When the Collapse Comes...

[candycorn]

Nobody said you have to be prepared for anything all the time. Why do you have a problem with people who have the means to prepare for some things and do so? Is it better to not prepare for anything at all? Give up on all preparations?

Are you going to get rid of the spare tire in your car? Don't bother taking a first aid kit when hiking?

Ive said it a dozen times already...preparing isn't the issue. Gunning down someone asking for help is. See the first god-damned post for clarification. Christ.

We've leaned here that some people allegedly have 12-18 months worth of food and would still tell someone asking for help to go **** themselves and someone has deputized an 8 year old to basically tell someone to go take a hike during an emergency.

I'm dubious of all of the claims....I think that when the chips are down, your humanity takes over. Yes, if you're down to your last can of soup, you feed your family with it before you offer anyone else a spoonful. When you have 300 cans of soup? Uhh...you're sick if you don't share IMHO.


It is sort of telling--from a political viewpoint--that those who don't give two shits for their fellow Americans seem to be the ones who have lost five of the last six popular votes in national elections.

The problem with your last can/300 can soup theory is that it can be the same thing. If I have 12 people to feed, we will go thru at least 3 cans a day to keep everyone alive. So 300 cans will last 100 days. If we start on Halloween, the 300 cans would be finished on Feb. 8th. So any cans we gave away would hasten the demise of those I am supposed to protect.


But, as i said, I would happily give the woman and her child a ride back to their home. The system that you have such faith in will restore order soon.

So, just to be clear...

You would give them a ride home.
But if you had 300 cans of soup...you wouldn't give her any.

Is this what you're saying?

 

[WinterBorn]

Ive said it a dozen times already...preparing isn't the issue. Gunning down someone asking for help is. See the first god-damned post for clarification. Christ.

We've leaned here that some people allegedly have 12-18 months worth of food and would still tell someone asking for help to go **** themselves and someone has deputized an 8 year old to basically tell someone to go take a hike during an emergency.

I'm dubious of all of the claims....I think that when the chips are down, your humanity takes over. Yes, if you're down to your last can of soup, you feed your family with it before you offer anyone else a spoonful. When you have 300 cans of soup? Uhh...you're sick if you don't share IMHO.


It is sort of telling--from a political viewpoint--that those who don't give two shits for their fellow Americans seem to be the ones who have lost five of the last six popular votes in national elections.

The problem with your last can/300 can soup theory is that it can be the same thing. If I have 12 people to feed, we will go thru at least 3 cans a day to keep everyone alive. So 300 cans will last 100 days. If we start on Halloween, the 300 cans would be finished on Feb. 8th. So any cans we gave away would hasten the demise of those I am supposed to protect.


But, as i said, I would happily give the woman and her child a ride back to their home. The system that you have such faith in will restore order soon.

So, just to be clear...

You would give them a ride home.
But if you had 300 cans of soup...you wouldn't give her any.

Is this what you're saying?

According to you, she wouldn't need my soup. The system will be back in short order.

And once again, whether i helped them would depend on the situation.

 

[candycorn]

Nobody said you have to be prepared for anything all the time. Why do you have a problem with people who have the means to prepare for some things and do so? Is it better to not prepare for anything at all? Give up on all preparations?

Are you going to get rid of the spare tire in your car? Don't bother taking a first aid kit when hiking?

Ive said it a dozen times already...preparing isn't the issue. Gunning down someone asking for help is. See the first god-damned post for clarification. Christ.

We've leaned here that some people allegedly have 12-18 months worth of food and would still tell someone asking for help to go **** themselves and someone has deputized an 8 year old to basically tell someone to go take a hike during an emergency.

I'm dubious of all of the claims....I think that when the chips are down, your humanity takes over. Yes, if you're down to your last can of soup, you feed your family with it before you offer anyone else a spoonful. When you have 300 cans of soup? Uhh...you're sick if you don't share IMHO.


It is sort of telling--from a political viewpoint--that those who don't give two shits for their fellow Americans seem to be the ones who have lost five of the last six popular votes in national elections.

I was responding
to your specific words in that specific post. Don't want me to respond to your words? Don't write them.

" Again, where I have a problem is with this crazy mentality that everyone should be prepared for anything at all times..."

My apology but I still don't see where I said that you shouldn't prepare for unforeseen disasters.


As for the quotation above...
Perhaps understand the context????

The notion that if you're not prepping, you're leading a decadent lifestyle without a care in the world and are totally reliant on the government and expect them to supply your every need is false. People used to have pensions; the 401k has become the new pension. Eighty percent of full time workers have access to them (http://www.americanbenefitscouncil.org/documents2013/401k_stats.pdf). But almost all are market based unless you put it into treasuries and securities. For most Americans, this is it as far as employer retirement plans go. The markets will go south if there is a serious government collapse which will most likely be keyed by treasury instruments going south so you're screwed either way.

They are not FDIC insured. I know of no 401K that lets you keep money in the bank.

So the lady who has the 10 year old girl loses her life savings and is hungry. The same source says that 1/2 of all workers eligible for 401k's take advantage of them. Individual investors have no direct involvement in the collapse but somehow, since she wasn't planting crops in her backyard or preparing for a tornado/wildfire/hurricane or other natural disaster or man made catastrophe...apparently it's "tough shit" and better luck next life.

Is this the best we can offer our neighbor?

That is pretty much my point.

Again, I apologize.

 

[candycorn]

The problem with your last can/300 can soup theory is that it can be the same thing. If I have 12 people to feed, we will go thru at least 3 cans a day to keep everyone alive. So 300 cans will last 100 days. If we start on Halloween, the 300 cans would be finished on Feb. 8th. So any cans we gave away would hasten the demise of those I am supposed to protect.


But, as i said, I would happily give the woman and her child a ride back to their home. The system that you have such faith in will restore order soon.

So, just to be clear...

You would give them a ride home.
But if you had 300 cans of soup...you wouldn't give her any.

Is this what you're saying?

According to you, she wouldn't need my soup. The system will be back in short order.

And once again, whether i helped them would depend on the situation.

Ahh, okay. Thanks for demonstrating your level of concern.

 

[Rikurzhen]

So, just to be clear...

You would give them a ride home.
But if you had 300 cans of soup...you wouldn't give her any.

Is this what you're saying?

Look, we get it, you want everyone to be a communist and you're continually surprised when people inform you that they're not communists.

You need a new gimmick in this thread.

 

[MeBelle]

Saw this yesterday:

When the collapse comes, God Willing, I will be ready. And when yhou knock on my door for help , the answer is 'Go **** yourself'

I'm just curious; you preppers out there who insist the world is coming to an end and are arming yourself to wart off the hordes of people coming for you Cocoa Puffs...are you going to tell your neighbor "Go **** yourself" if they knock on your door?

Don't know about the rest of the stuff, but personally I will

proudly withhold

wearing a bra

 

[candycorn]

Just out of curiosity...

Are you going to slaughter your kid's pets when the collapse comes? I can't picture you guys taking them into the secure undisclosed location with you....right?

 

[WinterBorn]

So, just to be clear...

You would give them a ride home.
But if you had 300 cans of soup...you wouldn't give her any.

Is this what you're saying?

According to you, she wouldn't need my soup. The system will be back in short order.

And once again, whether i helped them would depend on the situation.

Ahh, okay. Thanks for demonstrating your level of concern.

You seem to be laboring under the misconception that, regardless of the situation, everyone can be saved. In reality, there are situations in which not everyone can be saved. To ignore this will likely doom more.

If your "I help everyone" pollyanna idea helps you sleep, then so be it. I prefer to deal with the reality of what CAN happen. And I am willing to take responsibility for the choices that will be made.

If at all possible, I will help as many people as I can. I have done so my entire life. And many times it was at great peril to my own life or discomfort for my efforts.

But you attitude of "you are willing to murder people out of greed" is misplaced. But then, since, on the one hand you have faith that the system will not fail, and on the other hand you berate us for what we do when the system fails, I suppose you have an advantage.

But if you were in charge of stored food that would feed 10 people for 6 months, and you found yourself facing 30 people asking for help and you knew there was no other help for 6 months, you would either do as I have said I would do or you would condemn every single person in your care to a slow starvation. You should at least acknowledge the validity of what others have said here. It may not be pretty, but it is accurate.

 

[WinterBorn]

Just out of curiosity...

Are you going to slaughter your kid's pets when the collapse comes? I can't picture you guys taking them into the secure undisclosed location with you....right?

Since I am headed to a very rural area, their pets will be helpful.

 

[candycorn]

According to you, she wouldn't need my soup. The system will be back in short order.

And once again, whether i helped them would depend on the situation.

Ahh, okay. Thanks for demonstrating your level of concern.

You seem to be laboring under the misconception that, regardless of the situation, everyone can be saved. In reality, there are situations in which not everyone can be saved. To ignore this will likely doom more.

If your "I help everyone" pollyanna idea helps you sleep, then so be it. I prefer to deal with the reality of what CAN happen. And I am willing to take responsibility for the choices that will be made.

I get it; you want to take care of your family first and you're not concerned about any one else.

Fine position to take.

It may not be pretty but that assessment is accurate. If that bothers you...well, you should re-calibrate your position.

 

[Mathbud1]

Ive said it a dozen times already...preparing isn't the issue. Gunning down someone asking for help is. See the first god-damned post for clarification. Christ.

We've leaned here that some people allegedly have 12-18 months worth of food and would still tell someone asking for help to go **** themselves and someone has deputized an 8 year old to basically tell someone to go take a hike during an emergency.

I'm dubious of all of the claims....I think that when the chips are down, your humanity takes over. Yes, if you're down to your last can of soup, you feed your family with it before you offer anyone else a spoonful. When you have 300 cans of soup? Uhh...you're sick if you don't share IMHO.


It is sort of telling--from a political viewpoint--that those who don't give two shits for their fellow Americans seem to be the ones who have lost five of the last six popular votes in national elections.

I was responding
to your specific words in that specific post. Don't want me to respond to your words? Don't write them.

" Again, where I have a problem is with this crazy mentality that everyone should be prepared for anything at all times..."

My apology but I still don't see where I said that you shouldn't prepare for unforeseen disasters.


As for the quotation above...
Perhaps understand the context????

The notion that if you're not prepping, you're leading a decadent lifestyle without a care in the world and are totally reliant on the government and expect them to supply your every need is false. People used to have pensions; the 401k has become the new pension. Eighty percent of full time workers have access to them (http://www.americanbenefitscouncil.org/documents2013/401k_stats.pdf). But almost all are market based unless you put it into treasuries and securities. For most Americans, this is it as far as employer retirement plans go. The markets will go south if there is a serious government collapse which will most likely be keyed by treasury instruments going south so you're screwed either way.

They are not FDIC insured. I know of no 401K that lets you keep money in the bank.

So the lady who has the 10 year old girl loses her life savings and is hungry. The same source says that 1/2 of all workers eligible for 401k's take advantage of them. Individual investors have no direct involvement in the collapse but somehow, since she wasn't planting crops in her backyard or preparing for a tornado/wildfire/hurricane or other natural disaster or man made catastrophe...apparently it's "tough shit" and better luck next life.

Is this the best we can offer our neighbor?

That is pretty much my point.

Again, I apologize.

I understand now, and there is no apology necessary.

But I couldn't let my three year old and two month old sons starve so I could feed someone else. Without knowing the full extent of the imagined crisis I can't say for sure how I'd act, but I bet it would be something like I normally do: cautiously.

 

[WinterBorn]

Ahh, okay. Thanks for demonstrating your level of concern.

You seem to be laboring under the misconception that, regardless of the situation, everyone can be saved. In reality, there are situations in which not everyone can be saved. To ignore this will likely doom more.

If your "I help everyone" pollyanna idea helps you sleep, then so be it. I prefer to deal with the reality of what CAN happen. And I am willing to take responsibility for the choices that will be made.

I get it; you want to take care of your family first and you're not concerned about any one else.

Fine position to take.

It may not be pretty but that assessment is accurate. If that bothers you...well, you should re-calibrate your position.

No, that is not accurate. You insist on saying I do not care about anyone else. And you do this based on only one fact, and that is that I would not share my stores if it meant my family would be endangered.

I want to take care of my family first. If I can do that and still help someone, I certainly will.

 

[WinterBorn]

I was responding
to your specific words in that specific post. Don't want me to respond to your words? Don't write them.

" Again, where I have a problem is with this crazy mentality that everyone should be prepared for anything at all times..."

My apology but I still don't see where I said that you shouldn't prepare for unforeseen disasters.


As for the quotation above...
Perhaps understand the context????

The notion that if you're not prepping, you're leading a decadent lifestyle without a care in the world and are totally reliant on the government and expect them to supply your every need is false. People used to have pensions; the 401k has become the new pension. Eighty percent of full time workers have access to them (http://www.americanbenefitscouncil.org/documents2013/401k_stats.pdf). But almost all are market based unless you put it into treasuries and securities. For most Americans, this is it as far as employer retirement plans go. The markets will go south if there is a serious government collapse which will most likely be keyed by treasury instruments going south so you're screwed either way.

They are not FDIC insured. I know of no 401K that lets you keep money in the bank.

So the lady who has the 10 year old girl loses her life savings and is hungry. The same source says that 1/2 of all workers eligible for 401k's take advantage of them. Individual investors have no direct involvement in the collapse but somehow, since she wasn't planting crops in her backyard or preparing for a tornado/wildfire/hurricane or other natural disaster or man made catastrophe...apparently it's "tough shit" and better luck next life.

Is this the best we can offer our neighbor?

That is pretty much my point.

Again, I apologize.

I understand now, and there is no apology necessary.

But I couldn't let my three year old and two month old sons starve so I could feed someone else. Without knowing the full extent of the imagined crisis I can't say for sure how I'd act, but I bet it would be something like I normally do: cautiously.

In other words, whether you help someone else would depend on the situation.

 

[MikeK]

Therein lies the flaw in prepping, if collapse happens (I don't think it will) it will not be a lone liberal knocking at your door it will be an armed gang and they will have what you have. Better to be mobile than tied to a stockpile.

Do you mean mobile as in an RV?

I think the best situation would be a remote, well-situated, spacious, well-stocked, defensible stronghold inhabited by capable, compatible, well-armed people and a kennel filled with large, vicious attack dogs. Prepping such a situation would require adequate wealth and persistent, systematic planning.

Without wealth it will be impossible to obtain the things needed to prep for long-term survival if one has no choice but to remain in the U.S. Those with considerable wealth probably have well established plans to leave the U.S. by private jet and to live comfortably elsewhere.

 

[WinterBorn]

Therein lies the flaw in prepping, if collapse happens (I don't think it will) it will not be a lone liberal knocking at your door it will be an armed gang and they will have what you have. Better to be mobile than tied to a stockpile.

Do you mean mobile as in an RV?

I think the best situation would be a remote, well-situated, spacious, well-stocked, defensible stronghold inhabited by capable, compatible, well-armed people and a kennel filled with large, vicious attack dogs. Prepping such a situation would require adequate wealth and persistent, systematic planning.

Without wealth it will be impossible to obtain the things needed to prep for long-term survival if one has no choice but to remain in the U.S. Those with considerable wealth probably have well established plans to leave the U.S. by private jet and to live comfortably elsewhere.

I disagree on several counts.

First, I don't think significant wealth is required. My friends in the rural area where I hve my land are quite capable of surviving and none of them have any big money. If anything, they have less. This is why the know how to hunt, fish, garden, handle livestock ect.

As for the kennel filled with large, vicious attack dogs, I am not sure how much advantage that would be. First off, that would require a significant amount of dog food and veterinary equipment and skills. Second, attacks dogs are not difficult to deal with if you know they are there. They are too easy to poison.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Let answer you LOLiberals in another way:

Proverbs 1:

Wisdom crieth without; she uttereth her voice in the streets:

21.
She crieth in the chief place of concourse, in the openings of the gates: in the city she uttereth her words, saying,

22.
How long, you simple ones, will you love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?

23.
Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.

24.
Because I have called, and you refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;

25.
But you have set at nothing all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:

26.
I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;

27.
When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.

28.
Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:

29.
For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the Lord:

30.
They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.

31.
Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

So, just to be clear...

You would give them a ride home.
But if you had 300 cans of soup...you wouldn't give her any.

Is this what you're saying?

Look, we get it, you want everyone to be a communist and you're continually surprised when people inform you that they're not communists.

You need a new gimmick in this thread.

Apparently [MENTION=20614]candycorn[/MENTION] thinks all of us Preppers are Jesus and can do miracles by feeding entire cities with a loaf of bread. I am proud that [MENTION=20614]candycorn[/MENTION] thinks so highly of us [MENTION=50157]Rikurzhen[/MENTION]

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Just out of curiosity...

Are you going to slaughter your kid's pets when the collapse comes? I can't picture you guys taking them into the secure undisclosed location with you....right?

My German Shepards will be assets when SHTF, not liabilities.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

I think the best situation would be a remote, well-situated, spacious, well-stocked, defensible stronghold inhabited by capable, compatible, well-armed people and a kennel filled with large, vicious attack dogs. Prepping such a situation would require adequate wealth and persistent, systematic planning.

If you live out in the suburbs of Long Island, it's best to know all the nearby Gun Owners in your immediate neighborhood. Put together a well patrolled perimeter. The way we plan to deal with non-gun owners is as follows:

In a "minor" SHTF scenario, like a natural disaster, help as many as you can, the Government will eventually restore law and order and private charities from around the nation will come to your aide.

In a major SHTF scenario, like a terrorist attack on the power grid, or a Dollar Crash, there will be no Government for many months, possibly even years, and millions will starve. Forcibly evict all non gun owners, because if you don't they'll conspire to murder you in your sleep for your stores.

Use the materials from their homes to repair your homes and build basic walls and defensive structures. Use their property to plant crops.

Also, make sure you the gun owners agree on Trial by Jury, this way there is some degree of Law and Popular Sovereignty even amongst yourselves. Kill any gun owner who disagrees with Jury Trials --- this person craves to be a local Tyrant.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Kill any gun owner who disagrees with Jury Trials --- this person craves to be a local Tyrant.

Now that's funny. Bravo.