Zone1 What rituals are necessary for salvation?

[ding]

Life is neither fair or unfair. Humans create that. For you people its all about sin and suffering for the sake of suffering. Thats a mental disorder

Many Old Testament (OT) texts grapple with the theme that life is unfair, often exploring the tension between a just God and the unjust suffering experienced in a broken world. While the Old Testament frequently links suffering to disobedience (Deuteronomy), it also contains significant literature that challenges this, posing profound questions about why bad things happen to good people and why the wicked often prosper.

Here is how the theme of life being unfair is addressed across the Old Testament:

Key OT Texts Exploring Unfairness

• The Book of Job: This is the primary exploration of undeserved suffering. Job, a righteous man, loses everything, challenging the traditional "retribution theology" that implies if you suffer, you must have sinned. The book ultimately leaves the "why" unanswered, focusing instead on trusting God despite the unfairness.
• Ecclesiastes: The author (Qoheleth) frequently observes that life is "chasing the wind" because the same fate (death) awaits the righteous and the wicked, and the wicked often prosper while the righteous suffer.
• Psalms of Lament (e.g., Psalm 73): The psalmist Asaph openly struggles with jealousy at the prosperity of the wicked while he suffers despite trying to live a pure life.
• Habakkuk: The prophet directly questions God about the injustice and violence he sees, asking why God tolerates wrongdoing and why the righteous suffer.
• The Story of Joseph: Joseph endures years of unfair treatment—enslaved by his brothers, falsely accused, and imprisoned—before ultimately being vindicated, illustrating that unfairness can be part of a larger divine purpose.
  

Reasons Offered for Unfairness in the OT

• A Fallen World: The "unfairness" began with Adam and Eve’s choice, introducing sin and death, which makes life inherently chaotic and unfair rather than reflecting God’s design.
• The "Why" is a Mystery: Rather than giving a simple reason, many texts suggest that human suffering is too great to be fully explained, inviting a response of faith, lament, and trust rather than intellectual satisfaction.
• Testing and Refinement: Adversity is often portrayed as a method to test, refine, and deepen a person's faith, as seen in the trials of Abraham and Joseph.
• God’s Sovereignty: Even in unfair situations, the texts often highlight that God is still in control and will bring justice in his own time.
  

While the Old Testament contains many stories of unjust suffering, it generally pairs this theme with the promise that God is a defender of the oppressed, hearing their cries, and that he will eventually bring justice.

 

[ding]

Life is neither fair or unfair. Humans create that. For you people its all about sin and suffering for the sake of suffering. Thats a mental disorder

Blaming God for genocide is evil.

Genocide in the Hebrew Bible - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Hafar1014]

Many Old Testament (OT) texts grapple with the theme that life is unfair, often exploring the tension between a just God and the unjust suffering experienced in a broken world. While the Old Testament frequently links suffering to disobedience (Deuteronomy), it also contains significant literature that challenges this, posing profound questions about why bad things happen to good people and why the wicked often prosper.

Here is how the theme of life being unfair is addressed across the Old Testament:

Key OT Texts Exploring Unfairness

• The Book of Job: This is the primary exploration of undeserved suffering. Job, a righteous man, loses everything, challenging the traditional "retribution theology" that implies if you suffer, you must have sinned. The book ultimately leaves the "why" unanswered, focusing instead on trusting God despite the unfairness.
• Ecclesiastes: The author (Qoheleth) frequently observes that life is "chasing the wind" because the same fate (death) awaits the righteous and the wicked, and the wicked often prosper while the righteous suffer.
• Psalms of Lament (e.g., Psalm 73): The psalmist Asaph openly struggles with jealousy at the prosperity of the wicked while he suffers despite trying to live a pure life.
• Habakkuk: The prophet directly questions God about the injustice and violence he sees, asking why God tolerates wrongdoing and why the righteous suffer.
• The Story of Joseph: Joseph endures years of unfair treatment—enslaved by his brothers, falsely accused, and imprisoned—before ultimately being vindicated, illustrating that unfairness can be part of a larger divine purpose.

Reasons Offered for Unfairness in the OT

• A Fallen World: The "unfairness" began with Adam and Eve’s choice, introducing sin and death, which makes life inherently chaotic and unfair rather than reflecting God’s design.
• The "Why" is a Mystery: Rather than giving a simple reason, many texts suggest that human suffering is too great to be fully explained, inviting a response of faith, lament, and trust rather than intellectual satisfaction.
• Testing and Refinement: Adversity is often portrayed as a method to test, refine, and deepen a person's faith, as seen in the trials of Abraham and Joseph.
• God’s Sovereignty: Even in unfair situations, the texts often highlight that God is still in control and will bring justice in his own time.

While the Old Testament contains many stories of unjust suffering, it generally pairs this theme with the promise that God is a defender of the oppressed, hearing their cries, and that he will eventually bring justice.

LIfe is not unfair its free from bias. Humans create unfairness. Your life may be unfair thats your problem

 

[TNHarley]

Yes of course...but I have an eternity after this life. What do you have? Why aren't you making the very most?

So its ok for you to do it, but not me. Gotcha.

 

[SweetSue92]

So its ok for you to do it, but not me. Gotcha.

Of course it's okay for you to do. You're not breaking any laws or anything. I'm saying if I thought I had 80 years here and no more, I'd be mindful of how I spend them.....

 

[TNHarley]

Of course it's okay for you to do. You're not breaking any laws or anything. I'm saying if I thought I had 80 years here and no more, I'd be mindful of how I spend them.....

I will use them being logical and rational.

 

[ding]

LIfe is not unfair its free from bias. Humans create unfairness. Your life may be unfair thats your problem

You are arguing against your own religious texts. Which isn't surprising to me because you quite often take stances opposite of what your faith teaches. I suspect you are an atheist and don't believe your own religion.

 

[Hafar1014]

You are arguing against your own religious texts. Which isn't surprising to me because you quite often take stances opposite of what your faith teaches. I suspect you are an atheist and don't believe your own religion.

I have my own beliefs based on my life experience. My faith is in me. Life is not unfair its neutral. People are unfair. If you believe life is unfair thats because you see yourself as a perpetual victim.

 

[TNHarley]

You are arguing against your own religious texts. Which isn't surprising to me because you quite often take stances opposite of what your faith teaches. I suspect you are an atheist and don't believe your own religion.

The lack of self awareness in this post is astronomical. Simply mind blowing how someone can be so old, and completely oblivious of themselves. Its sad.

 

[ding]

I have my own beliefs based on my life experience. My faith is in me. Life is not unfair its neutral. People are unfair. If you believe life is unfair thats because you see yourself as a perpetual victim.

Yes, people are unfair and so is life. Bad things happen to good people that have nothing to do with other people being unfair to them.

Life is inherently unfair, often manifesting through the "lottery of birth," where some are born into privilege while others face poverty. Major inequalities include, good people suffering while immoral ones thrive, hard work not guaranteeing success, and random tragedies like illness or natural disasters affecting innocent lives.

Examples of Inherent Unfairness:

• The Lottery of Birth: Being born into poverty, warzones, or unsafe environments versus being born into wealth, health, and opportunity.
• Health and Genetics: Some people are born with, or develop, debilitating diseases despite living healthy lives, while others remain healthy despite harmful habits.
• Natural Disasters/Accidents: Random events that destroy homes or lives, such as earthquakes, floods, or pandemics, which indiscriminately affect individuals.
• Talent and Intelligence Disparities: Inherent differences in physical ability or cognitive talent, allowing some to excel easily while others struggle despite working harder.

 

[ding]

The lack of self awareness in this post is astronomical. Simply mind blowing how someone can be so old, and completely oblivious of themselves. Its sad.

Maybe look in a mirror.

 

[TNHarley]

Maybe look in a mirror.

I walk around with one. Im too handsome not to.

 

[ding]

I walk around with one. Im too handsome not to.

Most people who worship themselves do.

 

[luiza]

What rituals are necessary for salvation?

First --- brush your teeth
Then spit out all the surplus .

 

[Hafar1014]

Yes, people are unfair and so is life. Bad things happen to good people that have nothing to do with other people being unfair to them.

Life is inherently unfair, often manifesting through the "lottery of birth," where some are born into privilege while others face poverty. Major inequalities include, good people suffering while immoral ones thrive, hard work not guaranteeing success, and random tragedies like illness or natural disasters affecting innocent lives.

Examples of Inherent Unfairness:

• The Lottery of Birth: Being born into poverty, warzones, or unsafe environments versus being born into wealth, health, and opportunity.
• Health and Genetics: Some people are born with, or develop, debilitating diseases despite living healthy lives, while others remain healthy despite harmful habits.
• Natural Disasters/Accidents: Random events that destroy homes or lives, such as earthquakes, floods, or pandemics, which indiscriminately affect individuals.
• Talent and Intelligence Disparities: Inherent differences in physical ability or cognitive talent, allowing some to excel easily while others struggle despite working harder.

So you see yourself as a victim. Its much better to define yourself as a survivor. Victims are losers thats what it means. The most important aspect of success is not genetics. Its development during the fist 13 years and judgements made after that.
My mother was 16 my father 24. I was put in a foster home. I never knew them. My life has been a success in all aspects. Im a survivor never a victim.
I was wheelchair weightlifting coach for paraplegic athletes. They had meaningful lives because they were survivors. We competed against able bodied athelets and often beat them.

 

[ding]

So you see yourself as a victim. Its much better to define yourself as a survivor. Victims are losers thats what it means. The most important aspect of success is not genetics. Its development during the fist 13 years and judgements made after that.
My mother was 16 my father 24. I was put in a foster home. I never knew them. My life has been a success in all aspects. Im a survivor never a victim.
I was wheelchair weightlifting coach for paraplegic athletes. They had meaningful lives because they were survivors. We competed against able bodied athelets and often beat them.

It kind of sounds like you are playing the victim card. But putting that aside, your insults don't work on me. Keep them coming. It is only harming you.

 

[Lockback]

Learn how to use firearms.

 

[ding]

So you see yourself as a victim.

Does google see itself as a victim too? Because that's what I used to summarize a belief I already knew was true. One does not have to be a victim to see life's inherent unfairness. One only has to be objective. Your use of insults is telling. I can't believe you ever worked in the psychology profession.

 

[ding]

Learn how to use firearms.

Even better... train to use them so that it is second nature.

 

[Hafar1014]

Does google see itself as a victim too? Because that's what I used to summarize a belief I already knew was true. One does not have to be a victim to see life's inherent unfairness. One only has to be objective. Your use of insults is telling. I can't believe you ever worked in the psychology profession.

Thats the definition of victim life is unfair its not my fault dont blame me. Be a survivor never be a victim. Victimization leads to despair in older ages. Victms never heal. Survivors gain strength form adversity