Zone1 What the (true) saints say about Hell and how most people end up there

[ninja007]

Does the Bible teach mortal and venial sin? | GotQuestions.org

Does the Bible teach mortal and venial sin? Does the Bible distinguish between mortal sins and venial sins?

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[ninja007]

The Catholic Church does not teach works based 'salvation' as much as obedience/works sanctification/purification. Think of it as working to be perfect as our heavenly Father is perfect.

The Roman Catholic Church in the Catholic Catechism teaches that we can merit grace necessary for salvation and that, after first having faith, we attain eternal life by works, baptism, and keeping the commandments.

1. CCC 2010, “…Moved by the Holy Spirit and by charity, we can then merit for ourselves and for others the graces needed for our sanctification, for the increase of grace and charity, and for the attainment of eternal life.”
2. CCC 2027, “Moved by the Holy Spirit, we can merit for ourselves and for others all the graces needed to attain eternal life, as well as necessary temporal goods.”
3. CCC 2068, “The Council of Trent teaches that the Ten Commandments are obligatory for Christians and that the justified man is still bound to keep them;28 the Second Vatican Council confirms: “The bishops, successors of the apostles, receive from the Lord . . . the mission of teaching all peoples, and of preaching the Gospel to every creature, so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments.”

This obviously faulty teaching in the CCC is hugely problematic since it contradicts Scripture.

1. Rom. 3:28-30, “For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. 29Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.”
2. Rom. 4:3, “For what does the Scripture say? “And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.”
3. Rom. 4:5, “But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness,”
4. Rom. 5:1, “therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.”
5. Rom. 11:6, “But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.”
6. Gal. 2:16, “nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified.”

 

[Meriweather]

The Roman Catholic Church in the Catholic Catechism teaches that we can merit grace necessary for salvation and that, after first having faith, we attain eternal life by works, baptism, and keeping the commandments.

Note the importance of grace which is given freely by God and prompts actions that lead to sanctification/purification. As Paul wrote to the Philippians:

Therefore, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not only in my presence, but now even more in my absence, continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God who works in you to will and to act on behalf of His good purpose.…

Basically, it is the doctrine of the Catholic Church that salvation is God's gift to mankind. It is also our choice and our responsibility to accept God's grace which prompts us to works of obedience that sanctifies and purifies us. (This is often compared to the parable of the wedding feast, where an invitation was issued to all, but even so, all were to be properly dressed.)

It is always a good policy to present one's own beliefs/practices--not to tell someone else what their faith "really" teaches.

If you wish, tell us what your own denomination teaches about grace and the interpretation of Paul's words in Philippians about working out salvation. I know some believe they are purified/sanctified by the blood of Christ and therefore have no need to worry at all about committing sins in this present life. And sin they do. Once I spoke with a person who was truly proud of sinning as it no longer mattered. That, of course, is the opposite of Catholic belief and what the Catholic Church teaches.

 

[nomadic5]

The Roman Catholic Church in the Catholic Catechism teaches that we can merit grace necessary for salvation and that, after first having faith, we attain eternal life by works, baptism, and keeping the commandments.

As per usual, Protestants get Catholicism WRONG.

Catholics say that works are not what saves you. Nevertheless, you cannot get to Heaven without doing good works for Christ and the furtherance of His Kingdom on EArth

Catholicism teaches (or did until Francis the heretic came along) that it is GRACE that saves, grace that comes from Jesus Christ.

Doing good works in and with and through Christ brings... what?

GRACE

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