Zone1 What makes Christianity different from other religions?

[Zebra]

The whole bit of a human being infallible because some bishops and cardinals voted for him is itself preposterous. So is the notion of saints is also crazy. Constantine, a bloodthirsty murderor who killed his own wife and son is a siant.

Catholicism is a cult.

you seem to be ill informed

 

[Paradoxical#1]

you seem to be ill informed

Got to love when some cafeteria Catholic tells an expert in Catholicism he is ill-informed. This is like some people who call into Matt Dillahunty's show and try to educate him on atheism or Christianity and find out he was raised a Southern Baptist and a fundamentalist Christian for over 20 years and considered becoming a minister, and that deep dive led him to leave the faith after finding it was fabricated.

 

[Zebra]

Got to love when some cafeteria Catholic tells an expert in Catholicism he is ill-informed. This is like some people who call into Matt Dillahunty's show and try to educate him on atheism or Christianity and find out he was raised a Southern Baptist and a fundamentalist Christian for over 20 years and considered becoming a minister, and that deep dive led him to leave the faith after finding it was fabricated.

do you call yourself expert?

 

[Dr.Destructo]

Christianity is more an established con-game ran by organized criminals.

Most other "religions" are just backwards people believing in the spooks, goblins, and ghosts presented to them.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

do you call yourself expert?

Yes. It is duly noted that all you can say is to claim I am misinformed and not refute what I say.

 

[Meriweather]

Constantine, a bloodthirsty murderor who killed his own wife and son is a siant.

While I guess he might be a "siant" (whatever that is), Constantine is not a canonized Saint.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

While I guess he might be a "siant" (whatever that is), Constantine is not a canonized Saint.

And his being a venerated saint makes any difference? I didn't use the word canonized. YOU did. Venerated means to be regarded with great respect or reverence, especially for holiness, wisdom, or historical significance. So I guess Catholics reward those who murder their own wife and son as long as they help out the church.

 

[Meriweather]

And his being a venerated saint makes any difference? I didn't use the word canonized. YOU did. Venerated means to be regarded with great respect or reverence, especially for holiness, wisdom, or historical significance. So I guess Catholics reward those who murder their own wife and son as long as they help out the church.

Constantine is venerated by the Eastern Orthodox Church, not the Roman Catholic Church. Yes, the Catholic Church recognizes the significant role Constantine did play in Christianity, so go right ahead and bash us for that.

 

[Picaro]

Anybody who thinks the Hebrewism of Moses and the ministry of the rabbi Jesus is the same as the pagans who worship cows and frogs or Zeus or whatever are seriously ignorant or just stupid. The books and teachings are available; try reading them.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Constantine is venerated by the Eastern Orthodox Church, not the Roman Catholic Church. Yes, the Catholic Church recognizes the significant role Constantine did play in Christianity, so go right ahead and bash us for that.

Here ya go. From Copilot. I love AI to use to decimate the narratives of Catholics.

• In the early 4th century, when Constantine ruled, Christianity was still one unified Church, not yet divided into Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox branches. The term “Roman Catholic” as a distinct identity didn’t exist yet — it only emerged after the Great Schism of 1054, when the Western Church (centered in Rome) and the Eastern Church (centered in Constantinople) formally split.
• So while Constantine’s Christianity was centered in Rome, it wasn’t “Roman Catholic” in the modern sense. It was simply Christianity within the Roman Empire, and the bishop of Rome (later called the pope) was one of several prominent church leaders.

Was Constantine venerated by Roman Christians?

• Yes — Roman Christians did honor Constantine, especially for his role in ending persecution and legitimizing the faith. He was deeply respected and often portrayed in a saintly light, even if not formally canonized.
• His veneration was more cultural and historical than liturgical. He wasn’t included in the official Roman Martyrology, but his legacy was celebrated in art, architecture (like Old St. Peter’s Basilica), and religious education — which is likely why Catholic nuns in the 1950s taught him as a saintly figure.

So your intuition is spot-on: Constantine was venerated by Roman Christians, even if the formal structures of sainthood and denominational identity hadn’t yet crystallized. It’s a great example of how reverence can precede bureaucracy.

 

[Picaro]

Here ya go. From Copilot. I love AI to use to decimate the narratives of Catholics.

• In the early 4th century, when Constantine ruled, Christianity was still one unified Church, not yet divided into Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox branches. The term “Roman Catholic” as a distinct identity didn’t exist yet — it only emerged after the Great Schism of 1054, when the Western Church (centered in Rome) and the Eastern Church (centered in Constantinople) formally split.
• So while Constantine’s Christianity was centered in Rome, it wasn’t “Roman Catholic” in the modern sense. It was simply Christianity within the Roman Empire, and the bishop of Rome (later called the pope) was one of several prominent church leaders.

Was Constantine venerated by Roman Christians?

• Yes — Roman Christians did honor Constantine, especially for his role in ending persecution and legitimizing the faith. He was deeply respected and often portrayed in a saintly light, even if not formally canonized.
• His veneration was more cultural and historical than liturgical. He wasn’t included in the official Roman Martyrology, but his legacy was celebrated in art, architecture (like Old St. Peter’s Basilica), and religious education — which is likely why Catholic nuns in the 1950s taught him as a saintly figure.

So your intuition is spot-on: Constantine was venerated by Roman Christians, even if the formal structures of sainthood and denominational identity hadn’t yet crystallized. It’s a great example of how reverence can precede bureaucracy.

the 'reverence' had nothing to do with creating the bureaucracy; the bureaucracy was created by Constantine when he placed the Christians in charge of the Roman Empire's social welfare policies. Their practice of providing welfare and social services to the members of their churches, i.e. charity, taking care of widows and orphans, etc. impressed him more than any other feature of their theology, itself derived from Jewish practices of taking care of their tribal members.

The pagan priests under the other Autarchs, particularly Lucinius, were ordered to compete with the Christians, but failed.

Constantine's success with the Christians was a big propaganda victory for him among citizens at the time. Naturally most atheist historians never mention this fact. The Christians were given a real job to do, not just sit around being religious n stuff. He didn't actually convert to Christianity until he was on his deathbed, in any case.

And, the Eastern and western Churches already had some differences early on. There were some, slight though they were, differences in the books they used as 'canon', for instance.

 

[Meriweather]

Here ya go. From Copilot. I love AI to use to decimate the narratives of Catholics.

• In the early 4th century, when Constantine ruled, Christianity was still one unified Church, not yet divided into Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox branches. The term “Roman Catholic” as a distinct identity didn’t exist yet — it only emerged after the Great Schism of 1054, when the Western Church (centered in Rome) and the Eastern Church (centered in Constantinople) formally split.
• So while Constantine’s Christianity was centered in Rome, it wasn’t “Roman Catholic” in the modern sense. It was simply Christianity within the Roman Empire, and the bishop of Rome (later called the pope) was one of several prominent church leaders.

Was Constantine venerated by Roman Christians?

• Yes — Roman Christians did honor Constantine, especially for his role in ending persecution and legitimizing the faith. He was deeply respected and often portrayed in a saintly light, even if not formally canonized.
• His veneration was more cultural and historical than liturgical. He wasn’t included in the official Roman Martyrology, but his legacy was celebrated in art, architecture (like Old St. Peter’s Basilica), and religious education — which is likely why Catholic nuns in the 1950s taught him as a saintly figure.

So your intuition is spot-on: Constantine was venerated by Roman Christians, even if the formal structures of sainthood and denominational identity hadn’t yet crystallized. It’s a great example of how reverence can precede bureaucracy.

Nice spin and dance away from your original post.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

the 'reverence' had nothing to do with creating the bureaucracy; the bureaucracy was created by Constantine when he placed the Christians in charge of the Roman Empire's social welfare policies. Their practice of providing welfare and social services to the members of their churches, i.e. charity, taking care of widows and orphans, etc. impressed him more than any other feature of their theology, itself derived from Jewish practices of taking care of their tribal members.

The pagan priests under the other Autarchs, particularly Lucinius, were ordered to compete with the Christians, but failed.

Constantine's success with the Christians was a big propaganda victory for him among citizens at the time. Naturally most atheist historians never mention this fact. The Christians were given a real job to do, not just sit around being religious n stuff. He didn't actually convert to Christianity until he was on his deathbed, in any case.

And, the Eastern and western Churches already had some differences early on. There were some, slight though they were, differences in the books they used as 'canon', for instance.

How in the eff do you know this?

Oh WAIT! You just make shit up.

 

[Picaro]

How in the eff do you know this?

Oh WAIT! You just make shit up.

I read real histories by real historians. You read Howard Zinn and a motley collection of propagandists and nutjobs. I bet you think if it's not on the innernetz it doesn't exist, right? lol you just let others make shit up for you. Christians founded orphanages, hospitals, schools, etc. and dispensed food, and other aid that helped communities survive the collapse of the West.

Both the Old and New Testaments have these instructions on social services required by their theology. You clearly haven't read either.

 

[GLASNOST]

What makes Christianity different from other religions?​

Christianity and Hinduism (et al.) are polytheist. Judaism and Islam believe in monotheism. What makes Christianity different from other polytheist religions is in the hats they wear or if they are required to wear hats in Church at all.

 

[BreezeWood]

Anybody who thinks the Hebrewism of Moses and the ministry of the rabbi Jesus is the same as the pagans who worship cows and frogs or Zeus or whatever are seriously ignorant or just stupid. The books and teachings are available; try reading them.

jesus is not or ever was a jew ... pico, were they ordained at - notre dame university school of divinity.

1st century events are the repudiation of judaism, false commandments of the liar moses et al.

 

[Dragonlady]

do they really think that the Pope is the Anti.Christ?

In answer to your question, no Presbyterians are not taught that the Pope is the Anti-Christ, but that is what is written in the 15th Century Reformation era founding documents.

Feelings ran high. There were wars and violence. The USA the Pilgrems fled to the USA for religious freedom, as did other Protestant sects. It’s why freedom of religion is in your founding documents.

 

[Dragonlady]

jesus is not or ever was a jew ... pico, were they ordained at - notre dame university school of divinity.

1st century events are the repudiation of judaism, false commandments of the liar moses et al.

Jesus was born and raised a Jew. He was called the “King of the Jews”.

Don’t ever try that anti-Semitic bullshit on a Christian.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

jesus is not or ever was a jew ... pico, were they ordained at - notre dame university school of divinity.

1st century events are the repudiation of judaism, false commandments of the liar moses et al.

What??!!

 

[Zebra]

In answer to your question, no Presbyterians are not taught that the Pope is the Anti-Christ, but that is what is written in the 15th Century Reformation era founding documents.

Feelings ran high. There were wars and violence. The USA the Pilgrems fled to the USA for religious freedom, as did other Protestant sects. It’s why freedom of religion is in your founding documents.

Freedom of religion should also mean that one does not fight who is best …