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[M14 Shooter]

Suffice to say, Nato came into existence, on false pretenses, to serve America's goal of eliminating all competition.

This is a topic worthy of discussion - can you prove your statement true?

 

[M14 Shooter]

No, I've just introduced a point or points that you're not capable of understanding. If you wish to direct your disagreement to any specific issue then I won't be running from a debate.

^^^^
This is a lie.
When your positions are successully challenged - an easy enough thing to do - you play the "meanie!!" card, tuck tail and run away.
Happens ever time.

 

[Oldestyle]

No, I've just introduced a point or points that you're not capable of understanding. If you wish to direct your disagreement to any specific issue then I won't be running from a debate.

America established military bases throughout the world after the allied victory provided the legitimacy to do so. America still occupies Japan for reasons other than smelling the cherry blossoms.

Should America come home from all over the world and not spend the money on occupation?

The sun never sets on the British/American empire!

Go play.

It's not that I don't understand your points, Donald...it's that I find them laughable! You honestly think that America "occupies" Japan even now? The truth is that America established military bases throughout the world to combat the spread of communism. We don't occupy Japan...we PROTECT Japan!

 

[AZrailwhale]

No, I don't think Canada has a vigilante history to any extent but I invite you to back up your assumption.

I'm not really sure that the US did either if the racist component isn't considered. Lynching blacks for their skin colour can never be considered vigilante justice. You would have to provide other examples.

And don't try Hollywood duster bullshit in the moves on me!

Since you are the Canadian, you could tell us what the many isolated communities did for law enforcement? There were always a finite and I believe small number of Mounties to cover vast areas.

 

[AZrailwhale]

I have a slightly different view to yours. America was the land of opportunity because it was a very rich country in resources and that was well developed. It couldn't help but succeed and people succeeded too, even though there was and has always been huge income inequality.

But the world's resources became competed for and competition became much harder for America to keep up to. Even though for many years, especially since WW2, America attempted to corner more than just a share of the world's resources with it's many wars of aggression.

Now the worm has turned and very powerful competition has come up to compete with America. No longer can America plunder the world's small resource rich countries. It must utilize it's immense wealth within. And that's why huge problems are developing with the working class people. The ordinary people are angry because they're coming to understand that they are entitled to a share of the great American pie.

Trump grasped the opportunity to be their saviour, but he lied and never did intend to bring about the obvious change that is needed. But the working class still want what they're missing and they still believe that Trump is going to magically deliver.

I predict that anything, including fascism is now possible in America, if the people believe in Trump needing that freedom to act in order to fulfill his promises.

The comparisons to Hitler and the rise of the 3rd. Reich are starkly obvious!

Will Trump's train fall off the tracks before it gets there?

Your country had all the same advantages, but never succeeded. How do you explain that? Most immigrants came here rather than go to Canada. Why was that?

 

[AZrailwhale]

A little more on my theory above, but regarding Hitler's Germany.
Germany came very close to succeeding but eventually fell short due to military shortages. That's not the case for America if it indeed attempts world control without any significant competition. However, like an omen from above, assuming such a thing could exist, nuclear arms appeared on the world scene.
That deterrent has forever taken away the opportunity for another Hitler. Not Russia, China, the US, or any other major power can help itself to it all. It must now become a popularity contest amongst the world's superpowers.

Question: Are there other factors that can grant any of the big three more than their share?

Hitler never came close to victory, never. Even if he had managed to pull off Sealion and conquer England, the Empire would have still fought, as long as The Empire fought, he had no chance of conquering the USSR. And the final icing on the cake was declaring war on a country that dwarfed Germany in population, resources and industrial might. He couldn’t even attack the US, but we had designs on the drawing boards to bomb Germany from US bases and return like the B-36.

 

[AZrailwhale]

It's not that I don't understand your points, Donald...it's that I find them laughable! You honestly think that America "occupies" Japan even now? The truth is that America established military bases throughout the world to combat the spread of communism. We don't occupy Japan...we PROTECT Japan!

We have a very strange method of occupation, when a host country asks us to leave we do. We don’t even destroy the expensive bases we built. When the Philippines asked us to leave, we did. When the Japanese asked us to leave Okinawa, we did. When the Iraqis asked us to leave we did. In WWII we conquered a large portion of the world, we didn’t stay in most places, and all we asked in return was enough land to bury our dead. We don’t even ask that anymore. We rescued Kuwait from Saddam, didn’t ask for a dime or square foot of land. We spent lives separating warring factions in the Balkans so they could create their own countries in peace and never asked for anything in return. England never operated that way, neither did Germany, France, Japan, China (both past and present) or any other world power.

 

[Oldestyle]

We have a very strange method of occupation, when a host country asks us to leave we do. We don’t even destroy the expensive bases we built. When the Philippines asked us to leave, we did. When the Japanese asked us to leave Okinawa, we did. When the Iraqis asked us to leave we did. In WWII we conquered a large portion of the world, we didn’t stay in most places, and all we asked in return was enough land to bury our dead. We don’t even ask that anymore. We rescued Kuwait from Saddam, didn’t ask for a dime or square foot of land. We spent lives separating warring factions in the Balkans so they could create their own countries in peace and never asked for anything in return. England never operated that way, neither did Germany, France, Japan, China (both past and present) or any other world power.

And yet people claim that we're the "bad guys"? Kind of makes you wonder...doesn't it? LOL

 

[AZrailwhale]

And yet people claim that we're the "bad guys"? Kind of makes you wonder...doesn't it? LOL

It doesn’t make me wonder, but then I have a halfway functional brain.

 

[Donald H]

Hitler never came close to victory, never.

Wrong. The US nearly didn't enter the war, late. And half of Americans still don't think they should have gone to war against Germany. Your short little narrative doesn't even begin to tell the whole story.

 

[Donald H]

Your country had all the same advantages, but never succeeded. How do you explain that? Most immigrants came here rather than go to Canada. Why was that?

Ridiculous! The US has ten times the population as Canada and thus more opportunity for immigrants for many years. Canada has always taken in it's quota and has now exceeded the US on taking in immigrants.

 

[Donald H]

Since you are the Canadian, you could tell us what the many isolated communities did for law enforcement? There were always a finite and I believe small number of Mounties to cover vast areas.

We've always had enough Mounties in rural or isolated areas to maintain lower levels of crime than the US.
Learn something about your topic or be embarrassed by your ignorance.

Also, limit your replies to me to no more than two a day. I don't have time for you alone. Combine your criticisms into fewer messages or you'll be ignored.

 

[Donald H]

It's not that I don't understand your points, Donald...it's that I find them laughable! You honestly think that America "occupies" Japan even now? The truth is that America established military bases throughout the world to combat the spread of communism. We don't occupy Japan...we PROTECT Japan!

You think you protect Japan but the enemy is imaginary or manufactured to serve US purposes throughout the world.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Wrong. The US nearly didn't enter the war, late.

The US entry in the war did not defeat Hitler.
Your short little narrative doesn't even begin to tell the whole story.

And half of Americans still don't think they should have gone to war against Germany.

This is worthy of discussion - demonstrate your claim to be true.

 

[Oldestyle]

Wrong. The US nearly didn't enter the war, late. And half of Americans still don't think they should have gone to war against Germany. Your short little narrative doesn't even begin to tell the whole story.

With all due respect, Donald? Your knowledge of history is sketchy at best. FDR may not have officially declared war on Germany early on but he was sending military equipment to Great Britain as part of the Lend Lease program even before the US entered the conflict.

 

[Oldestyle]

You think you protect Japan but the enemy is imaginary or manufactured to serve US purposes throughout the world.

Yes, I think that the US protects Japan. I also think that we protect Canada. The truth is...we protect most of the free world and have for quite some time.
As for the enemy being "imaginary"? Ask someone who's Polish if the Soviet threat was "imaginary" when they were forced to live under the USSR's thumb for decades? Ask someone from Cambodia if communism was an "imaginary" threat under Pol Pot!

 

[AZrailwhale]

Wrong. The US nearly didn't enter the war, late. And half of Americans still don't think they should have gone to war against Germany. Your short little narrative doesn't even begin to tell the whole story.

What had Germany done to the USA? We certainly had no agreements with Poland to guarantee its sovereignty. Until FDR started illegally escorting BRITISH convoys and providing the BRITISH with the sinews of war, Germany wasn't sinking American ships. We had no mutual defense treaties with France, Holland or the UK. Was Germany an expansionist state in the mid to late thirties? YES. Was Hitler an evil megalomaniac? YES. He was Europe's problem, not the USA's. Would we eventually have had to fight Germany? Probably unless Hitler died or was deposed by his political enemies. So no, the USA shouldn't have gone to war with Germany in December 1941. It certainly shouldn't have been supporting the UK in its war with Germany. By international law, neutrals are required to treat all combatants equally. FDR tilted the USA's neutrality to the UK's benefit far more than Sweden tilted its neutrality towards Germany and with far less reason. Sweden was paying off the Germans not to invade by making itself useful to them. The USA was in no danger from anyone.

 

[AZrailwhale]

We've always had enough Mounties in rural or isolated areas to maintain lower levels of crime than the US.
Learn something about your topic or be embarrassed by your ignorance.

Also, limit your replies to me to no more than two a day. I don't have time for you alone. Combine your criticisms into fewer messages or you'll be ignored.

Screw you AND the horse you rode in on. You don't make the rules around here. Please put me on ignore, you are nothing except an ignorant troll anyway.

 

[AZrailwhale]

With all due respect, Donald? Your knowledge of history is sketchy at best. FDR may not have officially declared war on Germany early on but he was sending military equipment to Great Britain as part of the Lend Lease program even before the US entered the conflict.

He was also using US warships to escort British convoys halfway across the Atlantic and had issued instructions for US warships to attack German warships and aircraft on sight anywhere on our side of the MOMP (Mid Ocean Meeting Point) the line of demarcation HE established in international waters. German U Boats, ships and aircraft had as much right to transit the Atlantic as British ones did. FDR was fighting a secret war against Germany in violation of international law for much, if not all, of 1941. The RAF PBY Catalina that tracked Bismarck was flown by an American pilot. I have read that US battleships and a carrier had been sent to intercept Bismarck if she tried to cross FDR's demarcation line in international waters.

 

[Donald H]

Yes, I think that the US protects Japan. I also think that we protect Canada. The truth is...we protect most of the free world and have for quite some time.
As for the enemy being "imaginary"? Ask someone who's Polish if the Soviet threat was "imaginary" when they were forced to live under the USSR's thumb for decades? Ask someone from Cambodia if communism was an "imaginary" threat under Pol Pot!

The only country that Canada will need protection from is the US. If America swerves too far toward fascism the Commonwealth might install the nuclear deterrent from US aggression.