When is an embryo/fetus a human life?

[BackAgain]

Fm said:

No, it will be a "human organism". But it won't be a "human" in the sense that a baby is, because it lacks a brain and consciousness.

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An organism can be a life.

And in this case of course (your simpleton claims notwithstanding) it can only be and it is a human life.

And repeating your mention about when life begins doesn’t make it so — no matter how often you repeat it.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Life begins when consciousness arises.
A person's life ends when their consciousness ceases to exist.

You cannot demonstrate the necessary relationship you claim between the existence of "consciousness" and the condition of "life".

 

[Chuz Life]

I've stated many times what I would do to lessen them.

I would have let RvW stand. Roberts wanted to roll back protections to 19 weeks. I'm betting he could have been pulled further 17-18 weeks? Anything past that would be illegal.

Then I would address the issues that cause many (not all, but many) abort. Access to affordable health care. Child day care. An ability to continue an education.

There is a start.

So, you would be fine with personhood being at an arbitrarily decided point? Rather than at a "beginning" point that is based on biological fact?

I would take a proposal like that of Robert's that you cited and still continue working to get personhood based on the biological fact that every "person's" life (LIFE - not thoughts, ability to feel pain, think, see, or have awareness) - their LIFE begins at conception.

 

[Chuz Life]

You have no factual or rational basis for this claim.

100% true.

They (pro-aborts) won't even acknowledge the fact that courts have already held against their denials of personhood to children who suffer the unfortunate situation of being born with no capacity for thought, self-awareness, or even any ability to breathe unassisted. - Anencephalia.

Children with anencephalia are still human beings and, as such, they are still LEGALLY recognized as "natural persons."

This fact destroys the pro-aborts claim that sapience, sentience, the ability to feel pain, breathe on their own, etc. is legally required for "personhood."

It most certainly is NOT.

 

[pknopp]

So, you would be fine with personhood being at an arbitrarily decided point? Rather than at a "beginning" point that is based on biological fact?

It really matters none what I think there. I stated what I would do. Comment on that or not.

I would take a proposal like that of Robert's that you cited and still continue working to get personhood based on the biological fact that every "person's" life (LIFE - not thoughts, ability to feel pain, think, see, or have awareness) - their LIFE begins at conception.

I believe it does also BUT there will never be a law passed that enforces that so I'd get as many saved as realistically possible.

 

[Chuz Life]

It really matters none what I think there. I stated what I would do. Comment on that or not.




I believe it does also BUT there will never be a law passed that enforces that so I'd get as many saved as realistically possible.

I understand your pragmatism.

I hope you understand my determination, as well.

 

[hobelim]

A single cell doing its functions is the definition of life. If that cell is human then it's human life.

No.

 

[pknopp]

I understand your pragmatism.

I hope you understand my determination, as well.

sure.

 

[Grumblenuts]

No wonder

U.S. adults in their 20s and 30s plan to have fewer children than in the past

These declines in the number of children adults plan to have occurred almost entirely in the last decade.

www.pewresearch.org

France now helps parents considerably which has kept their birthrate higher than in the U.S. That despite their pessimism;

'French parents are the European champions of parental pessimism'

Sociologist Romain Delès tells Le Monde about his research into parenthood and raising children in France. According to him, the French 'parental complaint' stems from structural gender inequality in the household and in French society.

www.lemonde.fr

 

[Midnight FM]

Dude you are just arguing to argue, your posts are just tripe and unsubstantiated, it's jut blood lust for dead babies

No one could honestly believe this is a baby. It's common sense:

 

[toobfreak]

You are not 2 grades above anyone ,

Right. Everyone here is 2 grades above you and your sanctimonious quips. Like all leftards, your false bravado only succeeds in fooling yourself. You are trying to prove you won an argument that you had already lost before even entering into it but haven't neither the brains nor integrity to ever admit, so you supplant it with the usual childish attacks.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Apex Predator Damned Dirty Apes Blubbering For Exception From A Universal Scale Of Exploitation "

* Ignorance Of Idiom And Per Son Hood Idiocy *

So, you would be fine with personhood being at an arbitrarily decided point? Rather than at a "beginning" point that is based on biological fact?
I would take a proposal like that of Robert's that you cited and still continue working to get personhood based on the biological fact that every "person's" life (LIFE - not thoughts, ability to feel pain, think, see, or have awareness) - their LIFE begins at conception.

The term person is deconstructed into per as in countable by census and son as in male offspring .

By us 14th amendment , a person born or naturalized can be a us citizen , where by etymology only males are citizens of us republic , else see us 19th amendment and women suffrage .

Patriarchy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Patriarchy is a social system in which positions of authority are primarily held by men.

Athenian democracy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

With participation in Athenian Democracy only being available to adult male Athenian citizens, women were always excluded from government and public roles. Even in the case of citizenry, the term was rarely used in reference to women. Rather, women were often referred to as an astē, which meant "a woman belonging to the city" or Attikē gunē, which meant 'an Attic woman/wife'. Even the term Athenian was largely reserved for just male citizens.[39]

 

[Midnight FM]

" Apex Predator Damned Dirty Apes Blubbering For Exception From A Universal Scale Of Exploitation "

* Ignorance Of Idiom And Per Son Hood Idiocy *

The term person is deconstructed into per as in countable by census and son as in male offspring .

By us 14th amendment , a person born or naturalized can be a us citizen , where by etymology only males are citizens of us republic , else see us 19th amendment and women suffrage .

Patriarchy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Patriarchy is a social system in which positions of authority are primarily held by men.

Athenian democracy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

With participation in Athenian Democracy only being available to adult male Athenian citizens, women were always excluded from government and public roles. Even in the case of citizenry, the term was rarely used in reference to women. Rather, women were often referred to as an astē, which meant "a woman belonging to the city" or Attikē gunē, which meant 'an Attic woman/wife'. Even the term Athenian was largely reserved for just male citizens.[39]

I have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Leo123]

No.

The woman in your linked video said that the robots are: "Living biological robots made from human cells." So, these robots are living human cells or, human life.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Anthropocentric Psychotic Phallus Hunters Seeking To Circumcise The Per Son Hood "

* A Republic Represents Citizens Where Not All Are Citizens *

I have no idea what you're talking about.

The subconscious anxiety about mortality and sexuality leads to psychobabble about person hood by the phallus mutilators .

The per son bowel movement seeks to redefine the term person in title 1 section 8 of us code to include the unborn , by virtue of conveniently ignoring etymology of the term person and implications of its use in us 14th amendment , whereby citizens of us republic are only male .

The roe v wade court related that the term person was not clearly defined and in 2002 the term person in us 14th amendment was made consistent with the enumerated rite to equal protection with a us citizen which includes a non incidental requirement of a live birth ; a live birth requirement for equal protection is the basis of roe v wade .

The dumbfounded dobbs decision is not only sedition against us 14th , 9th , 1st and 10th amendments , it is also malfeasance against title 1 section 8 of us code .


. Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia .
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

. GovInfo .
(a) In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the words “person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual”, shall include every infant member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any stage of development.

. Equal Protection Of Citizenship Is In A State Of Sedition Because Of Supreme Court Ruling On Abortion .

. Are Circumcisions Performed Before An Age Of Consent An Act Of Illegitimate Aggression ? .

. Zone1 - Eponymous Nomian Patriarch Genetic Religions Of Torahnism And Qurayshism : Isaac Versus Ishmael Sacrifice Circumcision Option .

 

[Chuz Life]

Some (ignored) tardz actually don't know, don't care, or appreciate the fact that Human beings are Placental mammals and "placental mammals" by definition "carry their young / OFFSPRING" in the womb.

"Often, the environmental signal that affects development originates from the mother. Mammalian mothers are signaling biochemically to their offspring from the moment of implantation until weaning. The maternal response to environmental challenges modulates her signaling to her offspring, which in turn modulates offspring development. The evidence for in utero effects on adult physiology and disease risk in mammals is substantial, from the early epidemiological work of Forsdahl (1977) and Barker, 1990, Barker, 1993, to a host of experimental studies on laboratory animals. There is also a growing body of evidence for environmental effects in early postnatal life on later disease risk, both direct and due to maternal effects (e.g. Gluckman et al., 2007)."

Maternal regulation of offspring development in mammals is an ancient adaptation tied to lactation - PMC

The developmental origins of health and disease (DOHaD) is a paradigm for understanding metabolic diseases of modern humans. Vulnerability to disease is linked to perturbations in development during critical time periods in fetal and neonatal life. ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Midnight FM]

The woman in your linked video said that the robots are: "Living biological robots made from human cells." So, these robots are living human cells or, human life.

And I suppose you believe that the robots should have a "right to life".

Or not.

 

[Leo123]

And I suppose you believe that the robots should have a "right to life".

Or not.

A zygote is a human cell becoming a human being. A robot is not. When you kill a zygote you are precluding a human life. Why are you so intent on supporting that? You have to lie to yourself that a robot created from a human cell will develop into a human being. That's insane.

 

[Chuz Life]

A zygote is a human cell becoming a human being. A robot is not. When you kill a zygote you are precluding a human life. Why are you so intent on supporting that? You have to lie to yourself that a robot created from a human cell will develop into a human being. That's insane.

If I may.

You just loaded their cannon and fell into a trap.

A human being is a human being, even when that (newly conceived) human being is only in the zygote stage of their life, growth and development.

Even Planned Parenthood recognizes this biological fact.

Glossary of Sexual Health Terms | Planned Parenthood

The Planned Parenthood glossary offers a robust list of sexual and reproductive health terms so you can stay up-to-date on the latest terminology.

www.plannedparenthood.org

 

[Midnight FM]

A zygote is a human cell becoming a human being. A robot is not. When you kill a zygote you are precluding a human life. Why are you so intent on supporting that? You have to lie to yourself that a robot created from a human cell will develop into a human being. That's insane.

"Will develop" into a human being, and "is" a human being are not the same thing. It's not that complicated.