When the Collapse Comes...

[Rikurzhen]

I like your real life question Rikurzhen as I think that your example has happened many times in maritime history .

Candycorn certainly didn't like the question, hence the neg she sent my way.

 

[Spoonman]

I didn't know "it depends " was yours. I seem to recall it being said a few times.

It's weak. Sorry; but it is.

If that is your position; fine I suppose. You'll have to live with it and explain to your kids why you condemned their schoolmate to death (possibly). Hint: You won't be able to justify it to your kid or your Lord. Ever.

Again, where I have a problem is with this crazy mentality that everyone should be prepared for anything at all times and if they aren't...well, they are worthless and weak.

Nobody said you have to be prepared for anything all the time. Why do you have a problem with people who have the means to prepare for some things and do so? Is it better to not prepare for anything at all? Give up on all preparations?

Are you going to get rid of the spare tire in your car? Don't bother taking a first aid kit when hiking?

Ive said it a dozen times already...preparing isn't the issue. Gunning down someone asking for help is. See the first god-damned post for clarification. Christ.

We've leaned here that some people allegedly have 12-18 months worth of food and would still tell someone asking for help to go **** themselves and someone has deputized an 8 year old to basically tell someone to go take a hike during an emergency.

I'm dubious of all of the claims....I think that when the chips are down, your humanity takes over. Yes, if you're down to your last can of soup, you feed your family with it before you offer anyone else a spoonful. When you have 300 cans of soup? Uhh...you're sick if you don't share IMHO.


It is sort of telling--from a political viewpoint--that those who don't give two shits for their fellow Americans seem to be the ones who have lost five of the last six popular votes in national elections.

so what are you going to do when the government isn't their to give you your hand out? when he shelves on the market are bare? when you turn your tap on and nothing? when your turn your thermostat up and nothing?

 

[pismoe]

ANYONE can vote so its popular elections Candy plus lots of FREE STUFF that are voted for and bought with other peoples money . Examples would be Obamacare 'mandates' Candy , obamaphones , food stamps and much more !!

 

[Rikurzhen]

When you have 300 cans of soup? Uhh...you're sick if you don't share IMHO.

True communism reveals itself at last.

Look, if matters are so dire that I'm turning people away then that action gives me freedom later to accept others, others who are more valuable, have something to trade, have something to offer.

The need of the mother and child is not my problem, my problem is to keep my family alive and to offer assistance when I choose to offer it.

Did I miss your announcement elsewhere on this board that you're opening your home to some of those cute, 17 year old, tatted up, Mexican boys who just arrived here in the US? Say 6 of them to keep you company? With no expectation on your part for any subsidy from government.

Why don't you show all of us who are in the wrong the right way - report back to us about your experience living with 6 gangbangers.

 

[candycorn]

When you have 300 cans of soup? Uhh...you're sick if you don't share IMHO.

True communism reveals itself at last.

Look, if matters are so dire that I'm turning people away then that action gives me freedom later to accept others, others who are more valuable, have something to trade, have something to offer.

The need of the mother and child is not my problem, my problem is to keep my family alive and to offer assistance when I choose to offer it.

Did I miss your announcement elsewhere on this board that you're opening your home to some of those cute, 17 year old, tatted up, Mexican boys who just arrived here in the US? Say 6 of them to keep you company? With no expectation on your part for any subsidy from government.

Why don't you show all of us who are in the wrong the right way - report back to us about your experience living with 6 gangbangers.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I just hope candycornholed is indicative of the attitude of the majority of libs.
Talk about your easy pickens!! I'd have her in chains so fast she wouldnt know what hit her.
I hope your good at tending my garden and washing my clothes...if not I suspect you'll improve if you want to eat.
If it turns out you just cant manage to work? I could always rent you out.

 

[Rikurzhen]

So, how goes your adventure living with those 6 gangbangers you took into your home. Do share.

 

[Mathbud1]

I didn't know "it depends " was yours. I seem to recall it being said a few times.

It's weak. Sorry; but it is.

If that is your position; fine I suppose. You'll have to live with it and explain to your kids why you condemned their schoolmate to death (possibly). Hint: You won't be able to justify it to your kid or your Lord. Ever.

Again, where I have a problem is with this crazy mentality that everyone should be prepared for anything at all times and if they aren't...well, they are worthless and weak.

Nobody said you have to be prepared for anything all the time. Why do you have a problem with people who have the means to prepare for some things and do so? Is it better to not prepare for anything at all? Give up on all preparations?

Are you going to get rid of the spare tire in your car? Don't bother taking a first aid kit when hiking?

Ive said it a dozen times already...preparing isn't the issue. Gunning down someone asking for help is. See the first god-damned post for clarification. Christ.

We've leaned here that some people allegedly have 12-18 months worth of food and would still tell someone asking for help to go **** themselves and someone has deputized an 8 year old to basically tell someone to go take a hike during an emergency.

I'm dubious of all of the claims....I think that when the chips are down, your humanity takes over. Yes, if you're down to your last can of soup, you feed your family with it before you offer anyone else a spoonful. When you have 300 cans of soup? Uhh...you're sick if you don't share IMHO.


It is sort of telling--from a political viewpoint--that those who don't give two shits for their fellow Americans seem to be the ones who have lost five of the last six popular votes in national elections.

I was responding to your specific words in that specific post. Don't want me to respond to your words? Don't write them.

" Again, where I have a problem is with this crazy mentality that everyone should be prepared for anything at all times..."

 

[The2ndAmendment]

We've leaned here that some people allegedly have 12-18 months worth of food and would still tell someone asking for help to go **** themselves and someone has deputized an 8 year old to basically tell someone to go take a hike during an emergency.

[MENTION=20614]candycorn[/MENTION]

Let me show you something, and then demonstrate why it relates to your question.

1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1042, 2048, 4096, 16192, 32384...

Ok, why powers of 2?

Suppose I have 12 months worth of food for myself. I decide to share it with one other person.

Now I have 6 months of food (12/2).

Now suppose it's just me and my girlfriend (12/2 = 6 months), and now a Mother and Child come looking for food, I decide to share with them. Now I have 4 people.

12/4 = 3 months.

Now suppose it's my grandmother, mother, me, my girlfriend, my sister, and my girlfriend's son. THIS IS MY MOST LIKELY SCENARIO. Suppose I have 18 months of food for ONE person, I'm already down to 18/6 = 3 months of food for all six of us.

But wait, now the random mother and child come. Now I'm down to 18/8 = 2 months and 1 week of food!!! I'm now have 33% less time to find more food!

But wait, let's say a roaming band of 8 more people show up (and they are peaceful, which is actually quite unlikely when SHTF). Now I have 18/16 months of food. Barely more than a month for all of these folks!

Now say these 8 people are just the vanguard foragers, they go and invite 16-48 other people they know to come share the food.

Now I'm down to 18/32 or worse 18/64 months of food. Shit I'll barely even get two weeks!

So if I share my food, we'll all die in two weeks. If I don't share my food, they'll all die anyway, but at least I'll still be alive. And this is why it parallels to the LIFEBOAT scenario.

Now G-d forbid when SHTF just starts and I share my food with an unprepared neighbor. They go and tell the other 4096 unprepared neighbors that I have 18 months worth of food. Or approximately 500 days worth of food...

They all come and now I have 500/4096 days worth of food, oh right, now I don't even have enough food for TWO days.

Think with your brain not you emotions, and you won't be a LOLiberal anymore.

 

[Spoonman]

I didn't know "it depends " was yours. I seem to recall it being said a few times.

It's weak. Sorry; but it is.

If that is your position; fine I suppose. You'll have to live with it and explain to your kids why you condemned their schoolmate to death (possibly). Hint: You won't be able to justify it to your kid or your Lord. Ever.

Again, where I have a problem is with this crazy mentality that everyone should be prepared for anything at all times and if they aren't...well, they are worthless and weak.

Nobody said you have to be prepared for anything all the time. Why do you have a problem with people who have the means to prepare for some things and do so? Is it better to not prepare for anything at all? Give up on all preparations?

Are you going to get rid of the spare tire in your car? Don't bother taking a first aid kit when hiking?

Ive said it a dozen times already...preparing isn't the issue. Gunning down someone asking for help is. See the first god-damned post for clarification. Christ.

We've leaned here that some people allegedly have 12-18 months worth of food and would still tell someone asking for help to go **** themselves and someone has deputized an 8 year old to basically tell someone to go take a hike during an emergency.

I'm dubious of all of the claims....I think that when the chips are down, your humanity takes over. Yes, if you're down to your last can of soup, you feed your family with it before you offer anyone else a spoonful. When you have 300 cans of soup? Uhh...you're sick if you don't share IMHO.


It is sort of telling--from a political viewpoint--that those who don't give two shits for their fellow Americans seem to be the ones who have lost five of the last six popular votes in national elections.

well maybe those who will find themselves without better get a little foresight and stop mocking those that prepare. Because when the shit hits the fan, the spreading of the wealth is going to stop.

 

[M.D. Rawlings]

I didn't know "it depends " was yours. I seem to recall it being said a few times.

It's weak. Sorry; but it is.

If that is your position; fine I suppose. You'll have to live with it and explain to your kids why you condemned their schoolmate to death (possibly). Hint: You won't be able to justify it to your kid or your Lord. Ever.

Again, where I have a problem is with this crazy mentality that everyone should be prepared for anything at all times and if they aren't...well, they are worthless and weak.

Nobody said you have to be prepared for anything all the time. Why do you have a problem with people who have the means to prepare for some things and do so? Is it better to not prepare for anything at all? Give up on all preparations?

Are you going to get rid of the spare tire in your car? Don't bother taking a first aid kit when hiking?

Ive said it a dozen times already...preparing isn't the issue. Gunning down someone asking for help is. See the first god-damned post for clarification. Christ.

We've leaned here that some people allegedly have 12-18 months worth of food and would still tell someone asking for help to go **** themselves and someone has deputized an 8 year old to basically tell someone to go take a hike during an emergency.

I'm dubious of all of the claims....I think that when the chips are down, your humanity takes over. Yes, if you're down to your last can of soup, you feed your family with it before you offer anyone else a spoonful. When you have 300 cans of soup? Uhh...you're sick if you don't share IMHO.


It is sort of telling--from a political viewpoint--that those who don't give two shits for their fellow Americans seem to be the ones who have lost five of the last six popular votes in national elections.

I'm getting a wet, snot-stained hanky feelin' here.

Now, don't get me wrong. I'm a Christian. I wouldn't shoot ya, and I would feed ya. And that's because I ain't livin' like an animal just to survive. I'd rather be dead than sell out on my dignity. But that's me. As for my woman and children, well, now, that's something else altogether. I got responsibilities there, and a stockpile of food is a stockpile of time for them, not an empty shelf in no time flat for them. Mathematics. But this notion of yours that one's humanity would take over, well, that's the last thing any sensible person wants around in the midst of a crisis. Human nature is corrupt. Don't you know that? How could you not know that? What you want around are folks who rise above human nature. Folks who are prepared and capable of making the tough decisions. You want conservatives around, not leftists—all sentimental emotionalism and no sense. They're the truly dangerous ones.

Some of these folks are pullin' on your leg. They wouldn't rob or kill to survive because they'd just as soon be dead and might as well be dead after such doings, but they ain't kiddin' about puttin' their families first, and rightly so.

By the way, check out the film The Road.

 

[M.D. Rawlings]

Ah, looky there! Just noticed. 2nd laid the power of 2s on ya and the communicable virus of the mob. See. Mathematics.

 

[R.C. Christian]

I don't really believe in rapture but I believe your assessment of tribulation is is probably correct. And I'm not Christian. I'm too mean.

I noticed that, but your wit redeems your meanness . . . sort of.

It gets me in trouble more often than not, but I'm a big fan of Christians even though I don't believe I can be one, which is unfortunate.

And since I'm a glass half full kind of guy, the good news is while I'm in hell I'll get to tell Ted Kennedy what I think of his murdering $*%&@.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

I didn't know "it depends " was yours. I seem to recall it being said a few times.

It's weak. Sorry; but it is.

If that is your position; fine I suppose. You'll have to live with it and explain to your kids why you condemned their schoolmate to death (possibly). Hint: You won't be able to justify it to your kid or your Lord. Ever.

Again, where I have a problem is with this crazy mentality that everyone should be prepared for anything at all times and if they aren't...well, they are worthless and weak.

Nobody said you have to be prepared for anything all the time. Why do you have a problem with people who have the means to prepare for some things and do so? Is it better to not prepare for anything at all? Give up on all preparations?

Are you going to get rid of the spare tire in your car? Don't bother taking a first aid kit when hiking?

Ive said it a dozen times already...preparing isn't the issue. Gunning down someone asking for help is. See the first god-damned post for clarification. Christ.

We've leaned here that some people allegedly have 12-18 months worth of food and would still tell someone asking for help to go **** themselves and someone has deputized an 8 year old to basically tell someone to go take a hike during an emergency.

I'm dubious of all of the claims....I think that when the chips are down, your humanity takes over. Yes, if you're down to your last can of soup, you feed your family with it before you offer anyone else a spoonful. When you have 300 cans of soup? Uhh...you're sick if you don't share IMHO.


It is sort of telling--from a political viewpoint--that those who don't give two shits for their fellow Americans seem to be the ones who have lost five of the last six popular votes in national elections.

The what you call popular vote is what will directly cause the meltdown. We now have the magical 50%+ voting for handouts at the expense of those providing the handouts. The popular vote is always the downfall of the socialist system. Eventually you don't have enough to give away and those you counted on providing cease to do so choosing rather to join the freeloaders in the government hand out's.

You're winning elections...but speeding toward the failure you hope someone else will bail you out of. It doesn't work like that. Read some history.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Think with your brain not you emotions, and you won't be a LOLiberal anymore.

You know what really scary about the entire episode that played out in this thread? Candycorn can vote. And people wonder why the nation is being flushed down the toilet.

 

[pismoe]

its a good thread though , one of the better threads in my short time here on USMB imo . Reminds me of fighting , arguing with those English wankers that I used to talk to . They were nice guys except they couldn't see wot was happening to England as it was happening right in front of their eyes .

 

[pismoe]

as far as voting , think what happens when the coming amnesty happens .

 

[candycorn]

I don't really believe in rapture but I believe your assessment of tribulation is is probably correct. And I'm not Christian. I'm too mean.

I noticed that, but your wit redeems your meanness . . . sort of.

It gets me in trouble more often than not, but I'm a big fan of Christians even though I don't believe I can be one, which is unfortunate.

And since I'm a glass half full kind of guy, the good news is while I'm in hell I'll get to tell Ted Kennedy what I think of his murdering $*%&@.

I don't think Christianity has anything to do with it. Humanity should however.

 

[candycorn]

Nobody said you have to be prepared for anything all the time. Why do you have a problem with people who have the means to prepare for some things and do so? Is it better to not prepare for anything at all? Give up on all preparations?

Are you going to get rid of the spare tire in your car? Don't bother taking a first aid kit when hiking?

Ive said it a dozen times already...preparing isn't the issue. Gunning down someone asking for help is. See the first god-damned post for clarification. Christ.

We've leaned here that some people allegedly have 12-18 months worth of food and would still tell someone asking for help to go **** themselves and someone has deputized an 8 year old to basically tell someone to go take a hike during an emergency.

I'm dubious of all of the claims....I think that when the chips are down, your humanity takes over. Yes, if you're down to your last can of soup, you feed your family with it before you offer anyone else a spoonful. When you have 300 cans of soup? Uhh...you're sick if you don't share IMHO.


It is sort of telling--from a political viewpoint--that those who don't give two shits for their fellow Americans seem to be the ones who have lost five of the last six popular votes in national elections.

The what you call popular vote is what will directly cause the meltdown. We now have the magical 50%+ voting for handouts at the expense of those providing the handouts. The popular vote is always the downfall of the socialist system. Eventually you don't have enough to give away and those you counted on providing cease to do so choosing rather to join the freeloaders in the government hand out's.

You're winning elections...but speeding toward the failure you hope someone else will bail you out of. It doesn't work like that. Read some history.

Oh shut the **** up.

When was the last time a GOP President cut the budget??? Probably before my lifetime.

 

[WinterBorn]

I didn't know "it depends " was yours. I seem to recall it being said a few times.

It's weak. Sorry; but it is.

If that is your position; fine I suppose. You'll have to live with it and explain to your kids why you condemned their schoolmate to death (possibly). Hint: You won't be able to justify it to your kid or your Lord. Ever.

Again, where I have a problem is with this crazy mentality that everyone should be prepared for anything at all times and if they aren't...well, they are worthless and weak.

Nobody said you have to be prepared for anything all the time. Why do you have a problem with people who have the means to prepare for some things and do so? Is it better to not prepare for anything at all? Give up on all preparations?

Are you going to get rid of the spare tire in your car? Don't bother taking a first aid kit when hiking?

Ive said it a dozen times already...preparing isn't the issue. Gunning down someone asking for help is. See the first god-damned post for clarification. Christ.

We've leaned here that some people allegedly have 12-18 months worth of food and would still tell someone asking for help to go **** themselves and someone has deputized an 8 year old to basically tell someone to go take a hike during an emergency.

I'm dubious of all of the claims....I think that when the chips are down, your humanity takes over. Yes, if you're down to your last can of soup, you feed your family with it before you offer anyone else a spoonful. When you have 300 cans of soup? Uhh...you're sick if you don't share IMHO.


It is sort of telling--from a political viewpoint--that those who don't give two shits for their fellow Americans seem to be the ones who have lost five of the last six popular votes in national elections.

The problem with your last can/300 can soup theory is that it can be the same thing. If I have 12 people to feed, we will go thru at least 3 cans a day to keep everyone alive. So 300 cans will last 100 days. If we start on Halloween, the 300 cans would be finished on Feb. 8th. So any cans we gave away would hasten the demise of those I am supposed to protect.


But, as i said, I would happily give the woman and her child a ride back to their home. The system that you have such faith in will restore order soon.