Justice Roberts wrongly, and arbitrarily, conclude tariffs are prohibited under the IEEPA

[Winston]

Look. I really don't see what is so hard to understand. A tariff is a tax, and all taxes have to come from Congress. No damn fatass dumbshit crooked ass president can implement a tax on Americans all by his ******* lonesome. I mean does anyone in their right mind believe a single founder would support this shit?

And I know, I know, it has been done in the past. But unilaterally, it is been rare, it has always required a national emergency. And it has always required level tariffs, and for good damn reason. I mean without that you might have some orange turd manipulate tariffs based on a gold bar and a watch. I mean you can't make this shit up.

 

[johnwk]

They are better than yours, which present NO argument.

It's obvious that posted did not read the dissenting opinions.

 

[Dante]

They are better than yours, which present NO argument.

 

[Dante]

Kavanaugh is a nutcase...

With you people-of-the-cult until he is not

get a grip

 

[Winco]

If anything, it's a tax on those countries that export their goods to the US. Taxes are also mandatory, and no US citizen is required to purchase those tariffed goods from other countries.

So not a tax.

Tariffs are indeed a tax.

How about posting some credible source that supports your claim.
Talk about being brainwashed/indoctrinated.
How sad are you, believing the LIE.

 

[Winco]

If anything, it's a tax on those countries that export their goods to the US. Taxes are also mandatory, and no US citizen is required to purchase those tariffed goods from other countries.

So not a tax.

False.

I challenge you to find ANY real news source that supports your claim.
Here is MY claim.

Tariffs are legally paid by the
importer (the US company bringing in the goods) to US Customs. However, the economic burden is primarily passed on to US consumers and businesses in the form of higher prices, with studies indicating that nearly 100% of the costs can be passed through to consumers.

Tax Policy Center +4
Key Details on Tariff Incidence:

• Direct Payment: US importers pay the tariff, not the foreign government or exporter.
• Passing Costs: Importers typically pass these higher costs on to consumers via higher prices on goods, although they may occasionally absorb some costs or force foreign suppliers to lower prices.
• Economic Burden: Studies on recent U.S. tariffs show they have been passed on almost entirely to US consumers and importing firms, acting as a tax on the US economy.
• Impact: Tariffs increase prices for goods, reduce the variety of available goods, and create an economic burden on both businesses and households.
  

 

[Dante]

John Roberts is a player who writes decisions with an eye down the road. His ACA decision was designed to (unsuccessfully) prevent Obama's reelection, and his Tariff decision was to prohibit future (Democrat) Presidents from declaring "national emergencies" to impose whatever draconian measures they dream up.

He understands that Trump can continue his tariffs under other authorities, and I think he will block any recovery efforts resulting from his decision.

that is just crazy

read his decision and reasoning

he cited presedents and more...

 

[Winston]

It's obvious that posted did not read the dissenting opinions.

Oh come on. Kavanaugh's was a joke, and Thomas is no better. He always attempts to hide his shit in some historical revisionism. His dissent, well taxation is not a "core" legislative power. WTF? I don't know what history he is studying but it ain't US History. I doubt the man has ever read a Federalist paper, let alone Madison's correspondence during his presidency. Like the veto of the canal improvement projects.

I mean I can imagine it. What's up guys? I high five Washington and low five Madison. All the founders are there. I tell them, you know what is up. The damn president is unilaterally implementing tariffs on countries, at all kinds of different levels. And worse, he is bragging about the revenue he is collecting.

And get this, he implements them, he removes them, they call it TACO Trump. I mean hell, he negotiated lower tariffs for Switzerland for a gold bar and a Swiss watch. Oh, shut up Franklin, we will get you a Swiss watch.

But here is where it gets worse. I start explaining to them about gerrymandering and believe me, they know how it works, Madison better than anyone. About voter suppression, about not counting immigrants for delegation purposes. I mean seriously are entering taxation without representation territory, they would know it.

 

[22lcidw]

I'm still not sure why you cult members are supporting this TAX on Americans.

You applaud 'tax cuts' then you also applaud 'tax increases.'


It's the trump world.

Years ago, I read that tariffs could even up the trade situation and return some manufacturing here. It does take a little from projected GDP. Trump has other agendas that make sure the potential of GDP growth is good though. Also, as the world's reserve currency we need a strong nation to keep that which we make out well with and has been dropping precipitously over decades. We saw the supply chain detonate during Covid. We saw shortages of products we needed like infant formula as we had one planet and there was a problem with it that shut it down. Tell us how to get some manufacturing to return with good paying employment.

 

[Dante]

Roberts may not realize it, but 98% of what the Fed does these days is NOT EXPRESSLY SPELLED OUT IN THE CONSTITUTION. At best, some of it my be inferred.

If you were any more ignorant of things, it would be...

"spelled OUT IN THE CONSTITUTION?"

You do know the job description of the SCOTUS

Even AI Bots laugh at you: "the job description of the SCOTUS"

"The Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS) is the nation's highest tribunal, responsible for
interpreting the Constitution, ensuring equal justice under law, and acting as the final arbiter in legal disputes. Key duties include exercising judicial review to invalidate unconstitutional acts, settling legal disputes, and overseeing federal court operations."

 

[frigidweirdo]

I'm still not sure why you cult members are supporting this TAX on Americans.

You applaud 'tax cuts' then you also applaud 'tax increases.'


It's the trump world.

If Trump does it, it's amazing, if a Democrat does it, it's treasonous. Even if it's the SAME THING.

 

[Dante]

There is zero proof it takes the form of a tax

If anything, it's a tax on those countries that export their goods to the US. Taxes are also mandatory, and no US citizen is required to purchase those tariffed goods from other countries.

So not a tax.

Tariffs are indeed a tax.

How about posting some credible source that supports your claim.
Talk about being brainwashed/indoctrinated.
How sad are you, believing the LIE.

Look. I really don't see what is so hard to understand. A tariff is a tax, and all taxes have to come from Congress. No damn fatass dumbshit crooked ass president can implement a tax on Americans all by his ******* lonesome. I mean does anyone in their right mind believe a single founder would support this shit?

And I know, I know, it has been done in the past. But unilaterally, it is been rare, it has always required a national emergency. And it has always required level tariffs, and for good damn reason. I mean without that you might have some orange turd manipulate tariffs based on a gold bar and a watch. I mean you can't make this shit up.

Tariffs are indeed a tax.

How about posting some credible source that supports your claim.
Talk about being brainwashed/indoctrinated.
How sad are you, believing the LIE.

So, you'd both agree with me that --

CJ Roberts' ruling on the 'shared responsibility payment' where Roberts says the payment functions as a tax for constitutional purposes. He cited precedents for fines and penalties, functioning as a tax, while not exactly being taxes. None of those precedents, or the ppaca were rewritten by the Court. The IRS was not able to use it's usual tax enforcement rules on the payment issue.

From the ruling: the district court concluded, Section Three does not apply to the President. The Colorado Supreme Court ruled: Congress does not need to pass implementing legislation for Section Three’s disqualification provision to attach, and Section Three is, in that sense, self-executing.

 

[Winston]

With you people-of-the-cult until he is not

get a grip

Excuse me? I been in this fight a long time hoss. Kavenaugh is a piece of work. The ultimate opportunist. Thomas on steroids. And come on, Thomas. There is a cancer in America. It is called the Federalist Society.

 

[Dante]

Years ago, I read that tariffs could even up the trade situation and return some manufacturing here. It does take a little from projected GDP. Trump has other agendas that make sure the potential of GDP growth is good though. Also, as the world's reserve currency we need a strong nation to keep that which we make out well with and has been dropping precipitously over decades. We saw the supply chain detonate during Covid. We saw shortages of products we needed like infant formula as we had one planet and there was a problem with it that shut it down. Tell us how to get some manufacturing to return with good paying employment.

"Years ago, I read that tariffs could..." - So you read an opinion, and take it as the last word on things?

Good for you.

 

[Dante]

Excuse me? I been in this fight a long time hoss. Kavenaugh is a piece of work. The ultimate opportunist. Thomas on steroids. And come on, Thomas. There is a cancer in America. It is called the Federalist Society.

First of all, try using the "Search" feature here and see where Dante has written on this.

You sound like one of those newcomers to things, like a convert to a religious faith who assume to know more than those raised in that faith.

as politely as I can say it:
fuk off

 

[Dante]

If anything, it's a tax on those countries that export their goods to the US. Taxes are also mandatory, and no US citizen is required to purchase those tariffed goods from other countries.

So not a tax.

Try again, loser

 

[Winston]

First of all, try using the "Search" feature here and see where Dante has written on this.

You sound like one of those newcomers to things, like a convert to a religious faith who assume to know more than those raised in that faith.

as politely as I can say it:
fuk off

Wow. A newcomer. Son, you could not be more wrong. Xenephon, Ways and Means, 355 BC. Damn over two and a half millennium. WTF? This question has been asked and answered. Tariffs are STEWPYD.

 

[JohnDB]

C SCOTUS Robert's is in the Epstein files....

 

[Dante]

C SCOTUS Robert's is in the Epstein files....

and that means what exactly?

I believe he mentioned Jesus Christ too...

 

[Dante]

Wow. A newcomer. Son, you could not be more wrong. Xenephon, Ways and Means, 355 BC. Damn over two and a half millennium. WTF? This question has been asked and answered. Tariffs are STEWPYD.

Post in thread 'If the supremes axe the federal exchange, what will the gop do?'

Apr 20, 2015

The PPACA is the law of the land. Get used to it. The Congress will NOT take away Obamacare from those who are now insured under it.

but they can do Obamacare lite: Hey that GOP Obamacare alternative sure looks a lot like Obamacare Hot Air

• Dante

bye bye loser