When the Collapse Comes...

[pismoe]

I don't know , I can only guess Shelia . I do know that the elites and bigwigs will be provided for though . So , best for the commoners like me to provide for themselves the best that they can .

 

[WinterBorn]

Also, it's worthy of mentioning that--hell, just by reading the posts here--when you start trying to organize fellow gun nuts into a cohesive unit, the first thing cletus is going to ask is "Who made you boss?"

This is where the cartoonish fantasies come into play. That somehow, you and your MP10 will gain followers and you'll be some sort of modern day Moses leading people to the promised land and anyone who is "unfortunate" enough to not be in the group better fear for their lives.

Yeah....

You've got some issues with leadership it seems. I don't know if it's pure ignorance or just a very warped view you have of people that don't agree with you, but you might want to take some time and actually get to know people a little more.

No sonny,

I just grew up in the South and know the genus red-neck better than most. The idea that someone would be able to organize them into a soccer team would be easier than the idea that you'd take an armed red-neck and convince him that he's not the leader. This is why red-necks love their guns; it equalizes them in a way that economics does not, in a way that society does not, and in a way that academia certainly has not. It's the same thing religion does; it places you on a pedestal when all other tenants of modern society do not. If you were to look at the Bible belt and super impose the areas that had the most weaponry, the two would mirror one another with the exception of the west where there is a much more legitimate need for weaponry.


As the recognized leader of the Logistics section of our healthcare system, I certainly don't have an issue with leadership...that is humorous in the extreme. If you only knew.

What I was saying is that when you try to form some sort of make-shift survivalist clan and say, "Charlie, I'll stay here in the house; take you and your kid and go patrol the neighborhood and report back to me" Charlie is going to wonder why you get to stay in the house and he and junior are put in harm's way.

I am a lifelong southerner, and proud of it. Funny that you try to demean the redencks, and claim to know them. They can't be organized? Southern rednecks (I add "southern" because I have seen redneck almost every where) are very likely to also be veterans. I think they managed to accept leadership while serving. But since you choose to specifically demean Cletus, I will have to ask you which one he is, as far as our group goes. Is Cletus the plant worker? If so, Cletus did 2 tours in the US Marine Corp, reads science fiction like it's going out of style, plays mandolin in 2 blue grass bands, and was a foreman at a local cabinet manufacturing plant. Or is Cletus the fire fighter? If so, he has worked summers out west for the last 5 or 6 years fighting wild fires, has a wife and 3 kids (kids are honor roll students), owns a significant chunk of land he paid for with the wages of a fireman. Or is Cletus the farmer? If so, Cletus is retired from the US Navy (submarine service, like me), grew up in the area but joined the Navy at 18, took over his father's farm when his dad died in the mid-90s which he turned into a moderately successful organic farm. Or is Cletus the mechanic? If so, he learned his craft from his dad, has been known to fix cars for nothing, so people can have a way to & from work, is a deacon in his church, has a wife and 2 little girls that he adores, and raises quarter horses. Or is Cletus the grouchy old fart that retired from the US Postal service, has published 4 novels, 1 collection of poems, and repairs guitars and other stringed instruments as a hobby?


You see, you like to make judgements about people without knowing them. These are the guys I met when I moved to the rural area in east central Alabama back in 2001. None of them look like anything remarkable. All of them deer hunt, farm and like to sit around a campfire drinking a beer. All of them own a pickup truck or a Jeep. And every one of them would be the people who stopped on the side of the road to help you if your car broke down or you had an accident. All of them are will be right up front when there are calls for donations to help people they don't know who suffered a tornado, hurricane or earthquake's wrath.

You think you know "rednecks"? I think you simply like to look down your nose at people, without actually knowing them at all.

 

[asterism]

Also, it's worthy of mentioning that--hell, just by reading the posts here--when you start trying to organize fellow gun nuts into a cohesive unit, the first thing cletus is going to ask is "Who made you boss?"

This is where the cartoonish fantasies come into play. That somehow, you and your MP10 will gain followers and you'll be some sort of modern day Moses leading people to the promised land and anyone who is "unfortunate" enough to not be in the group better fear for their lives.

Yeah....

You've got some issues with leadership it seems. I don't know if it's pure ignorance or just a very warped view you have of people that don't agree with you, but you might want to take some time and actually get to know people a little more.

No sonny,

I just grew up in the South and know the genus red-neck better than most. The idea that someone would be able to organize them into a soccer team would be easier than the idea that you'd take an armed red-neck and convince him that he's not the leader. This is why red-necks love their guns; it equalizes them in a way that economics does not, in a way that society does not, and in a way that academia certainly has not. It's the same thing religion does; it places you on a pedestal when all other tenants of modern society do not. If you were to look at the Bible belt and super impose the areas that had the most weaponry, the two would mirror one another with the exception of the west where there is a much more legitimate need for weaponry.


As the recognized leader of the Logistics section of our healthcare system, I certainly don't have an issue with leadership...that is humorous in the extreme. If you only knew.

What I was saying is that when you try to form some sort of make-shift survivalist clan and say, "Charlie, I'll stay here in the house; take you and your kid and go patrol the neighborhood and report back to me" Charlie is going to wonder why you get to stay in the house and he and junior are put in harm's way.

My experience was different in the few scenarios where a local problem required armed security and neighbors taking care of each other. But then again I never interacted with anyone that actually had a problem with following a competent leader. It was more of a consensus and there was nobody ordering people around.

I was put in charge in one situation because I was the guy with the plan, the guns, and the ammo. Someone asked why I was leading instead of him and was told, "Because he stepped up. If you want to run things just tell him and he'll go back to hooking up generators." He came out to see me at the cross street and had some really good ideas. I told him that he was in charge of them and he declined. "Just knowing that you listen is good enough for me, what else can I do to help?"

You have some very inaccurate impressions that conflict with reality. We never had someone sitting at home telling others to go on patrol, the leader was the one who did the patrols and others asked what they could do to contribute. Patrols weren't always about security, either. Most of the time it was the visibility of someone talking to everyone, passing information back and forth, and checking to make sure nobody needed anything. Sure I was armed, but that was another gesture. "I'm walking the street ready to defend us so you don't have to do it all yourself."

 

[asterism]

No sonny,

I just grew up in the South and know the genus red-neck better than most. The idea that someone would be able to organize them into a soccer team would be easier than the idea that you'd take an armed red-neck and convince him that he's not the leader. This is why red-necks love their guns; it equalizes them in a way that economics does not, in a way that society does not, and in a way that academia certainly has not. It's the same thing religion does; it places you on a pedestal when all other tenants of modern society do not. If you were to look at the Bible belt and super impose the areas that had the most weaponry, the two would mirror one another with the exception of the west where there is a much more legitimate need for weaponry.


As the recognized leader of the Logistics section of our healthcare system, I certainly don't have an issue with leadership...that is humorous in the extreme. If you only knew.

What I was saying is that when you try to form some sort of make-shift survivalist clan and say, "Charlie, I'll stay here in the house; take you and your kid and go patrol the neighborhood and report back to me" Charlie is going to wonder why you get to stay in the house and he and junior are put in harm's way.

Or perhaps, the need for leadership in such a situation is not as great as you think. The friends I have discussed this with are all planning to take care of themselves. Yes, we have skills that the group needs. But we do not need to be told to share them. Unlike what you have claimed, it is not every-man-for-himself.

There is no need for us to have one person in charge. We will all be busy trying to make sure we survive. Some of that work will be group efforts and some will be individual work.

Leadership? No.
Direction? Yes.

Not one and the same.

I've been trained in this for approximately ten years by FEMA and the National Fire Academy.TEEX, and even took courses offered by the USCG in search and rescue and the special types of trauma survivors undergo...

Every scenario taught in any of these classes had an incident commander directing the response.

Your mileage may vary. Good luck getting Cletus to submit to your authority.

FEMA teaches good bureaucracy. No wonder you're so clueless about neighborhoods taking care of themselves effectively. When Cletus decides to take over he'll be quickly judged on how good he is. If he's good, that frees someone else up for other needed tasks. If he sucks, he'll quickly learn that nobody wants to do what he tells them to do and will be replaced.

You've never done this for real so you can be excused for having the elitist view you have, but that doesn't make your analysis accurate.

 

[RandallFlagg]

A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.

-Robert A. Heinlein

Most men had those abilities up until the late 20th Century. We, as a species, became complacent and fat.

As a kid, I grew up spending summers on my GrandFather's dairy farm. Get up BEFORE the sun, work all day, eat like a pig and relax on the porch until sunset - then hit the bed and do it all again the next day.

Bringing in crops, feeding the livestock, slaughtering meat, smoking meat, hunting, fishing, learning how to stalk - learning how to PROPERLY use a weapon - boys in that time were raised that way.


Girls learned how to sew, mend, can, treat, heal and cook. They learned how to tend truck gardens, bring in the herbs and vegetables and what to do with them. My Sister could make you a complete suit of clothes when she was 12 years old. She is one of the finest cooks I have ever had the pleasure of enjoying one of her meals. OUTSTANDING!

This is what young ladies learned back then. What do they learn now? How to "keep up" with the Kardashians. What a waste.

Our Grandparents and our folks never knew this concept of a "grocery store" with the exception of lightbulbs. toliet paper and the like. They MIGHT hit the Kroger - once every couple of months. Hell, why buy canned goods when I can do it myself!?!?!

My, how times have changed. Most people these days, wouldn't last a week if they had to fend for themselves...and that is terribly sad....

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Or perhaps, the need for leadership in such a situation is not as great as you think. The friends I have discussed this with are all planning to take care of themselves. Yes, we have skills that the group needs. But we do not need to be told to share them. Unlike what you have claimed, it is not every-man-for-himself.

There is no need for us to have one person in charge. We will all be busy trying to make sure we survive. Some of that work will be group efforts and some will be individual work.

Leadership? No.
Direction? Yes.

Not one and the same.

I've been trained in this for approximately ten years by FEMA and the National Fire Academy.TEEX, and even took courses offered by the USCG in search and rescue and the special types of trauma survivors undergo...

Every scenario taught in any of these classes had an incident commander directing the response.

Your mileage may vary. Good luck getting Cletus to submit to your authority.

FEMA teaches good bureaucracy. No wonder you're so clueless about neighborhoods taking care of themselves effectively. When Cletus decides to take over he'll be quickly judged on how good he is. If he's good, that frees someone else up for other needed tasks. If he sucks, he'll quickly learn that nobody wants to do what he tells them to do and will be replaced.

You've never done this for real so you can be excused for having the elitist view you have, but that doesn't make your analysis accurate.

I think we need to look a little deeper into candycorns aversion to Cletus and those of us with a penis.
She cant stand the fact that a man would tell her to pound sand if she tried to throw her weight around. And the idea that he's better prepared and better suited to surviving such an ordeal sticks in her craw. Hell,maybe it's already happened and thats why she's so testy...pun intended.

 

[pismoe]

yeah , my DAD was like that RANDALL and he and my MOM taught me to cook at 7 - 8 , mostly showed how simple cooking was like frying eggs , cooking meat . I also learned sewing and other girly arts which really aren't just for girls . Complacent and fat to some extent but also engineered in my opinion . Where did shop class and home economics go and why did they go ?? I think home economics went so as to drive people to restraunts and the eating business [economy] with its high fat and sugar content which then is said to make kids fat so then healthcare gets more customers and gov agents [another industry] gets to step in and tell people how to feed their kids . [whew , farfetched ehh ?]

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Saw this yesterday:

When the collapse comes, God Willing, I will be ready. And when yhou knock on my door for help , the answer is 'Go **** yourself'

I'm just curious; you preppers out there who insist the world is coming to an end and are arming yourself to wart off the hordes of people coming for you Cocoa Puffs...are you going to tell your neighbor "Go **** yourself" if they knock on your door?

GO **** YOUR SELF


good nuff?

 

[pismoe]

and GRID was talked about , does anyone live off grid ?? I know some that do and their lifestyle is not that different than people that are on the grid . With the new electronics , storage batteries , generators and other ways of making electric power their lives look pretty good .

 

[Rikurzhen]

I think we need to look a little deeper into candycorns aversion to Cletus and those of us with a penis.
She cant stand the fact that a man would tell her to pound sand if she tried to throw her weight around. And the idea that he's better prepared and better suited to surviving such an ordeal sticks in her craw. Hell,maybe it's already happened and thats why she's so testy...pun intended.

This could be an interesting thread off-shoot - what happens to the role of liberated women in the event of a partial or complete societal breakdown?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I think we need to look a little deeper into candycorns aversion to Cletus and those of us with a penis.
She cant stand the fact that a man would tell her to pound sand if she tried to throw her weight around. And the idea that he's better prepared and better suited to surviving such an ordeal sticks in her craw. Hell,maybe it's already happened and thats why she's so testy...pun intended.

This could be an interesting thread off-shoot - what happens to the role of liberated women in the event of a partial or complete societal breakdown?

The only thing we can be sure of...? It won't be pretty. Which coincidentally happens to be candycorns problem....at least socially.

 

[WinterBorn]

I think we need to look a little deeper into candycorns aversion to Cletus and those of us with a penis.
She cant stand the fact that a man would tell her to pound sand if she tried to throw her weight around. And the idea that he's better prepared and better suited to surviving such an ordeal sticks in her craw. Hell,maybe it's already happened and thats why she's so testy...pun intended.

This could be an interesting thread off-shoot - what happens to the role of liberated women in the event of a partial or complete societal breakdown?

Probably not that much different. I doubt that a societal collapse will result in women returning to the "barefoot & pregnant" days, or being expected to stay in the kitchen and wait on the man.

My gf is one of the best shots I know. And I see more and more women at the shooting ranges. They'll be able to hold their own.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

So lets recap:

Liberals love fags, illegals, antiwar protestors, occupy Wallstreet types, communists, welfare leeches, Democrat women & blacks.

But pretty much judge & hate everyone else.

 

[candycorn]

Or perhaps, the need for leadership in such a situation is not as great as you think. The friends I have discussed this with are all planning to take care of themselves. Yes, we have skills that the group needs. But we do not need to be told to share them. Unlike what you have claimed, it is not every-man-for-himself.

There is no need for us to have one person in charge. We will all be busy trying to make sure we survive. Some of that work will be group efforts and some will be individual work.

Leadership? No.
Direction? Yes.

Not one and the same.

I've been trained in this for approximately ten years by FEMA and the National Fire Academy.TEEX, and even took courses offered by the USCG in search and rescue and the special types of trauma survivors undergo...

Every scenario taught in any of these classes had an incident commander directing the response.

Your mileage may vary. Good luck getting Cletus to submit to your authority.

FEMA teaches good bureaucracy. No wonder you're so clueless about neighborhoods taking care of themselves effectively. When Cletus decides to take over he'll be quickly judged on how good he is. If he's good, that frees someone else up for other needed tasks. If he sucks, he'll quickly learn that nobody wants to do what he tells them to do and will be replaced.

You've never done this for real so you can be excused for having the elitist view you have, but that doesn't make your analysis accurate.

You certainly have zero idea about what FEMA teaches if that is your view.

Just a quick question...those without weapons are "useless"....right? That would mean that Cletus has guns. What if Cletus doesn't feel like being replaced just yet.

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Every successful response (including the real world ones I have taken part in) has had an incident commander directing the effort. Can you do it with several centers of power wasting resources and duplicating effort? No. Because both are in short supply during an emergency.

Anyway, the question was what would you do if faced with someone knocking on the door after a collapse. Can we assume we can put you in the "I've got mine, you get yours" column?

 

[Geaux4it]

Leadership? No.
Direction? Yes.

Not one and the same.

I've been trained in this for approximately ten years by FEMA and the National Fire Academy.TEEX, and even took courses offered by the USCG in search and rescue and the special types of trauma survivors undergo...

Every scenario taught in any of these classes had an incident commander directing the response.

Your mileage may vary. Good luck getting Cletus to submit to your authority.

FEMA teaches good bureaucracy. No wonder you're so clueless about neighborhoods taking care of themselves effectively. When Cletus decides to take over he'll be quickly judged on how good he is. If he's good, that frees someone else up for other needed tasks. If he sucks, he'll quickly learn that nobody wants to do what he tells them to do and will be replaced.

You've never done this for real so you can be excused for having the elitist view you have, but that doesn't make your analysis accurate.

You certainly have zero idea about what FEMA teaches if that is your view.

Just a quick question...those without weapons are "useless"....right? That would mean that Cletus has guns. What if Cletus doesn't feel like being replaced just yet.

----

Every successful response (including the real world ones I have taken part in) has had an incident commander directing the effort. Can you do it with several centers of power wasting resources and duplicating effort? No. Because both are in short supply during an emergency.

Anyway, the question was what would you do if faced with someone knocking on the door after a collapse. Can we assume we can put you in the "I've got mine, you get yours" column?

No, they are not useless. They just become cooks

-Geaux

 

[candycorn]

You've got some issues with leadership it seems. I don't know if it's pure ignorance or just a very warped view you have of people that don't agree with you, but you might want to take some time and actually get to know people a little more.

No sonny,

I just grew up in the South and know the genus red-neck better than most. The idea that someone would be able to organize them into a soccer team would be easier than the idea that you'd take an armed red-neck and convince him that he's not the leader. This is why red-necks love their guns; it equalizes them in a way that economics does not, in a way that society does not, and in a way that academia certainly has not. It's the same thing religion does; it places you on a pedestal when all other tenants of modern society do not. If you were to look at the Bible belt and super impose the areas that had the most weaponry, the two would mirror one another with the exception of the west where there is a much more legitimate need for weaponry.


As the recognized leader of the Logistics section of our healthcare system, I certainly don't have an issue with leadership...that is humorous in the extreme. If you only knew.

What I was saying is that when you try to form some sort of make-shift survivalist clan and say, "Charlie, I'll stay here in the house; take you and your kid and go patrol the neighborhood and report back to me" Charlie is going to wonder why you get to stay in the house and he and junior are put in harm's way.

I am a lifelong southerner, and proud of it. Funny that you try to demean the redencks, and claim to know them. They can't be organized? Southern rednecks (I add "southern" because I have seen redneck almost every where) are very likely to also be veterans. I think they managed to accept leadership while serving. But since you choose to specifically demean Cletus, I will have to ask you which one he is, as far as our group goes. Is Cletus the plant worker? If so, Cletus did 2 tours in the US Marine Corp, reads science fiction like it's going out of style, plays mandolin in 2 blue grass bands, and was a foreman at a local cabinet manufacturing plant. Or is Cletus the fire fighter? If so, he has worked summers out west for the last 5 or 6 years fighting wild fires, has a wife and 3 kids (kids are honor roll students), owns a significant chunk of land he paid for with the wages of a fireman. Or is Cletus the farmer? If so, Cletus is retired from the US Navy (submarine service, like me), grew up in the area but joined the Navy at 18, took over his father's farm when his dad died in the mid-90s which he turned into a moderately successful organic farm. Or is Cletus the mechanic? If so, he learned his craft from his dad, has been known to fix cars for nothing, so people can have a way to & from work, is a deacon in his church, has a wife and 2 little girls that he adores, and raises quarter horses. Or is Cletus the grouchy old fart that retired from the US Postal service, has published 4 novels, 1 collection of poems, and repairs guitars and other stringed instruments as a hobby?


You see, you like to make judgements about people without knowing them. These are the guys I met when I moved to the rural area in east central Alabama back in 2001. None of them look like anything remarkable. All of them deer hunt, farm and like to sit around a campfire drinking a beer. All of them own a pickup truck or a Jeep. And every one of them would be the people who stopped on the side of the road to help you if your car broke down or you had an accident. All of them are will be right up front when there are calls for donations to help people they don't know who suffered a tornado, hurricane or earthquake's wrath.

You think you know "rednecks"? I think you simply like to look down your nose at people, without actually knowing them at all.

Touch a nerve?

Its probably a good idea to stop when you have to enumerate the ways some one has contributed to society. Whenever some redneck talks that way about blacks or women, I do the same thing and, inevitably, the come-back is...there are X million in the country...you named 10 who made a contribution!!!!

Besides...the fiercely independent types are the ones I speaking of. Don't pretend you didn't know that. Pfft.

 

[WinterBorn]

No sonny,

I just grew up in the South and know the genus red-neck better than most. The idea that someone would be able to organize them into a soccer team would be easier than the idea that you'd take an armed red-neck and convince him that he's not the leader. This is why red-necks love their guns; it equalizes them in a way that economics does not, in a way that society does not, and in a way that academia certainly has not. It's the same thing religion does; it places you on a pedestal when all other tenants of modern society do not. If you were to look at the Bible belt and super impose the areas that had the most weaponry, the two would mirror one another with the exception of the west where there is a much more legitimate need for weaponry.


As the recognized leader of the Logistics section of our healthcare system, I certainly don't have an issue with leadership...that is humorous in the extreme. If you only knew.

What I was saying is that when you try to form some sort of make-shift survivalist clan and say, "Charlie, I'll stay here in the house; take you and your kid and go patrol the neighborhood and report back to me" Charlie is going to wonder why you get to stay in the house and he and junior are put in harm's way.

I am a lifelong southerner, and proud of it. Funny that you try to demean the redencks, and claim to know them. They can't be organized? Southern rednecks (I add "southern" because I have seen redneck almost every where) are very likely to also be veterans. I think they managed to accept leadership while serving. But since you choose to specifically demean Cletus, I will have to ask you which one he is, as far as our group goes. Is Cletus the plant worker? If so, Cletus did 2 tours in the US Marine Corp, reads science fiction like it's going out of style, plays mandolin in 2 blue grass bands, and was a foreman at a local cabinet manufacturing plant. Or is Cletus the fire fighter? If so, he has worked summers out west for the last 5 or 6 years fighting wild fires, has a wife and 3 kids (kids are honor roll students), owns a significant chunk of land he paid for with the wages of a fireman. Or is Cletus the farmer? If so, Cletus is retired from the US Navy (submarine service, like me), grew up in the area but joined the Navy at 18, took over his father's farm when his dad died in the mid-90s which he turned into a moderately successful organic farm. Or is Cletus the mechanic? If so, he learned his craft from his dad, has been known to fix cars for nothing, so people can have a way to & from work, is a deacon in his church, has a wife and 2 little girls that he adores, and raises quarter horses. Or is Cletus the grouchy old fart that retired from the US Postal service, has published 4 novels, 1 collection of poems, and repairs guitars and other stringed instruments as a hobby?


You see, you like to make judgements about people without knowing them. These are the guys I met when I moved to the rural area in east central Alabama back in 2001. None of them look like anything remarkable. All of them deer hunt, farm and like to sit around a campfire drinking a beer. All of them own a pickup truck or a Jeep. And every one of them would be the people who stopped on the side of the road to help you if your car broke down or you had an accident. All of them are will be right up front when there are calls for donations to help people they don't know who suffered a tornado, hurricane or earthquake's wrath.

You think you know "rednecks"? I think you simply like to look down your nose at people, without actually knowing them at all.

Touch a nerve?

Its probably a good idea to stop when you have to enumerate the ways some one has contributed to society. Whenever some redneck talks that way about blacks or women, I do the same thing and, inevitably, the come-back is...there are X million in the country...you named 10 who made a contribution!!!!

Besides...the fiercely independent types are the ones I speaking of. Don't pretend you didn't know that. Pfft.

Oh, so you only meant a small subset of them? But I am remiss for pointing out that the majority that I know don't fit your profile? lol

You were the one claiming we would not survive because of what you know about rednecks. I thought, perhaps, you might understand better if I gave you details.

And I think that when people base their view of an entire portion of society on stereotypes, it is the perfect time to enumerate the ways in which they are wrong. Any time you use a stereotype like that to demean an entire group, you are obviously showing ignorance. Were I to do the same concerning blacks, hispanics or women, you would have no problem calling me on it.

 

[Wildman]

If you live out in the suburbs of Long Island, it's best to know all the nearby Gun Owners in your immediate neighborhood. Put together a well patrolled perimeter. The way we plan to deal with non-gun owners is as follows:

In a "minor" SHTF scenario, like a natural disaster, help as many as you can, the Government will eventually restore law and order and private charities from around the nation will come to your aide.

In a major SHTF scenario, like a terrorist attack on the power grid, or a Dollar Crash, there will be no Government for many months, possibly even years, and millions will starve. Forcibly evict all non gun owners, because if you don't they'll conspire to murder you in your sleep for your stores.

Use the materials from their homes to repair your homes and build basic walls and defensive structures. Use their property to plant crops.

Also, make sure you the gun owners agree on Trial by Jury, this way there is some degree of Law and Popular Sovereignty even amongst yourselves. Kill any gun owner who disagrees with Jury Trials --- this person craves to be a local Tyrant.

First you want to forcibly evict people from their property, then you want Jury Trials. Before you start killing people without jury trials.

You are a ******* narcissistic idiot. What a ******* combo.

It ceases to be their property because you've taken it by force, and their is no application of law or justice. Eventually, the unarmed hoard will bring their sticks and stones in large numbers to overwhelm the gun owners. Competition for scarce resources makes an animal out of everyone.

Survival of the fittest. Take out your potential enemy before he can get you, just like the Japs at Pearl.

speaking of Pearl Harbor....., what day is this ? yo.., what ... day ... is .... this ??

 

[WinterBorn]

Leadership? No.
Direction? Yes.

Not one and the same.

I've been trained in this for approximately ten years by FEMA and the National Fire Academy.TEEX, and even took courses offered by the USCG in search and rescue and the special types of trauma survivors undergo...

Every scenario taught in any of these classes had an incident commander directing the response.

Your mileage may vary. Good luck getting Cletus to submit to your authority.

FEMA teaches good bureaucracy. No wonder you're so clueless about neighborhoods taking care of themselves effectively. When Cletus decides to take over he'll be quickly judged on how good he is. If he's good, that frees someone else up for other needed tasks. If he sucks, he'll quickly learn that nobody wants to do what he tells them to do and will be replaced.

You've never done this for real so you can be excused for having the elitist view you have, but that doesn't make your analysis accurate.

You certainly have zero idea about what FEMA teaches if that is your view.

Just a quick question...those without weapons are "useless"....right? That would mean that Cletus has guns. What if Cletus doesn't feel like being replaced just yet.

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Every successful response (including the real world ones I have taken part in) has had an incident commander directing the effort. Can you do it with several centers of power wasting resources and duplicating effort? No. Because both are in short supply during an emergency.

Anyway, the question was what would you do if faced with someone knocking on the door after a collapse. Can we assume we can put you in the "I've got mine, you get yours" column?

"Can you do it with several centers of power wasting resources and duplicating effort? No. Because both are in short supply during an emergency."

I think a few families can manage to survive without "wasting resources". Perhaps the smaller scale defies you? I doubt we need an incident commander to handle the resources we have. Each family group has their stores. We cooperate on what needs to be done as a group.

 

[Wildman]

yeah Shelia , I'm just saying that some cushy living college students and libs like to make fun of Preppers and Survivalists as rednecks , southerers and Cletus's . I'm just saying that I use the words prepper and survivalist but I also use other words that describe common sense preparation .

I can remember when our government advertized for people to be prepared for a disaster. What happened? Why is it now they make fun of people who are prepared? Do they want us all to die?

i also remember those days, but you have to also must remember our Gvmt. today is filled with radical leftards, liberscum , AND........, Ta-Daaa, a muslime mulatto ape who hates America and is doing everything he can to destroy over 200 years of tradition, values and Christianity.