When is an embryo/fetus a human life?

[TemplarKormac]

But does it have human consciousness? I'm not so sure.

Consciousness isn't the defining factor. The DNA makeup is.

A puzzle is still a puzzle even if one piece is missing.

 

[The Duke]

Didn't I already do a thread like this with the same OP?


Life begins at conception, retard. You're lucky you've made it this far.

 

[Chuz Life]

Didn't I already do a thread like this with the same OP?

Just realized this is in Politics?

Daffuq?

 

[Midnight FM]

Consciousness isn't the defining factor. The DNA makeup is.

A puzzle is still a puzzle even if one piece is missing.

I'm tempted to argue that consciousness is. A skin cell may contain human DNA, but it isn't a human life.

 

[Chuz Life]

But does it have human consciousness? I'm not so sure.

You ask so many questions, but avoid answering any of them yourself.

This comment from you begs the question "are human beings (natural persons) to be defined by the human traits and characteristics they have? Or, should human beings (natural persons) be arbitrarily defined by characteristics they may only lack, temporarily, because they are so young.

For what it's worth, No laws require sapience, sentience, ability to feel pain, or any other shit like that for basic human rights or "personhood."

 

[cnm]

Heartbeat. If a heart stopping means death, a heart beginning to beat signifies life. For any species.

Ah.

So it is dead before that?

Interesting.

 

[Midnight FM]

You ask so many questions, but avoid answering any of them yourself.

This comment from you begs the question "are human beings (natural persons) to be defined by the human traits and characteristics they have? Or, should human beings (natural persons) be arbitrarily defined by characteristics they may only lack, temporarily, because they are so young.

For what it's worth, No laws require sapience, sentience, ability to feel pain, or any other shit like that for basic human rights or "personhood."

Actually, to my understanding, a person who is clinically braindead can be taken off of life support. So this highly implies that consciousness plays a role in the right to life.

 

[buttercup]

A skin cell may contain human DNA, but it isn't a human life.

A skin cell is a mere PART of a human being...as opposed to a brand new, genetically distinct, individual human organism. (A new human being.)

But I'm not good at explaining the scientific side of this, so I'll let Chuz Life or others answer your questions.

 

[cnm]

I'm not convinced that it is a human life from the moment of conception (given that it doesn't have a brain, for example), but at some point during pregnancy, I believe it qualifies as a human life.

Human life will have to be defined before its origin can be determined.

 

[cnm]

Just realized this is in Politics?

Daffuq?

As though the answers will not be determined by politics. Bet I can guess yours.

 

[scruffy]

I'm not convinced that it is a human life from the moment of conception (given that it doesn't have a brain, for example), but at some point during pregnancy, I believe it qualifies as a human life.

6 weeks.

 

[progressive hunter]

I'm simply not convinced that this is a baby, are you?

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why not just answer my uestion,,

if its not a human then what species is it??

 

[Mac-7]

A skin cell is a mere PART of a human being...as opposed to a brand new, genetically distinct, individual human organism. (A new human being.)

But I'm not good at explaining the scientific side of this, so I'll let Chuz Life or others answer your questions.

A skin cell contains the exact same DNA as the entire body

During an abortion the doctor does not destroy just a skin cell but the entire human life

 

[cnm]

Fine boys and girls.

 

[Mac-7]

why not just answer my uestion,,

if its not a human then what species is it??

Exactly

Only in the movies do lib women give birth to goats instead of humans

 

[buttercup]

A skin cell contains the exact same DNA as the entire body

During an abortion the doctor does not destroy just a skin cell but the entire human life

Yes, I know, you need to direct your comment to the guy who posted this thread, who clearly missed Biology 101.

 

[cnm]

6 weeks.

One has only to see the difference between 4 and 9 weeks of pregnancy to recognise the logic of your conclusion.

 

[Chuz Life]

Actually, to my understanding, a person who is clinically braindead can be taken off of life support. So this highly implies that consciousness plays a role in the right to life.

I understand that misguided simple-minded thinking, but it's not reality and it never will be. Have you ever dealt with the ethics of taking someone off life support, personally? I have and it is nothing near as simple as you are trying to make it.

I would also like to mention existing state and Federal fetal HOMICIDE laws that do not require sapience or sentience - for a criminal to be charged with MURDER for killing one in a criminal act.

Then- let's examine case laws and court decisions that address the rights of children born with anencephalia (only a brain stem and no capacity for thoughts, feelings or ability to feel pain)

I digress.

Something tells me this is nothing but a troll thread with no sincere appreciation for any of the answers you are receiving.

 

[Midnight FM]

A skin cell contains the exact same DNA as the entire body

During an abortion the doctor does not destroy just a skin cell but the entire human life

You're essentially defining a human life as DNA. I'm skeptical of that definition. I think consciousness has something to do with it.

 

[Chuz Life]

As though the answers will not be determined by politics. Bet I can guess yours.

Maybe that's the problem in a nutshell.

You think that personhood is determined politically and I (and I hope others) see personhood as inherent in simply being a human organism, biology.