CDZ What should we do with polygamy?

[Dante]

Why it is still illegal?

because no one has been able to challenge it successfully on legal grounds?

 

[koshergrl]

You think the argument that it lends itself to human rights violations doesn't wash in court?
That's funny, because it did...hence the fact that it's illegal today.

 

[Dante]

Yeah, this is what the CDZ is a joke. There are people who really, truly want to be considered capable debaters who come here and crap all through the threads. cough*dante*cough.

irony alert

 

[Dante]

You think the argument that it lends itself to human rights violations doesn't wash in court?
That's funny, because it did...hence the fact that it's illegal today.

simply stating something violates a vague human right does not a legal argument make

 

[RKMBrown]

Why it is still illegal? if polygamy is a part of your religion? I'm not talking about compounds with prophets assigning wives to old men, I mean families that are just trying to follow their beliefs, no abuse. Ok I have a new question: If polygamy is illegal, meaning you cannot marry more than one person, then why do families living in the suburbs face arrests and criminal charges for practicing it even though legally the man is only married to 1 woman. Say a man is sleeping with his secretary and she get's pregnant and he has children from his wife and now his secretary, why does he not get arrested?
You must admit that all this legalization of homosexual marriages is to lead to allowing polygamy in the US.
Who cares?
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It's illegal for the same reason booze was illegal, which is the same reason non-prescription drugs are illegal, which is the same reason gay marriage is illegal...

Authoritarian and primarily religious jerks that refuse to mind their own business.

 

[Dante]

As the Salt Lake Tribune reads the decision, (Utah Local News - Salt Lake City News Sports Archive - The Salt Lake Tribune U.S. District Judge Clark Waddoups says the part of the law that prohibits cohabitation between adults to whom they are not legally married violates both the First and 14th Amendments.

The paper adds:

"Utah law made such a union a felony punishable by up to five years in prison. Waddoups said the ban violated the First and 14th amendments to the Constitution.

"Waddoups let stand the portion of the statute that prevents someone from having more than one active marriage license.

Federal Judge Strikes Down Part Of Utah s Polygamy Ban The Two-Way NPR​

 

[koshergrl]

You think the argument that it lends itself to human rights violations doesn't wash in court?
That's funny, because it did...hence the fact that it's illegal today.

simply stating something violates a vague human right does not a legal argument make

Please stop pretending you have a superior understanding of the law. It's embarrassing and does nothing to further whatever argument it is you think you're making.

 

[Dante]

Why it is still illegal? if polygamy is a part of your religion? I'm not talking about compounds with prophets assigning wives to old men, I mean families that are just trying to follow their beliefs, no abuse. Ok I have a new question: If polygamy is illegal, meaning you cannot marry more than one person, then why do families living in the suburbs face arrests and criminal charges for practicing it even though legally the man is only married to 1 woman. Say a man is sleeping with his secretary and she get's pregnant and he has children from his wife and now his secretary, why does he not get arrested?
You must admit that all this legalization of homosexual marriages is to lead to allowing polygamy in the US.
Who cares?
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It's illegal for the same reason booze was illegal, which is the same reason non-prescription drugs are illegal, which is the same reason gay marriage is illegal...

Authoritarian and primarily religious jerks that refuse to mind their own business.

huh?

 

[Dante]

You think the argument that it lends itself to human rights violations doesn't wash in court?
That's funny, because it did...hence the fact that it's illegal today.

simply stating something violates a vague human right does not a legal argument make

Please stop pretending you have a superior understanding of the law. It's embarrassing and does nothing to further whatever argument it is you think you're making.

superior? We blush

but why can't you simply make a legal argument for why something should or should NOT be considered legal?

 

[Dante]

Why it is still illegal?

because no one has been able to challenge it successfully on legal grounds?

example:

koshergirl "Why it is still illegal?"

Dante: "because no one has been able to challenge it successfully on legal grounds?"

koshergirl considers this an attempt at superior argument?

 

[koshergrl]

"§ 7. Definition of ‘marriage’ and ‘spouse’

‘‘In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of
any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative
bureaus and agencies of the United States, the word ‘marriage’
means only a legal union between one man and one woman as
husband and wife, and the word ‘spouse’ refers only to a person
of the opposite sex who is a husband or a wife.’’.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-104hr3396enr/pdf/BILLS-104hr3396enr.pdf

I suppose what dante is trying to assert is that now since marriage no longer is two people of the opposite sex, we should allow anyone to marry anybody or anything they like.

Which is why we didn't want to change the definition of marriage, knowing that the depraved minority would take it as a green light. As they are.

 

[rightwinger]

You think the argument that it lends itself to human rights violations doesn't wash in court?
That's funny, because it did...hence the fact that it's illegal today.

What violations?

If human rights are being violated, prosecute that offense

 

[koshergrl]

You think the argument that it lends itself to human rights violations doesn't wash in court?
That's funny, because it did...hence the fact that it's illegal today.

simply stating something violates a vague human right does not a legal argument make

Please stop pretending you have a superior understanding of the law. It's embarrassing and does nothing to further whatever argument it is you think you're making.

superior? We blush

but why can't you simply make a legal argument for why something should or should NOT be considered legal?

I'm not interested in making a *legal* argument, particularly not making a *legal argument* based on your arbitrary dictates. What nonsense you spout. You come into the thread, you determine that the participants must abide by YOUR rules, and only offer up *legal argument*..based on YOUR definition of what *legal argument* is. Give it a rest. You aren't the debate boss, even if you were able to pull off debate in the first place.

 

[koshergrl]

Why it is still illegal?

because no one has been able to challenge it successfully on legal grounds?

example:

koshergirl "Why it is still illegal?"

Dante: "because no one has been able to challenge it successfully on legal grounds?"

koshergirl considers this an attempt at superior argument?

That wasn't my argument. You not only failed to form your own argument, you are assigning arguments to others that were never made..and then declaring victory.

My argument was that it was still illegal because it is considered a breeding ground of human rights violations, and because it doesn't meet the legal definition of marriage in this country.

And that is exactly why polygamy is still illegal. It isn't because someone didn't make a legal argument that you approve of. It's because the reasons behind the original banning of it are still valid. We don't have to RE-ASSERT the need for it every time some idiot online starts blabbing.

 

[Dante]

"§ 7. Definition of ‘marriage’ and ‘spouse’

‘‘In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of
any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative
bureaus and agencies of the United States, the word ‘marriage’
means only a legal union between one man and one woman as
husband and wife, and the word ‘spouse’ refers only to a person
of the opposite sex who is a husband or a wife.’’.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-104hr3396enr/pdf/BILLS-104hr3396enr.pdf

I suppose what dante is trying to assert is that now since marriage no longer is two people of the opposite sex, we should allow anyone to marry anybody or anything they like.

Which is why we didn't want to change the definition of marriage, knowing that the depraved minority would take it as a green light. As they are.

huh? read what Dante has actually said, nit what you imagine he would say,

no one has changed the definition of marriage. The Court was NEVER asked to rule on a definition of marriage as a term

 

[Dante]

You think the argument that it lends itself to human rights violations doesn't wash in court?
That's funny, because it did...hence the fact that it's illegal today.

simply stating something violates a vague human right does not a legal argument make

Please stop pretending you have a superior understanding of the law. It's embarrassing and does nothing to further whatever argument it is you think you're making.

superior? We blush

but why can't you simply make a legal argument for why something should or should NOT be considered legal?

I'm not interested in making a *legal* argument, particularly not making a *legal argument* based on your arbitrary dictates. What nonsense you spout. You come into the thread, you determine that the participants must abide by YOUR rules, and only offer up *legal argument*..based on YOUR definition of what *legal argument* is. Give it a rest. You aren't the debate boss, even if you were able to pull off debate in the first place.

a legal argument is one that would get you into a court room,

 

[koshergrl]

"§ 7. Definition of ‘marriage’ and ‘spouse’

‘‘In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of
any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative
bureaus and agencies of the United States, the word ‘marriage’
means only a legal union between one man and one woman as
husband and wife, and the word ‘spouse’ refers only to a person
of the opposite sex who is a husband or a wife.’’.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-104hr3396enr/pdf/BILLS-104hr3396enr.pdf

I suppose what dante is trying to assert is that now since marriage no longer is two people of the opposite sex, we should allow anyone to marry anybody or anything they like.

Which is why we didn't want to change the definition of marriage, knowing that the depraved minority would take it as a green light. As they are.

huh? read what Dante has actually said, nit what you imagine he would say,

no one has changed the definition of marriage. The Court was NEVER asked to rule on a definition of marriage as a term

You aren't equipped to be discussing this. Sorry. ttyl. Or not.

 

[RKMBrown]

Why it is still illegal? if polygamy is a part of your religion? I'm not talking about compounds with prophets assigning wives to old men, I mean families that are just trying to follow their beliefs, no abuse. Ok I have a new question: If polygamy is illegal, meaning you cannot marry more than one person, then why do families living in the suburbs face arrests and criminal charges for practicing it even though legally the man is only married to 1 woman. Say a man is sleeping with his secretary and she get's pregnant and he has children from his wife and now his secretary, why does he not get arrested?
You must admit that all this legalization of homosexual marriages is to lead to allowing polygamy in the US.
Who cares?
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It's illegal for the same reason booze was illegal, which is the same reason non-prescription drugs are illegal, which is the same reason gay marriage is illegal...

Authoritarian and primarily religious jerks that refuse to mind their own business.

What part of people refusing to mind their own business, is confusing you enough to say .. huh?

 

[Dante]

My argument was that it was still illegal because it is considered a breeding ground of human rights violations, and because it doesn't meet the legal definition of marriage in this country.


And that is exactly why polygamy is still illegal.
... It's because the reasons behind the original banning of it are still valid.

really? Human rights violations? This is like the Obamacare mandate -- to be found in the both the ruling and/or the law itself?

 

[Dante]

Why it is still illegal? if polygamy is a part of your religion? I'm not talking about compounds with prophets assigning wives to old men, I mean families that are just trying to follow their beliefs, no abuse. Ok I have a new question: If polygamy is illegal, meaning you cannot marry more than one person, then why do families living in the suburbs face arrests and criminal charges for practicing it even though legally the man is only married to 1 woman. Say a man is sleeping with his secretary and she get's pregnant and he has children from his wife and now his secretary, why does he not get arrested?
You must admit that all this legalization of homosexual marriages is to lead to allowing polygamy in the US.
Who cares?
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It's illegal for the same reason booze was illegal, which is the same reason non-prescription drugs are illegal, which is the same reason gay marriage is illegal...

Authoritarian and primarily religious jerks that refuse to mind their own business.

What part of people refusing to mind their own business, is confusing you enough to say .. huh?

you advocating anarchy?