When Libertarians or the like say “I mind my own business”/ “live and let live” what do they really mean? Is there really a Libertarian Party anymore?

[AzogtheDefiler]

I'm not seeing how that changes the nature of the two party system. If anything, it's just further proof how defunct it is. C'mon. Trump vs Harris? If that's the best we can do we shouldn't bother.

Who would you prefer?

 

[ThisIsMe]

The basic libertarian idea is that you can do whatever you want as long as you don't physically or financially hurt someone else. However, this doesn't mean that you can't defend yourself, even if it means harming the person attacking you. This is why libertarians are fine with pornography, rampant drug use, open borders, homosexuality, social media censoring people, etc. It also means that they want the government to stop mucking about in the economy. So that means no taxation, no business licensing, no zoning regulations, no building codes, no minimum wage laws, no laws against prostitution, etc. When taken to its logical conclusion it also means a stateless society.

I've noticed that over the last couple decades there's been a tendency of conflating libertarianism and conservatism, but these are two different philosophies.

This is why libertarians are fine with pornography, rampant drug use, open borders, homosexuality, social media censoring people, etc..

Not quite. One can have feelings and opinions on things. Being libertarian doesn't mean you don't disagree with things, it just means that it's not your place to tell others how to live.

Take pornography, for example. A person can be against it, personally, and think it's wrong, but realize that it's not their place to try and tell someone else that it's wrong.


See what I mean?

 

[dblack]

At least by all appearances he's attacking the establishment, that includes the establishment hobgoblins in both major parties, the legacy media and the denizens of the bureaucratic establishment in Washington, that's the first step to changing it. If you don't like the status quo how do you change it other than going into full bull in a China shop mode from the inside? You certainly aren't going to change it from the outside looking in.

I've never been sympathetic to the "burn it all down" mentality in politics. It rarely contemplates the aftermath and, after you remove "the establishment" you usually get something as bad, or worse, in its place. There's a pretty significant body of history to support that view.

Why do you think the douche bags that are entrenched members of the establishment hate him so much?

I have no idea. I guess you're suggesting that they "hate" him because he threatens their privilege and power. But it's also possible that they see an obvious con man, someone who they think threatens the future of the country.

I would suggest withholding final judgement until we see if he can actually put a dent in the administrative state as well as follow through on his other anti-establishment promises, that's what I'm doing anyways.

I'm always glad to see someone defy my negative expectations. Since he came on the scene, he has failed to do that.

 

[dblack]

Who would you prefer?

I'm not going to play that game. If you really think people like Harris and Trump are the cream of the crop, the best we can do - we're living in different realities.

 

[BrokeLoser]

I'm not seeing how that changes the nature of the two party system. If anything, it's just further proof how defunct it is. C'mon. Trump vs Harris? If that's the best we can do we shouldn't bother.

It was actually Trump vs Harris vs Oliver…you were saying?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

I'm not going to play that game. If you really think people like Harris and Trump are the cream of the crop, the best we can do - we're living in different realities.

Can’t give one example? Trump won his place democratically. Harris stole hers.

It’s not a game. Give me a name.

 

[dblack]

Can’t give one example?

I could give you lots of examples. But none of them will be elected via the two-party system. That's my point.

Trump won his place democratically. Harris stole hers.

What's that got to do with how good either candidate is?

It’s not a game. Give me a name.

I think someone like Justin Amash would be a great President. Democrat Jared Polis would be good as well. But the election infrastructure has us trapped in two-party hell. Moderate candidates who might find broad consensus in the general, are pushed out by the culture-warrior radicals in the primaries.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

I could give you lots of examples. But none of them will be elected via the two-party system. That's my point.

What's that got to do with how good either candidate is?

I think someone like Justin Amash would be a great President. Democrat Jared Polis would be good as well. But the election infrastructure has us trapped in two-party hell. Moderate candidates who might find broad consensus in the general, are pushed out by the culture-warrior radicals in the primaries.

Jared Polis?

Trump had a primary against several quality candidates and won. That’s the point. Harris didn’t. Your candidates aren’t any better.

Amash is a Hamas supporter for all intents and purposes. You just showed your hand.

Well done. Disappointing.

 

[dblack]

Jared Polis?

Not a game, huh?

Well done. Disappointing.

Like I said, if you really think Trump vs Harris is a serious election choice, that either one should be trusted with our nation's future - we're just living in different realities. The "choice" offered is a reality show conman vs a dei hire. Seriously, how can you defend that?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Not a game, huh?

Like I said, if you really think Trump vs Harris is a serious election choice, that either one should be trusted with our nation's future - we're just living in different realities. The "choice" offered is a reality show conman vs a dei hire. Seriously, how can you defend that?

Your choice is a dude who likes other dudes in Colorado where gangs take over apt buildings and a Palestinian. Get real.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Your choice is a dude who likes other dudes in Colorado where gangs take over apt buildings and a Palestinian. Get real.

dblack seems to really like dudes who like dudes…He thinks dudes who like dudes could effectively lead a nation founded built and pillared by biblical principles and a moral order.

 

[YoursTruly]

Based on my experiences here it seems like self proclaimed Libertarians are just re-packaged socially left as hell progressives who are probably voting Democrat in secret…kind of…sometimes.

How right you are. The democrats infested the LP when Bernie got blackballed by Hillary and the DNC.
Now all they care about is legalizing drugs, protecting the LGBT people and keeping the borders open.

As if any of those groups matter to 90% of the voting public. They couldn't care less about straight, white, middle class working class Americans anymore.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

dblack seems to really like dudes who like dudes…He thinks dudes who like dudes could effectively lead a nation founded built and pillared by biblical principles and a moral order.

He has been utterly exposed. Disappointing.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

@Tumblin Tumbleweed when you say “I mind my own business” or “live and let live” what do you really mean?

What do you believe it means? After all, this is all about the narrative you're projecting. My opinion is pretty much irrelevant to you, no? I'm a part of the purple hairs and tranny's you fear, amirite?!?

What do think @dblack really means?

I don't pretend to read the mind of dblack.

So, aside from that, why do you suck so much?

It's a mystery for the ages.

 

[dblack]

He has been utterly exposed. Disappointing.

Utterly exposed as what??? You are detached.

 

[NetJedi]

I've never been sympathetic to the "burn it all down" mentality in politics. It rarely contemplates the aftermath and, after you remove "the establishment" you usually get something as bad, or worse, in its place. There's a pretty significant body of history to support that view.

The Founders seem to have pulled it off fairly well, the Coolidge Administration did a pretty good imitation as well, he doesn't need to "burn it all down", he needs to disrupt business as usual and given that he's surrounding himself with disruptors (Musk, Kennedy, Gabbard, Ramaswamy) one has reason to be hopeful.

I have no idea. I guess you're suggesting that they "hate" him because he threatens their privilege and power. But it's also possible that they see an obvious con man, someone who they think threatens the future of the country.

Are you serious? the establishment which is nothing more than a gang of grifters and conmen hate him because they think he's a conman? As far as threatening futures, I think they're more worried about him threatening theirs than they are about the countries, after all these bozos never seemed too worried about the impending national debt implosion that they've set up.

I'm always glad to see someone defy my negative expectations. Since he came on the scene, he has failed to do that.

That's all anybody can ask of a person.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Utterly exposed as what??? You are detached.

As a Democrat who is somewhat moderate. You’re far from anti establishment. I am not detached. I am practical.

 

[dblack]

As a Democrat who is somewhat moderate. You’re far from anti establishment. I am not detached. I am

Wow... it's like party is all you can see.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Wow... it's like party is all you can see.

Polis and Amash are establishment and don’t represent what most Americans want or think they want.

 

[ColonelAngus]

There are lots of fake libertarians on this site who never heard of Murray Rothbard, much less actually read his work.

Lefties who want to deceive you and claim they are neutral and objective say they are “libertarian” just so can mindlessly blast conservatives.

It is so easy to tell because nothing they say is the least bit grounded in the tenets of libertarianism.

They are moral cowards. Ethically bankrupt. Closet homosexuals who do alot of cocaine as well.