The reason I ask is;
it would seem that mandatory Social Security Insurance taxes and Medicare Insurance taxes are precisely doing what you are presuming is not constitutional or is the "providing" of 'something'....by our government?
Well for the record, I'm not against the government providing, 'something' and using the Constitutional means, taxes, to provide Constitutionaly protected rights. The very preamble to the Constitution requires the government to "provide for the common defense" for example.
And it seems to me that SS and Medicare would be the gvt doing much more so, than this purported health care reform, even with the mandate in it. SS and Medicare are FORCED- (so to say and to keep on this 'theme'), upon us through mandatory taxation....
Well all government is "force", what is government after all but a legal monopoly on the use of force? Or to paraphrase George Washington government is 'like fire, a faithful servant and fearful master'. SS and Medicare are welfare, are entitlements not rights.
-there is no "out" as there is with forcing us all to buy insurance such as the paying of $695 dollars if you refuse...
that alone makes it fit more in to your statement that I focused on, don't you think?
I tend to agree however I would not go so far as to say a $695 dollar fee (or jailtime?) is an "out". I would also argue that HC, in the long run will cast far more than SS or medicare put together and end up needing a much more forceful taxation (or drop in service) but that's a seperate argument. So also are the rights of healthcare providers.
-is the government responsible for your Retirement via SS taxes?
IMO, no... except so far as the have already collected fees for the above under laws written that state some portion of those fees are to come back to me.
-is the government responsible and providing your medical care when you are a senior?
IMO, no... w/the above exception
Do these two things really mean it is a "right" that all Americans, when they reach 65 etc, will receive a Retirement check, or receive medical care?
No the only aspect that qualifies as a right in my opinion is that the government must keep it's prior promise and return tax money already confiscated for that stated purpose. I would not say, for instance, that they had the right to take it in the first place. However, we must live with the results now.
Can it not be, just some "programs" through representation....... that were legislated, at the bequest of the people and have nothing to do with the Bill of Rights or any inalienable rights or enumerated rights etc ?
Yes that's exactly right, er correct. Again, entitlement not a right.
Or, if the Constitution limits Congress's powers, and guarantees 'the peoples' rights, whether listed or not in the initial Bill of Rights, is health care a right...just one of the ones not listed?
IF the Constitution limits the power of congress! 
I think we've hit upon the nub of our disaggreement, lol. I'd say we have rights not enumerated in the Bill of Rights without a doubt BUT... the federal government has no obligation (or legal right IMHO) to provide us with them.
And other than the "affordability credits",
how is the government exactly providing for your health care? We are paying for our own health care insurance....THEY ARE NOT.
Well here the list of examples is nearly endless and deserves a seperate thread of its own but I'll note a few things:
- making me buy it by force
- allowing the abuse of interstate commerce clause
- endless regulations not least of which is forcing Ins. companies to sell coverages I may not want or need (raising cost)
Whereas with SS retirement and medicare health care....the gvt is paying, although be it through taxing us.
I'd argue that force is force, weather the beneficiary is the government itself or government approved companies.
