When is an embryo/fetus a human life?

[pknopp]

It is fact screw your reality

And abortions continue. Odd how rants never seem to actually address the issue.

 

[BackAgain]

Then do not be involved in one and leave others to their own private decisions.

That’s not how things work yo simplistic gerbil.

I oppose abortion but still recognize what I see as exceptions.

I’m sorry that you’re too ******* stupid to grasp that notion.

 

[BackAgain]

Abortion on demand is perfectly fine.

No. It certainly is not.

The only issue is whether or not it qualifies as a person,

Wrong again. That’s not the only issue, you imbecile.

and, during the zygote state, when no brain or consciousness exists, but merely an amalgam of cells, I would argue that it doesn't qualify as such.

You’re allowed to argue such nonsense out of you ceaseless ignorance and arrogance.

Upon conception, the cell has the unique DNA of nobody else. It is life. And it will never be anything but a human being from the instant of conception on.

Personhood of is absolutely irrelevant to this discussion.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Regarding the issue of "inherant rights", it's simple.
The law grants legal rights to things based on their inherent qualities. Which is why we grant legal rights to black people but not to rocks, because of the inherent qualities which make black people what they are, which rocks lack.

Interesting.
You have the inherent right to take a human life only when faced with a clear, present, and immediate danger of serious bodily harm or the loss of life; absent that danger, you have no such right.
Thus, a woman only has the right to abort a pregnancy when the unborn child qualifies as such a threat.

 

[Grumblenuts]

It’s a fascinating thing—when a woman is pregnant with a daughter, she also carries the eggs that could become her future grandchildren. For a brief time, three generations exist in the same body. That continuity makes it hard for me to see early life as just “potential”; it’s already part of a larger human story.

The moral being, "Don't count your chickens."

 

[Frankenstein]

And abortions continue. Odd how rants never seem to actually address the issue.

The issue is promiscuity without protection!

 

[pknopp]

The issue is promiscuity without protection!

And simply ranting about it will do nothing to stop a single abortion.

 

[Frankenstein]

And simply ranting about it will do nothing to stop a single abortion.

Which doesn't mean abortion should be allowed, I mean do you have an Idea

 

[pknopp]

Which doesn't mean abortion should be allowed, I mean do you have an Idea

I'm pro-life. The realities are abortion is going to remain available. More so now after the repeal of RvW.

 

[Frankenstein]

I'm pro-life. The realities are abortion is going to remain available. More so now after the repeal of RvW.

So you don't have an idea how to stop them, it is a cultural thing. It used to be taboo, but the lack of accountability age has made it normal. It shouldn't be, and people who are pro life need to help readjust the culture

 

[pknopp]

So you don't have an idea how to stop them, it is a cultural thing. It used to be taboo, but the lack of accountability age has made it normal. It shouldn't be, and people who are pro life need to help readjust the culture

I've stated many times what I would do to lessen them.

I would have let RvW stand. Roberts wanted to roll back protections to 19 weeks. I'm betting he could have been pulled further 17-18 weeks? Anything past that would be illegal.

Then I would address the issues that cause many (not all, but many) abort. Access to affordable health care. Child day care. An ability to continue an education.

There is a start.

 

[Frankenstein]

I've stated many times what I would do to lessen them.

I would have let RvW stand. Roberts wanted to roll back protections to 19 weeks. I'm betting he could have been pulled further 17-18 weeks? Anything past that would be illegal.

Then I would address the issues that cause many (not all, but many) abort. Access to affordable health care. Child day care. An ability to continue an education.

There is a start.

Cool who pays for it all that is the issue for me I did not force anyone to have sex and be pregnant but you want me to foot the bill for all of that? Notice the question mark as I do not know how you plan to fund it. I believe we need to stop the advance of got to have it now which is a technology advancement that has not been good for mankind. Teach kids to wait.

 

[IDIOCRACY]

Didn't I already do a thread like this with the same OP?


Life begins at conception, retard. You're lucky you've made it this far.

Before answering I have to know if the parents are liberal or conservative?

 

[pknopp]

Cool who pays for it all that is the issue for me I did not force anyone to have sex and be pregnant but you want me to foot the bill for all of that?

So while you are against abortion, money trumps the babies life? It makes me believe you aren't pro-life, you are simply pro-politics.

Notice the question mark as I do not know how you plan to fund it. I believe we need to stop the advance of got to have it now which is a technology advancement that has not been good for mankind. Teach kids to wait.

Id start with not starting and funding wars everywhere.

 

[Frankenstein]

So while you are against abortion, money trumps the babies life? It makes me believe you aren't pro-life, you are simply pro-politics.




Id start with not starting and funding wars everywhere.

Total deflection, I already said I am for more accountability. Parents are the answer, especially for not of age men, and women, they should foot the bill, therefore forcing them to teach the consequences of life. I never said your idea was wrong I said it's wrong to expect anyone else to pay for those things. Kids are on their parents insurance till 26, by 26 they should no better. War sucks who wants more war but i am for having the best national defense if needed

 

[pknopp]

Total deflection, I already said I am for more accountability. Parents are the answer, especially for not of age men, and women, they should foot the bill, therefore forcing them to teach the consequences of life. I never said your idea was wrong I said it's wrong to expect anyone else to pay for those things. Kids are on their parents insurance till 26, by 26 they should no better. War sucks who wants more war but i am for having the best national defense if needed

And the young woman who finds herself pregnant with no clue how she will feed another, aborts.

 

[Frankenstein]

And the young woman who finds herself pregnant with no clue how she will feed another, aborts.

PARENTS, unless she is of age, and then PARENTS, who should have taught her better, what is wrong with accountability.

 

[pknopp]

PARENTS, unless she is of age, and then PARENTS, who should have taught her better, what is wrong with accountability.

your scenario doesn't exist for many and the abortions will continue.

 

[Midnight FM]

No. It certainly is not.

Wrong again. That’s not the only issue, you imbecile.

You’re allowed to argue such nonsense out of you ceaseless ignorance and arrogance.

It is the only issue. Abortion as birth control is perfectly fine. Assuming no human life is being taken, then there's no issue.

Upon conception, the cell has the unique DNA of nobody else. It is life. And it will never be anything but a human being from the instant of conception on.

Skin cells have human DNA. They are life. They aren't a person.

Likewise, a zygote lacks a human brain or consciousness, so it's certainly not a baby.

 

[BackAgain]

It is the only issue.

No. It’s not

Abortion as birth control is perfectly fine.

No. It isn’t.

Assuming no human life is being taken, then there's no issue.

It is the taking of a human life.

You’re truly not at all bright.

Skin cells have human DNA. They are life. They aren't a person.

Wrong again. Skin cells have the human’s DNA. UNIQUE DNA. No other person has that unique DNA. THAT DOESN’T MEAN THE PERSON DOESN’T HAVE HIS OR HER OWN CODED DNA WITHIN HIS OWN CELLS.

Likewise, a zygote lacks a human brain or consciousness, so it's certainly not a baby.

You don’t have a brain, either. But that’s not exactly the hallmark of when life begins.