When is an embryo/fetus a human life?

[cnm]

You think that personhood is determined politically and I (and I hope others) see personhood as inherent in simply being a human organism, biology.

Sure. The Founders knew that. You know, when personhood was a political decision.

I mean, how can that be denied?

 

[Chuz Life]

Sure. The Founders knew that. You know, when personhood was a political decision.

I mean, how can that be denied?

Were the founders infallible in their beliefs and understanding?

Have we advanced in any areas of our understanding of the biological facts in the 250 years since the "founders" started this country?

 

[cnm]

The changing politics of the SBC have a lot to do with personhood status in the US.

The history of Southern Baptists shows they have not always opposed abortion

A scholar writes about how the Southern Baptist Convention’s views on abortion changed during the 1980s, when a more conservative wing seized control of the denomination.

theconversation.com

 

[cnm]

Were the founders infallible in their beliefs and understanding?

Have we advanced in any areas of our understanding of the biological facts in the 250 years since the "founders" started this country?

Apparently not, from what you say of your understanding. It appears to be derived from Bronze Age civilisations.

 

[Midnight FM]

Sure. The Founders knew that. You know, when personhood was a political decision.

I mean, how can that be denied?

Personhood is determined politically. Blacks used to be considered slaves, not "persons". The underlying biology which makes people human, regardless of race, has not changed.

So perhaps "human" is a better term than "personhood". At some point during pregnancy, a human life exists. When this point is, and how to define it is the question.

 

[Chuz Life]

Personhood is determined politically. Blacks used to be considered slaves, not "persons". The underlying biology which makes people human, regardless of race, has not changed.

So perhaps "human" is a better term than "personhood". At some point during pregnancy, a human life exists. When this point is, and how to define it is the question.

I ask again. . .

Were YOU conceived?

I know that I was.

 

[Chuz Life]

Apparently not, from what you say of your understanding. It appears to be derived from Bronze Age civilisations.

Let's examine the receipts on that. Shall we?

I base my conclusions on recent (fetal Homicide) laws, modern scientific observations made in IVF, cloning, aging and other biology advances. . . . and you defer to "the founders."

Hmmmmmn.

 

[Chuz Life]

Personhood is determined politically. Blacks used to be considered slaves, not "persons". The underlying biology which makes people human, regardless of race, has not changed.

So perhaps "human" is a better term than "personhood". At some point during pregnancy, a human life exists. When this point is, and how to define it is the question.

So we have to ask.

Were slaves not "persons" even before they were finally politically recognized as persons?

 

[Midnight FM]

So we have to ask.

Were slaves not "persons" even before they were finally politically recognized as persons?

"Persons", no. Humans, yes.

 

[Leo123]

A skin cell is human but isn't a "human life".

A human skin cell has human life of which it is a small part. That cell has all the DNA needed to replicate the whole human form. That is human LIFE. Kill the cells, you kill the LIFE.

 

[Chuz Life]

"Persons", no. Humans, yes.

https://x.com/i/grok/share/Cnd7nI9m5cFWwLBxGFevoksQp

 

[cnm]

I ask again. . .

Were YOU conceived?

I know that I was.

When did you know it?

Would have been about two years of age for me.

 

[cnm]

So we have to ask.

Were slaves not "persons" even before they were finally politically recognized as persons?

US political semantic pretzels are beyond me.

 

[Chuz Life]

When did you know it?

Would have been about two years of age for me.

Misses the point.

I was conceived; and seemingly, you agree that YOU were conceived as well.

 

[cnm]

Misses the point.

I was conceived; and seemingly, you agree that YOU were conceived as well.

Entirely the point. Conception occurred at two years of age for me.

 

[cnm]

I mean, if I don't think, I don't exist, Shirley?

Or was Descartes full of it?

 

[Chuz Life]

Entirely the point. Conception occurred at two years of age for me.

Can you prove this by explaining what it is then that makes your biological father YOUR biological "father" / Biological Parent?

 

[cnm]

Can you prove this by explaining what it is then that makes your biological father YOUR biological "father" / Biological Parent?

Prove that conception occurred for me at two years of age?

Easy. I recall nothing before that. I assume I'd remember when my life started.


I don't understand your method of 'proof'.

 

[buttercup]

Entirely the point. Conception occurred at two years of age for me.

So does that mean someone could've killed you when you were one years old, and that wouldn't have been wrong, because in your mind it was before you were "conceived"?

lol (sorry to laugh, but that is so mixed up and silly.)

 

[Chuz Life]

Prove that conception occurred for me at two years of age?

Easy. I recall nothing before that.

"What it is then that makes your biological father YOUR biological "father" / Biological Parent?"