When Libertarians or the like say “I mind my own business”/ “live and let live” what do they really mean? Is there really a Libertarian Party anymore?

[Oddball]

One correction my friend, I didn't say the LP was "shit", I said it is a mess (right now). The only thing that's keeping from turning to "shit" is Angela McCardle and the other Mises Caucus members still hanging in there. The (only) bright spot this cycle was the fact that Angela was able to get Donald Trump, Vivek Ramaswamy and RFK Jr. to speak at the LP Convention, that was awesome, President Trump gave a good speech in front of a hostile audience to boot and then actually LISTENED and responded to libertarian concerns, it's a part of the reason President Trump earned my vote this election.

I really don't know if the LP will be back to any relevance in the future, right now it's not looking too good as some of the best people are abandoning it or ready to.

Just wanted to clarify that.

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This.

The party also roundly poo-poo-ed Jacob Hornberger's appeal to return to libertarian ethos, rather than being a cheap knock-off of the "we can fix it" turd polisher republicans.

 

[Oddball]

I’d say a party that trots out Chase Oliver as their #1 guy, that garners .38% of the vote against two candidates that America hates is pretty much shit…but whatever.
With policy like this I suspect they’ll always be shit…America is done with Mexico’s people.
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In the context of no socialistic welfare state, that's not a horrible policy.

The hordes being waved in right now are mostly indigent moochers.

 

[NetJedi]

I’d say a party that trots out Chase Oliver as their #1 guy, that garners .38% of the vote against two candidates that America hates is pretty much shit…but whatever.
With policy like this I suspect they’ll always be shit…America is done with Mexico’s people.
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Yep one of the many things that the progressives posing at libertarians and the Nick Sarwark wing of the LP inflicted upon the LP, they're also the ones that inflicted Chase Oliver as a nominee on us, he is a complete disaster. I suspect a split of the LP is in the offing where the Mises Caucus and assorted Rothbardian types go their separate way or move over to the GOP en mass.

The only reason I haven't sent my LP membership card back is because of McCardle, I think she deserves some more time to try and clean up the mess others have made but like I said, it's not looking good.

 

[NetJedi]

In the context of no socialistic welfare state, that's not a horrible policy.

The hordes being waved in right now are mostly indigent moochers.

As Milton Friedman said "You cannot simultaneously have free immigration and a welfare state.", we're seeing the evidence right now that he was correct.

 

[TNHarley]

I’ve lost hope in a third party

Is that why you resorted to lifelong democrats?

 

[dblack]

As Milton Friedman said "You cannot simultaneously have free immigration and a welfare state.", we're seeing the evidence right now that he was correct.

The point being we should get rid of the welfare state, not wall off our borders.

 

[TNHarley]

I dont understand why everyone, including the govt, minding its own fucking business, is so controversial.

 

[NetJedi]

The point being we should get rid of the welfare state, not wall off our borders.

Either way works for Me, although I suspect getting rid of the welfare state will be the more difficult proposition.

 

[dblack]

I dont understand why everyone, including the govt, minding its own fucking business, is so controversial.

Because ambitious "reformers" want to use the government to dictate societal norms - ie "transform America"

 

[Independent thinker]

The Libertarian party, like all third parties, is irrelevant because the two shit parties control who can get elected. Until we break up the duopoly, we're going to get worse and worse government.

But you just assume that electing someone who isn't a duopoly member will bring on better government. You can't actually post any evidence that any other person running would have been better than the duopoly. As a matter of fact, Trump isn't really either a democrat or a republican. So, there is your person who is not a member of the duopoly.

 

[NetJedi]

I dont understand why everyone, including the govt, minding its own fucking business, is so controversial.

It's rather elementary my dear Watson, if they're not minding everyone Else's business, they'd have nothing left to do but mind their own which, to many, is a frightening prospect.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Is that why you resorted to lifelong democrats?

NO Democrat cuts taxes or builds border walls. NO Democrat puts restrictions on chicks with dicks.
What are my options?

 

[BrokeLoser]

Because ambitious "reformers" want to use the government to dictate societal norms - ie "transform America"

As Milton Friedman said "You cannot simultaneously have free immigration and a welfare state.", we're seeing the evidence right now that he was correct.

I dont understand why everyone, including the govt, minding its own fucking business, is so controversial.

Sadly, this isn’t the all white, highly ambitious, moral, likeminded America that Lib-Lites like to pretend it still is…That “mind your business” ‘“live and let live” bullshit went out the window circa 1935 when FDR manufactured the welfare class…LBJ really destroyed the philosophy when he said “I’ll have these ni@@ers voting Democrat for 200 years” by buying their votes with free shit.
As soon as you FORCED good people to have an equity share in DaShawn and Guadalupe and their litters of filth you sailed that ship.

 

[dblack]

Sadly, this isn’t the all white, highly ambitious, moral, likeminded America that Lib-Lites like to pretend it still is…

I'm certainly not pretending that. I don't want everyone to be alike. That's your obsession.

That “mind your business” ‘“live and let live” bullshit went out the window circa 1935 when FDR manufactured the welfare class…LBJ really destroyed the philosophy when he said “I’ll have these ni@@ers voting Democrat for 200 years” by buying their votes with free shit.

Nope. That's still how core Americans live their lives. They know how to mind their own business. You should try it.

As soon as you FORCED good people to ...

Who do you think you're talking to? I haven't forced anyone to do anything. Nor have I supported those who do. Again, that's your thing.

Are you familiar with the term "projection"?

 

[NetJedi]

Sadly, this isn’t the all white, highly ambitious, moral, likeminded America that Lib-Lites like to pretend it still is…That “mind your business” ‘“live and let live” bullshit went out the window circa 1935 when FDR manufactured the welfare class…LBJ really destroyed the philosophy when he said “I’ll have these ni@@ers voting Democrat for 200 years” by buying their votes with free shit.
As soon as you FORCED good people to have an equity share in DaShawn and Guadalupe and their litters of filth you sailed that ship.

Are you attempting to argue that because of The New Deal and The Great Society you've been granted license to control everyone's Else's lives via government coercion because we had something to do with the policies of those two regimes? If you think that you don't understand libertarianism at all.

I'm having a hard time understanding your objective here, is it your intention to alienate libertarians by lumping us in with left wing "progressives"?

 

[dblack]

I'm having a hard time understanding your objective here, is it your intention to alienate libertarians by lumping us in with left wing "progressives"?

I've often considered the possibility that BL actually is a Democrat, here to make Republicans look bad.

 

[NetJedi]

I've often considered the possibility that BL actually is a Democrat, here to make Republicans look bad.

I don't think so, it seems that BrokeLoser just has a very shallow understanding of libertarianism and the fact that we're not monolithic in our opinions of various issues of the day, heck I think we argue among ourselves over the issues of the day more than most other philosophical groups.

Just my observation, I admit I could be wrong.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Are you attempting to argue that because of The New Deal and The Great Society you've been granted license to control everyone's Else's lives via government coercion because we had something to do with the policies of those two regimes?

This “control” you keep speaking of..what have I said about being a proponent of government “control”?
I’ve made the assertion that a great nation was built by people who had high standards and expectations for their fellow countrymen to meet. You can’t have an exceptional nation without established moral standards and expectations.

If you think that you don't understand libertarianism at all.

The concept of libertarianism in it’s entirety is folklore…you simply can’t deploy real libertarianism within this new America with these new Americans.

I'm having a hard time understanding your objective here, is it your intention to alienate libertarians by lumping us in with left wing "progressives"?

I really have no objective, I set out to discuss the Libertarian Party / libertarianism and its irrelevance in this new America compromised of new Americans with zero interest in libertarian concepts …that’s all.

 

[dblack]

I really have no objective, I set out to discuss the Libertarian Party / libertarianism and its irrelevance in this new America compromised of new Americans with zero interest in libertarian concepts …that’s all.

I think that he thinks all his whining will convince libertarians to support Trump. Or maybe a libertarian picked on him in school. Regardless, he starts two or three of these threads a week. It's an obsession.

 

[NetJedi]

This “control” you keep speaking of..what have I said about being a proponent of government “control”?

You're complaining about libertarians "live and let live" attitude, what do you think that is if not eschewing attempting to control other people?