that you shouldn't prepare for unforeseen disasters.

no apology needed, it is a sign of weakness, but using the word, "preppers" is the same thing

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[WinterBorn]

Also, it's worthy of mentioning that--hell, just by reading the posts here--when you start trying to organize fellow gun nuts into a cohesive unit, the first thing cletus is going to ask is "Who made you boss?"

This is where the cartoonish fantasies come into play. That somehow, you and your MP10 will gain followers and you'll be some sort of modern day Moses leading people to the promised land and anyone who is "unfortunate" enough to not be in the group better fear for their lives.

Yeah....

Or we could cooperate like people with a common goal. I don't live there anymore, but I still have good friends where my land is. These are people I know and trust. We probably won't be sharing a roof, but we will share tasks to keep everyone alive.

And the only people who need fear us are the ones who would come to harm us.



BTW, did anyone ever answer my question about the scenario where the National Guard kept order and forced preppers to "cooperate" or face jail/execution?

Sure...and all of that prepper paranoia will dissolve and what remains would be pliable individuals who will gladly acquiesce to what someone else wants them to do...

And the only people who need fear us are the ones who would come to harm us.

And it turns out the woman and ten year old daughter is their cousin so they take them in...thus threatening the mythical collective you think will materialize out of nowhere.

Then what? Executions?

Can't wait until you explain to them that it's important you keep YOUR dogs fed and well.

So I guess the answer is 'No', that no one ever answered the question concerning forced cooperation of the preppers by the National Guard and local politicians.

I would love to hear the basis for your contention that the preppers who spent time, money and energy preparing to survive would suddenly acquiesce to what someone else wants them to do.

Still holding on to the idea of the woman and her 10 year old child coming up, alone, begging? Where I lived (and have a house & land) is 30 miles from the nearest city. Not sure how the woman and her child got there. As for her being their cousin, they may have relatives show up and they can take them in. I do not pretend to control what my few neighbors and friends do in their homes.

I have no need to explain anything. I do have a stock pile of dry dog food. Should I offer the woman and her child a few scoops of that?

 

[pismoe]

I think that one poster MIKE K states [on page 23] a very possible , plausible scenario for the wealthy prepper and ELITES and I'd say that some of those wealthy preppers and statist elite are the ELITE that have caused the problems in the USA to begin with . Yeah , they'd be wealthy and mobile and flying in jets and moving in protected caravans to safe destinations and doing that flying and traveling and getting that protection at taxpayer expense .

 

[candycorn]

Or we could cooperate like people with a common goal. I don't live there anymore, but I still have good friends where my land is. These are people I know and trust. We probably won't be sharing a roof, but we will share tasks to keep everyone alive.

And the only people who need fear us are the ones who would come to harm us.



BTW, did anyone ever answer my question about the scenario where the National Guard kept order and forced preppers to "cooperate" or face jail/execution?

Sure...and all of that prepper paranoia will dissolve and what remains would be pliable individuals who will gladly acquiesce to what someone else wants them to do...

And the only people who need fear us are the ones who would come to harm us.

And it turns out the woman and ten year old daughter is their cousin so they take them in...thus threatening the mythical collective you think will materialize out of nowhere.

Then what? Executions?

Can't wait until you explain to them that it's important you keep YOUR dogs fed and well.

I would love to hear the basis for your contention that the preppers who spent time, money and energy preparing to survive would suddenly acquiesce to what someone else wants them to do.

Your "we'll all cooperate" BS above.

Still holding on to the idea of the woman and her 10 year old child coming up, alone, begging? Where I lived (and have a house & land) is 30 miles from the nearest city. Not sure how the woman and her child got there. As for her being their cousin, they may have relatives show up and they can take them in. I do not pretend to control what my few neighbors and friends do in their homes.

Yeah but earlier you said that you guys were cooperating. So you've made this blood pact to protect one another. The woman and 10 year old show up and someone violates the pact by allowing (gasp) two more mouths to feed. We've seen the math to where this spells total disaster----so now what?

I have no need to explain anything. I do have a stock pile of dry dog food. Should I offer the woman and her child a few scoops of that?

Oh no...I wouldn't want you to violate your ethics by not feeding your dogs; just let the humans starve.

 

[WinterBorn]

Sure...and all of that prepper paranoia will dissolve and what remains would be pliable individuals who will gladly acquiesce to what someone else wants them to do...



And it turns out the woman and ten year old daughter is their cousin so they take them in...thus threatening the mythical collective you think will materialize out of nowhere.

Then what? Executions?

Can't wait until you explain to them that it's important you keep YOUR dogs fed and well.

I would love to hear the basis for your contention that the preppers who spent time, money and energy preparing to survive would suddenly acquiesce to what someone else wants them to do.

Your "we'll all cooperate" BS above.

Still holding on to the idea of the woman and her 10 year old child coming up, alone, begging? Where I lived (and have a house & land) is 30 miles from the nearest city. Not sure how the woman and her child got there. As for her being their cousin, they may have relatives show up and they can take them in. I do not pretend to control what my few neighbors and friends do in their homes.

Yeah but earlier you said that you guys were cooperating. So you've made this blood pact to protect one another. The woman and 10 year old show up and someone violates the pact by allowing (gasp) two more mouths to feed. We've seen the math to where this spells total disaster----so now what?

I have no need to explain anything. I do have a stock pile of dry dog food. Should I offer the woman and her child a few scoops of that?

Oh no...I wouldn't want you to violate your ethics by not feeding your dogs; just let the humans starve.

So you think that anyone who cooperates with a select group must, therefore, cooperate with anyone? Kinda stretching it, aren't you? We who own the land in our little area cooperate in maintaining a good hunting area. But our land is not open for all hunters. And your "blood pact" sarcasm is duly noted. I guess that is easier than an actual discussion. You have continually tried to show the preppers in a negative light. You have even gone so far as to invent what they say or think. But it doesn't hold water.

As for our dogs, they are members of our families. I'm sorry that you do not see that. But I reject your "If you can't help everyone, you shouldn't live" mentality.

 

[Wildman]

If you live out in the suburbs of Long Island, it's best to know all the nearby Gun Owners in your immediate neighborhood. Put together a well patrolled perimeter. The way we plan to deal with non-gun owners is as follows:

In a "minor" SHTF scenario, like a natural disaster, help as many as you can, the Government will eventually restore law and order and private charities from around the nation will come to your aide.

In a major SHTF scenario, like a terrorist attack on the power grid, or a Dollar Crash, there will be no Government for many months, possibly even years, and millions will starve. Forcibly evict all non gun owners, because if you don't they'll conspire to murder you in your sleep for your stores.

Use the materials from their homes to repair your homes and build basic walls and defensive structures. Use their property to plant crops.

Also, make sure you the gun owners agree on Trial by Jury, this way there is some degree of Law and Popular Sovereignty even amongst yourselves. Kill any gun owner who disagrees with Jury Trials --- this person craves to be a local Tyrant.

First you want to forcibly evict people from their property, then you want Jury Trials. Before you start killing people without jury trials.

You are a ******* narcissistic idiot. What a ******* combo.

Also, it's worthy of mentioning that--hell, just by reading the posts here--when you start trying to organize fellow gun nuts into a cohesive unit, the first thing cletus is going to ask is "Who made you boss?"

This is where the cartoonish fantasies come into play. That somehow, you and your MP10 will gain followers and you'll be some sort of modern day Moses leading people to the promised land and anyone who is "unfortunate" enough to not be in the group better fear for their lives.

Yeah....

MP10 ?

what good is a ******* aquarium pump going to do ?


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[asterism]

If you live out in the suburbs of Long Island, it's best to know all the nearby Gun Owners in your immediate neighborhood. Put together a well patrolled perimeter. The way we plan to deal with non-gun owners is as follows:

In a "minor" SHTF scenario, like a natural disaster, help as many as you can, the Government will eventually restore law and order and private charities from around the nation will come to your aide.

In a major SHTF scenario, like a terrorist attack on the power grid, or a Dollar Crash, there will be no Government for many months, possibly even years, and millions will starve. Forcibly evict all non gun owners, because if you don't they'll conspire to murder you in your sleep for your stores.

Use the materials from their homes to repair your homes and build basic walls and defensive structures. Use their property to plant crops.

Also, make sure you the gun owners agree on Trial by Jury, this way there is some degree of Law and Popular Sovereignty even amongst yourselves. Kill any gun owner who disagrees with Jury Trials --- this person craves to be a local Tyrant.

First you want to forcibly evict people from their property, then you want Jury Trials. Before you start killing people without jury trials.

You are a ******* narcissistic idiot. What a ******* combo.

Also, it's worthy of mentioning that--hell, just by reading the posts here--when you start trying to organize fellow gun nuts into a cohesive unit, the first thing cletus is going to ask is "Who made you boss?"

This is where the cartoonish fantasies come into play. That somehow, you and your MP10 will gain followers and you'll be some sort of modern day Moses leading people to the promised land and anyone who is "unfortunate" enough to not be in the group better fear for their lives.

Yeah....

You've got some issues with leadership it seems. I don't know if it's pure ignorance or just a very warped view you have of people that don't agree with you, but you might want to take some time and actually get to know people a little more.