Could Minneapolis become the new Belfast?

[LordBrownTrout]

no, they are moving south because they can pollute the environment with impunity and pay their employees shit.

the problem they are finding is that they can't train Cleetus and Billy-Bob to do the work that people in the North were doing, so they have to pay Northerners to rellocate.

No, they don't want to pay high taxes. Its really that simple and the libs only have one idea and that is tax tax tax.

 

[Hafar1014]

This is a pretty stupid analogy.

In Belfast, there was a conflict between Protestants and Catholics.

In MN, everyone was getting along just fine until the ICEstapo showed up after being explicitely told they weren't welcome.

The trouble started when the welfare fraud scandal exposed. Then Minn democrats incited riots to change the subject.

 

[ding]

You agree with me then that their attack on 9/11 was justified.

The only reason native Americans haven't taken over the USA and killed every last white person is because they can't. Why are you making a moral argument? I've noticed that the more agnostic or atheistic a person is the more he or she rails against Darwinism. The other thing I have noticed is that the more a person uses critical theory against others, the more that person hates it when it's used against them. Funny that.

 

[JoeB131]

The trouble started when the welfare fraud scandal exposed. Then Minn democrats incited riots to change the subject.

I think you are confused. Most of the investigations for the supposed fraud happened years ago.

Only because Trump decided to use it as an excuse to send 3000 jackboots into MN

The only thing that incited riots was watching the ICEstapo terrorize their neighborhoods, looking for people who were insufficiently white.

 

[GLASNOST]

their attack on 9/11 was justified.

Why are you making a moral argument?

Call it what you want. I call it "payback".

I've noticed that .....

The other thing I have noticed is that .....

 

[ding]

Call it what you want. I call it "payback".

I don't need to call it anything. You already did. I'm wondering why you think it matters. Good Muslims fly planes into buildings. What's wrong with saying that? Be proud.

 

[GLASNOST]

.... their attack on 9/11 was justified.

Why are you making a moral argument?

Call it what you want. I call it "payback".

I don't need to call it anything.

So, why did you call it "a moral argument"? You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[ding]

So, why did you call it "a moral argument"? You have no idea what you are talking about.

Because that's what you made it when you couldn't accept the fact that good Muslims flew planes into buildings. You had to justify it as moral. I love it when atheists make moral arguments.

 

[GLASNOST]

Because that's what you made it when you couldn't accept the fact that good Muslims flew planes into buildings. You had to justify it as moral. I love it when atheists make moral arguments.

You poor sod. Your mouth keeps moving but your brain is not engaged.

 

[ding]

You poor sod. Your mouth keeps moving but your brain is not engaged.

I think you got that the other way around. Next time don't try to rationalize a wrong as a right. Because that shit is like red meat to me. Especially when it's an atheist doing it.

 

[GLASNOST]

I think you got that the other way around. Next time don't try to rationalize a wrong as a right.

I've said this before and I'll say it again,

"You make your decisions based on your own absurd conclusions and stack them up one upon the other."

And I am willing to bet that you do not understand what I just said and what it means.

 

[ding]

I've said this before and I'll say it again,

"You make your decisions based on your own absurd conclusions and stack them up one upon the other."

And I am willing to bet that you do not understand what I just said and what it means.

Dearie, I'm well past the point of caring what your beliefs are. I've given you more than enough opportunities to define yourself. I doubt they are errors at all. So you lose the bet.

So where were we? I said good Muslims fly planes into buildings. You felt the need to rationalize they were justified in doing so. I questioned your need to do that. So where does that leave us?

 

[schmidlap]

Some thoughts on Minneapolis:

I don’t know much about my maternal grandmother other than she immigrated from Cork, Ireland in the early 1900’s. Her last name was Bolster which does not sound Irish; she was a devout Catholic. She would tell us occasional stories about life in Ireland but even as a small child I could tell she was holding something back.

The reason I find this significant is because I did some research on the rioting and violence in Northern Ireland in 1960’s and I can make a connection to what is happening today in Minneapolis. That city is circling a civil powder keg that could make it a modern-day Belfast and the Pandora’s box it opens could easily spread in many directions.

The structural underpinnings are remarkably similar—tribalistic distrust of authority, the feeling that established power is stacked by some against others, and inflammatory language coming from what some see as outposts against oppression. Others see it as a disciplinary action to quell unrest. The belief that the system is rigged is the only thing shared by adversaries.

We do not need to be Nostradamus here, but we can draw some disturbing parallels. The poison that did its dirty work in Ireland is here today and it has a much larger host to affect. Civil war? Not likely. What is far more probable is a lockdown of personal freedom for everyone. When this kind of social incompatibility exists, it leads to desperate measures on both sides because neither side believes the other acts in good faith.

Strong emotions have risen in Minneapolis, and two people have died in the conflict of visions that nests there. Why is this so dangerous? Because we could enter the same avenging loop that choked Northern Ireland for so long. When right or wrong becomes them or us, redemption on any level becomes impossible. It devolves into a deadly game of one-upmanship like a revolving door. Belfast should be an object lesson for us all because it played out for us to see. George Santayana’s quote about repeating patterns of history applies aptly to Minneapolis.

As an older American I used to hear: “Hey, it’s a free country”, all the time. Do we want car bombings and innocent collateral deaths that will escalate perceived grievances to the max as in Belfast? What will happen to freedom then? —Traded it for security?

Seeing the freedom-loving People of Minneapolis defend their community against the intrusion of brutal authority inspires thoughts of the Boston Tea Party.

Trump's Minnesota retreat points to the power of public anger

Evacuation of Boston by the British Army

 

[GLASNOST]

I'm well past the point of caring what your beliefs are.

That's a lie, and ......

I've given you more than enough opportunities to define yourself.

.... there's the proof it's a lie.

I doubt they are errors at all.

You "doubt".

So you lose the bet.

Another absurd conclusion.

I said good Muslims fly planes into buildings. You felt the need to rationalize they were justified in doing so.

"Need"?

I questioned your need to do that.

"Need" again?

So where does that leave us?

Where? Us?
You: Still confused
Me: No expectations

 

[ding]

That's a lie, and ......

.... there's the proof it's a lie.

You "doubt".

Another absurd conclusion.

"Need"?

"Need" again?

Where? Us?
You: Still confused
Me: No expectations

You think too highly of yourself. I see right through your games. That's where we are at, dearie.

 

[GLASNOST]

Another absurd conclusion.

You think too highly of yourself.

Sometimes yes, but not right now and not when it comes to confronting your BS, lies, and habitual absurd conclusions that often have little (or nothing) to do with the subject. You're just a silly little girl on a swivel chair. Yes I know ... that last sentence was me thinking highly of myself - but you deserve it.

 

[ding]

Sometimes yes, but not right now and not when it comes to confronting your BS, lies, and habitual absurd conclusions that often have little (or nothing) to do with the subject. You're just a silly little girl on a swivel chair. Yes I know ... that last sentence was me thinking highly of myself - but you deserve it.

I couldn't be happier for you to normalize your deviance to justify Muslims flying planes into buildings. What could possibly go wrong with that!