Zone1 What Jesus endured, we also must endure or we won't make it to Heaven

[hobelim]

"I have not come to abolish the Law but to fulfill it"

Exactly. To fulfill the law is to comply with its demands. Jesus said that those who had faith would do as he was doing, complying with the deeper implications of the written words used in the Law.

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside even one of the least of these commands, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven,"

To understand what Jesus meant by saying "Will be called LEAST",..... See Genesis 3:14

If the consequence for defying the Law of God (as you do at every mass) is death, then to teach others to do what you are doing at mass amounts to murder. You are a murderer in the same way that "Satan was a murderer from the beginning", even though he didn't kill anyone in the fairy tale



Have a nice day!

 

[zaangalewa]

What Jesus endured, we also must endure ...​

And? Did you find someone who likes to crucify you, Brian? You should be able to find enough people who like it - unless they are Christians.

 

[Z99]

I never said you were an asshole. I just said you don't act very Christian.

Well, that's what I get for trying to reconcile with you.

 

[hadit]

Freedom is found via the way/will of God. Otherwise, we are stuck with what is likely the worst and most selfish taskmaster of all--oneself, doing nothing.

I look at it this way. A motorcycle rider loves the "freedom of the open road". Hmmm. How free is that bike if you go OFF the road?

 

[Ace Nova]

I agree!

"I have not come to bring peace but a sword"

"Take, from my hand, this cup of fiery wine and make all the nations to whom I send you drink it. When they have drunk it they will vomit and go mad; such is the sword that I am sending among them"

"From his mouth there went a sharp sword with which to smite the nations"

"Take this cup of wine and drink from it, all of you. This is a cup of my blood, the blood of the covenant"

Just art thou, in these thy judgments, thou Holy One who art and wast; for they shed the blood of thy people and of thy prophets and thou hast given them blood to drink"

"This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: Drink, get drunk and vomit, and fall to rise no more because of the sword I will send among you."

He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword.



THE SWORD IS A CURSE UNDER THE APPEARANCE OF A CUP OF WINE.

You are LITERALLY inventing your own quotes, based on your perverse, conspiracy theory riddle - false interpretations of scripture and then quoting them as scripture.

Where is the following phrase directly quoted in the Bible......???

"Take, from my hand, this cup of fiery wine and make all the nations to whom I send you drink it. When they have drunk it they will vomit and go mad; such is the sword that I am sending among them"



As far as the rest - you take a few words - barely a sentence from a various books of the Old Testament - written in completely different times - by prophets speaking of specific wars, redemption against enemies of Israel, etc - completely unrelated to most of what Jesus taught.

You seem like a smart guy - try to do better.

Revelation 2:

24 “ ‘ “And I say to the rest of you in Thyatira who have not accepted this teaching and who have no knowledge of what are designated as the deep secrets of Satan,[m] I shall not impose any further burden on you, 25 but hold firmly to what you have until I come.

 

[BackAgain]

Life is full of crosses and we all have to carry them, like it or not. The only alternative is to kill yourself, but that is when your troubles will REALLY begin, according to the ancient Christian Church (which is Catholic, the only one that goes back to the FIRST century [again, not speaking of the Vatican sect which is no longer Catholic]).

The True Catholic Faith teaches it's a mortal sin to kill yourself and you will (very likely) go straight to Hell. I say Very likely reluctantly because it would seem anyone who does this goes to Hell, but only God knows who goes to Hell or not. However, I say, Why take a chance?

So anyhow, if Christians feel crucified a lot -- because people don't agree w/ them on this and that.. because others don't like them mentioning Jesus "all the time" and etc... well, as the Original Church also taught, we are all called to be alter cristus (I believe that is the correct term), which means being another Christ.

Jesus said that whatever is done to the least of His people is done to Him. (Mt 25:31) so Doesn't that mean that He lives in us and therefore suffers with us through all that we go through?

Why this is so is a great mystery... seeing as how God could, if He wanted to.. remove all suffering from the Earth. Instead, we suffer along with Christ (who lives in us).

We don't like it..

But it is what it is...

Jesus endured crucifixion.

I think I’ll pass.

 

[forkintheroad7]

Jesus endured crucifixion.

I think I’ll pass.

 

[forkintheroad7]

We have different "crucifixions" than Jesus but they hurt as His did:

bad govt policies are one
bribum being president 4 years (HUGE one there)
knowing babies are being murdered by the millions in the US and we can't do much more to stop it...
not being able to be in the Real, tangible Presence of Jesus Christ 24/7 .. HUGE one

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Jesus endured crucifixion.

I think I’ll pass.

EVERYONE who's place in the Kingdom is assured, endured horrible death. But their reward is great -& and eternal.

 

[toobfreak]

What Jesus endured, we also must endure or we won't make it to Heaven​

Nope. Sorry, no, that is wrong. I'm not buying it.

Jesus died on a cross for our sins so that we WOULDN'T have to go through what he did.

 

[BackAgain]

EVERYONE who's place in the Kingdom is assured, endured horrible death.

I don’t think that’s true. Many who have died have gone easily. They still should be eligible for Heaven.

But their reward is great -& and eternal.

If there is a Heaven, I agree it is a wonderful reward.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Nope. Sorry, no, that is wrong. I'm not buying it.

Jesus died on a cross for our sins so that we WOULDN'T have to go through what he did.

Tell that to Stephen, Peter, Paul and every other apostle, disciple and prophet. Read Foxe's Book of Martyrs

Jesus even promised true Christians probably won't make it out of this life without Martyrdom

 

[toobfreak]

I don’t think that’s true. Many who have died have gone easily. They still should be eligible for Heaven.

Welp, BA, if the christian view is that you must die a horrible, suffering death to go to Heaven as our many Christian "experts" here tout, then I guess none of the Popes ever went to Heaven.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Welp, BA, if the christian view is that you must die a horrible, suffering death to go to Heaven as our many Christian "experts" here tout, then I guess none of the Popes ever went to Heaven.

Nobody is in heaven. The dead are in the grave awaiting the Judgement

 

[NotYankee]

The Book of Mormon contains Eve's testimony where She said, it was necessary to Sin inorder to get what they wanted: to have children and to get out of the Garden.
Thus, sin is usurping the Creator King and deciding good and evil for ourselves, to get what we want.

 

[toobfreak]

Nobody is in heaven. The dead are in the grave awaiting the Judgement

You know Carl, I put you on Iggy for a long time over your food horseshit attacking people for their views. Don't give me another reason to put you back on ignore claiming that a person's soul reside in limbo for an eternity waiting for some "judgement" at the end of time much like a common criminal while their former body has long since turned to dust in the ground.

When you die, the Soul is done with earthy life and moves on, either to Heaven, Hell or somewhere else, it is "judged" and moves on. More often than not, to that somewhere else.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

You know Carl, I put you on Iggy for a long time over your food horseshit attacking people for their views. Don't give me another reason to put you back on ignore claiming that a person's soul reside in limbo for an eternity waiting for some "judgement" at the end of time much like a common criminal while their former body has long since turned to dust in the ground.

When you die, the Soul is done with earthy life and moves on, either to Heaven, Hell or somewhere else, it is "judged" and moves on. More often than not, to that somewhere else.

I honestly don't give a damn if you put me on ignore or not. Persecution for speaking His Truth is part of the deal. If you don't like that I express my opinion just like everyone else, PUT ME IN YOUR IGNORE LIST.

Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me

 

[Carl in Michigan]

When you die, the Soul is done with earthy life and moves on, either to Heaven, Hell or somewhere else, it is "judged" and moves on. More often than not, to that somewhere else

^^^
THIS is OPINION and not Biblically based FACT

 

[toobfreak]

I honestly don't give a damn if you put me on ignore or not.

OK. Bye.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Don't give me another reason to put you back on ignore claiming

Translation, I don't want disagreement that challenges my beliefs.

First of all, I don't have your concept of the soul. You DONT have a soul that goes anywhere when you die.

When you die, you CEASE TO EXIST until the RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD. You don't go to heaven, hell or limbo. You no longer exist.

Eternal existence is a GIFT of God