What liberals don't understand about "MAGA"

Yeah, that was a mess.
what exactly is messy about it?

Its a transcript of a conversation I had with Saint Rawley making the point that the government needs to cite a specific commission of harm against life, liberty, and property of other individuals iif the government wants to restrict the liberty of an individual for a specific action.

In this case, the action is terminating one’s pregnancy as a choice.

So Join the conversation;

xiv. NotfooledbyW mcdli reply to 1649: When a woman terminates her own pregnancy within a few weeks of learning she is pregnant by using the abortion pill in the privacy of her home, how are you harmed? nfbw 241022 Vrftma01651

Can you please answer the question asked of Saint Rawley in paragraph xiv. ?????
 
what exactly is messy about it?

Its a transcript of a conversation I had with Saint Rawley making the point that the government needs to cite a specific commission of harm against life, liberty, and property of other individuals iif the government wants to restrict the liberty of an individual for a specific action.

In this case, the action is terminating one’s pregnancy as a choice.

So Join the conversation;

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Can you please answer the question asked of Saint Rawley in paragraph xiv. ?????

They think a zygote or embryo is a full-fledged human being, with all of the same rights as the women who carry them in their uteruses. That's what religion and silly thinking do to a person's worldview. These holy-rollers reduce human beings/persons to zygotes and embryos, while completely ignoring the pregnant woman's needs and interests. The woman is the actual human being in the equation, and the zygote or embryo is a mere potential human being, if allowed to continue drawing its existence from the woman who conceived it. The woman's needs and interests at this stage in gestation should be prioritized, and she should have complete sovereignty over her pregnancy (over her uterus).

Late-term abortion, that's different. I agree with the conservative holly-rollers, that at a certain stage, we must recognize what is in the womb as a human being, but not before that latter stage. The "holy ones", even want to ban the contraceptive pill, because they insist zygotes in women's uteruses, are human beings.
 
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This is my specific answer to paragraph { xv.i & xv.ii: } Please respond accordingly.

No thanks, I don't want to sacrifice the brain cells involved in sorting through whatever that post was supposed to be.
 
No thanks, I don't want to sacrifice the brain cells involved in sorting through whatever that post was supposed to be.
Brain cells work better when you use them
So Join the conversation;

xiv. NotfooledbyW mcdli reply to 1649: When a woman terminates her own pregnancy within a few weeks of learning she is pregnant by using the abortion pill in the privacy of her home, how are you harmed? nfbw 241022 Vrftma01651

Can you please answer the question asked of Saint Rawley in paragraph xiv. ?????
 
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What liberals don't understand about "MAGA"

i. Stormy Daniels i Original Post: "MAGA" technically means "make America great again." Liberals have never really understood what "MAGA" really represents to people, why it appeals to so many, and as a result they've never been able to counteract its effect. strmydnls 241026 Swldua00001

ii. Stormy Daniels i Original Post: Overturning Roe is not conservative. Strmydnls 220507 Spaiat00001

iii. Stormy Daniels x. offers a thought:Evangelicals would never have supported a candidate with an illegitimate child that was sired while his wife was in the hospital with his other child. strmydnls 180323 Stsfpp00010

iv. Taz xli asks Saint Ding a ?????: So how are you going to force women to have babies against their will? tvzyz 301030 Vwwrbg00041

v. ding xvii reply to 41: “You mean how am I going to force women to suffer the consequences of their actions?” dvng 201030 Swwrbg00042

vi. NotfooledbyW cdlxxxii reply to 42: After reading paragraph i. I understand that Saint_Ding is in his own “church” (a sect of one) on a mission to seek truth. God is truth. God is love. God is logic. And God is an Him. And all who worship him do so in spirit and truth.

After reading paragraph ii. I understand that Saint_Ding is an angelic citizen in the Biblical Kingdom of Heaven experiencing the Father, Son and Holy Ghost... as we speak.

We know from reading paragraphs iii. & iv. Let the Holy Ghost has told Saint Ding to tear down the wall of separation of church state for the purpose of causing pregnant women to suffer. It’s in Saint Dang words.

Saint_Ding says he is going to force women to suffer the consequences of their actions. And we know he needs the government to force for that suffering on women.. nfbw 240814 Vsocas00482

vii. NotfooledbyW clxxxv reply to 1: Think about it Saint Stormydaniels; The Jeffersonian/Madisonian highest constitutional protection to the law abiding individual (Separation of Church and State) is evil marxist atheist wokeness on MAGA’s collective mind.

And you are waxing softly on behalf of the gentle breeze of “nostalgia” blowing over the dear white wannabe dominant American dittohead males like Saint Ding in paragraph v. who knows what’s good for liberal women and state governments should be allowed to control them. You blame liberals for Dumb Don?

I have to call BS on that. I blame the evangelicals and nearly half of Catholics who are nostalgic for unification of Church and State for putting Don Trump in our face these long term years of white male “nostalgia” for the original founding myth raising Christianity.

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"MAGA" technically means "make America great again." Liberals have never really understood what "MAGA" really represents to people, why it appeals to so many, and as a result they've never been able to counteract its effect. Democrats and liberals have spent years trying to define "MAGA" on their own terms. And what they don't ever seem to realize is that they're playing right into the MAGA strategy, creating more MAGA folks and reinforcing the MAGA appeal those who already have bought in.

So let's see if I can help Democrats have a breakthrough.

MAGA is a vague idea. It's amorphous. No, it doesn't mean whatever someone wants it to mean. It means whatever someone needs it to mean. MAGA is one simple thing: the affirmation of nostalgia.

Everyone is nostalgic at times. Everyone has happy memories of a different time. Everyone looks back fondly at something. Even if you've had the best, most amazing life possible, there will still be room for nostalgia. But the thing is, not all nostalgia is about what you did. Sometimes nostalgia is what you thought. It can be something you saw. It can even be something you thought you saw, and then longed for, from a very long time ago.

Democrats have been keen to say that "MAGA" people are nostalgic for white supremacy, Jim Crow, and things like that. In other words, Democrats keep trying to define MAGA on Democrats own terms. The Democrats have largely adopted an identity politics world view, so they can only perceive MAGA as an expression of identity politics. This is why when a black person buys into MAGA, that person is accused of being an Uncle Tom. But every time Democrats do this, they can't seem to figure out that all they're doing with this rhetoric is inflaming other people's nostalgia for a time before the identity politics took hold.

MAGA is nostalgia. But not for anything specific. MAGA enables people to be nostalgic about whatever you want. Maybe you have a nostalgic memory of being a kid in the mid 80s, about 5 or 6 years old, twisting the channel knob on the TV after Sesame Street just ended, and Lifestyles of the Rich and the Famous comes on. There's Donald, doing rich people stuff. You're playing with your Barbies and fantasizing about champagne wishes and caviar dreams, whatever that means as Mommy walks in with a PBJ sandwich with the crust cut off (a daily ritual). As you reminisce about those times, you happen to glance over at your own 5 year old daughter, playing with her tablet on a Saturday afternoon. And as you hand her a freshly unwrapped Uncrustable (a mere weekend ritual), it occurs to you that things are just different now. Your own childhood was somehow much more wholesome. It was a simpler time. It was more direct. It was real. You wonder how you're going to raise your own daughter to really feel something out of this life. Whatever else may have been wrong with the world, you got here, and you're a good person. And as the Democrats keep telling you, the world is a chaotic, awful place, full of terrible people.

And that is when it starts to set in. It's all a very personal experience.

Democrats need to realize that the more they tell others what MAGA means, the more they sound like idiots. Because you can't tell people what to feel when they remember their own younger life fondly. You can't demand what facts have to be inserted to other person's memories. You can't tell other people that their life was wrong all those years ago.

When people hear "make America great again" the greatness they envision is their own, personal life. And that is why anything Democrats try to associate MAGA with can be so easily ignored by adherents. That's why they can ignore so many of the things they witness that they don't like. Because MAGA is relative. Adherents understand MAGA as being relative to themselves, in their own terms, not yours.

You can't neutralize MAGA, like baking soda neutralizing acid. You have to supersede it. If Democrats can't do that, then they'll be losing to MAGA for decades yet to come.

Thing is, some of us do understand why.

We can see the basic psychology behind it all.

Just like we can see what little kids need.

People who are MAGA are often "needs and wants". Their whole life revolves around getting what they need, food, money etc and what they want, like sex, material things. There's nothing beyond that for these people.

Trump is offering something that isn't real, and because it isn't real, it's appealing.

We know the Germans were offered an amazing reunification by the right in the first reunified election in 1990, whereas the left said it would be a difficult path ahead and the country needed to prepare for it. The German people wanted the utopia offered by the right, but instead got the hard progress the left said would happen, only the right were the ones in power because they won the election.

We know in the UK the Brexit crowd (I guess the closest to MAGA you'll get, many of the Brexiter supporters support Trump) gave this whole utopia that would happen after Brexit, and what the UK got was poorer, and with more difficulties going to the EU.

So, we understand. The problem is, it's a con, and we know it's a con. You want your country to be great again, but you don't understand what makes a country great. You want to believe that everything Trump does is amazing, and he tells you it's amazing, but the outcome is different.

Had Trump's 4 years been amazing, he'd have won the 2020 election. He didn't. He lost. If he wins again, he'll only have 4 years.

He's being bankrolled by a billionaire who WANTS SOMETHING from Trump. And Trump tells you he's for the poor people. He's not. The poor people weren't better off under Trump. The economy was growing, had been growing since the middle of Obama's time in office, was growing under Biden too. But the boom and bust is still there, the boom and bust that makes the rich richer and the poor poorer.

But the one thing that defines MAGA is ignorance. MAGA people can't have conversations about it all. They don't understand what this and that means, and Trump simplifies everything "it's hoooge" "it's amazing" "It's great" and the people want to BELIEVE.

Religion defines these people, they've grown up with religion, grown up with accepting things that cannot be seen. Trump tells you what you want to hear, great, I love it because it makes me feel good, even if it means my life is worse later on, I'll just blame someone else. Like the brexit crowd blame the EU, blame Labour, blame everyone but the Brexit crowd for all the problems the UK is suffering from.
 
"MAGA" technically means "make America great again." Liberals have never really understood what "MAGA" really represents to people, why it appeals to so many, and as a result they've never been able to counteract its effect. Democrats and liberals have spent years trying to define "MAGA" on their own terms. And what they don't ever seem to realize is that they're playing right into the MAGA strategy, creating more MAGA folks and reinforcing the MAGA appeal those who already have bought in.

So let's see if I can help Democrats have a breakthrough.

MAGA is a vague idea. It's amorphous. No, it doesn't mean whatever someone wants it to mean. It means whatever someone needs it to mean. MAGA is one simple thing: the affirmation of nostalgia.

Everyone is nostalgic at times. Everyone has happy memories of a different time. Everyone looks back fondly at something. Even if you've had the best, most amazing life possible, there will still be room for nostalgia. But the thing is, not all nostalgia is about what you did. Sometimes nostalgia is what you thought. It can be something you saw. It can even be something you thought you saw, and then longed for, from a very long time ago.

Democrats have been keen to say that "MAGA" people are nostalgic for white supremacy, Jim Crow, and things like that. In other words, Democrats keep trying to define MAGA on Democrats own terms. The Democrats have largely adopted an identity politics world view, so they can only perceive MAGA as an expression of identity politics. This is why when a black person buys into MAGA, that person is accused of being an Uncle Tom. But every time Democrats do this, they can't seem to figure out that all they're doing with this rhetoric is inflaming other people's nostalgia for a time before the identity politics took hold.

MAGA is nostalgia. But not for anything specific. MAGA enables people to be nostalgic about whatever you want. Maybe you have a nostalgic memory of being a kid in the mid 80s, about 5 or 6 years old, twisting the channel knob on the TV after Sesame Street just ended, and Lifestyles of the Rich and the Famous comes on. There's Donald, doing rich people stuff. You're playing with your Barbies and fantasizing about champagne wishes and caviar dreams, whatever that means as Mommy walks in with a PBJ sandwich with the crust cut off (a daily ritual). As you reminisce about those times, you happen to glance over at your own 5 year old daughter, playing with her tablet on a Saturday afternoon. And as you hand her a freshly unwrapped Uncrustable (a mere weekend ritual), it occurs to you that things are just different now. Your own childhood was somehow much more wholesome. It was a simpler time. It was more direct. It was real. You wonder how you're going to raise your own daughter to really feel something out of this life. Whatever else may have been wrong with the world, you got here, and you're a good person. And as the Democrats keep telling you, the world is a chaotic, awful place, full of terrible people.

And that is when it starts to set in. It's all a very personal experience.

Democrats need to realize that the more they tell others what MAGA means, the more they sound like idiots. Because you can't tell people what to feel when they remember their own younger life fondly. You can't demand what facts have to be inserted to other person's memories. You can't tell other people that their life was wrong all those years ago.

When people hear "make America great again" the greatness they envision is their own, personal life. And that is why anything Democrats try to associate MAGA with can be so easily ignored by adherents. That's why they can ignore so many of the things they witness that they don't like. Because MAGA is relative. Adherents understand MAGA as being relative to themselves, in their own terms, not yours.

You can't neutralize MAGA, like baking soda neutralizing acid. You have to supersede it. If Democrats can't do that, then they'll be losing to MAGA for decades yet to come.
By supersede you mean say America is a failed country rooted in racism, misogyny living on stolen land? Thats the Lib platform.

Own it, transocrat
 
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Ok, what are you trying to get at? Chinas economy is different, and they manipulate their currency.

What does this have to do with made in America?
 
Ok, what are you trying to get at? Chinas economy is different, and they manipulate their currency.

What does this have to do with made in America?
Anything made in the US will cost much more because the workers get paid muchas more. Si comprendo?
 
Anything made in the US will cost much more because the workers get paid muchas more. Si comprendo?

Why doesn’t have to be that way? If we didn’t import to many raw materials and made it all here, it might not cost so much.

It does sound like, however, that you are condoning the child slave labor in China, though.

See, if we did American made, we’d be solving two problems!
 
Why doesn’t have to be that way? If we didn’t import to many raw materials and made it all here, it might not cost so much.

It does sound like, however, that you are condoning the child slave labor in China, though.

See, if we did American made, we’d be solving two problems!
I dunno. Shipping all those kids over here would a logistical nightmare. And a PR headache to boot.
 
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Stormy Daniels said: Sometimes nostalgia is what you thought.

BULLDOG said: Nostalgia tends to emphasize the good memories while ignoring the harm that resulted from what produced those good memories.

Stormy Daniels said: See, you're doing exactly what I told you not to do.

NotfooledbyW cxciv reply to 1 : MAGA has nothing to do with nostalgia. MAGA IS SIMPLY ABOUT TWO baseless CAUSES They have joined forces to create America’s Dangerous anti-democracy, Frankenstein, Monster. And now the Republican Party cannot control it’s creation; it’s monster.
  1. Christian fundamentalist to restore America to be in line with the kingdom of Jesus Christ on earth as it is in heaven.
  2. Male White Grievance against women and non-white people both secular and extremist Christian as defined in 1. above.
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Agree, there will always be people who can't be reached. I'm more interested in the ones who can be reached, the ones who can be averted and the ones who never really enter the temple, but they're willing to hang out on the porch.

MAGA can be defeated, politically. In fact, Democrats could win every single time against a MAGA party. But they have to change their methods.

Given that MAGA has never WON anything except the Electoral College in 2016, why would Democrats have to change in order to beat MAGA?

MAGA doesn't win because Republicans keep fielding the worst kind of unqualified candidates. Crooks, liars, thieves and pedophiles. People no one in their right mind would ever vote for.

And when they do get into power, they don't deliver what they promise. They delivery chaos, dysfunction, and violence because that's all Trump has ever offered anyone.
 
Given that MAGA has never WON anything except the Electoral College in 2016, why would Democrats have to change in order to beat MAGA?

MAGA doesn't win because Republicans keep fielding the worst kind of unqualified candidates. Crooks, liars, thieves and pedophiles. People no one in their right mind would ever vote for.

And when they do get into power, they don't deliver what they promise. They delivery chaos, dysfunction, and violence because that's all Trump has ever offered anyone.

Don't make the mistake of thinking MAGA is one manchild. MAGA is here to stay for as long as Democrats keep trying to ridicule it away.
 
Don't make the mistake of thinking MAGA is one manchild. MAGA is here to stay for as long as Democrats keep trying to ridicule it away.

I don't think MAGA is one deranged idiot, and I am deeply concerned about the what happens to the Cult when Trump loses again, but you fail to address the issue of where MAGA came from in the first place. MAGA is the direct result of the lies, disinformation, and propaganda promoted by right wing media since the end of the Fairness Doctrine.

MAGA exists because Ronald Reagan and the Republicans realized that that the American people wouldn't vote for Republican policies which favour the wealthy, so he started lying to the American people and telling them their problems were all due to "affirmative action"m "welfare queens", and "free shit" for poor people.

The free market "capitalism on steroids" promoted by Milton Friedman and the Chicago School of Economics was all the rage. Friedman said that if all wage or price controls are eliminated, and market forces are the sole determinant of wages, that both wages and prices would find their "natural" levels and allow the nation and the people to prosper.

The reality was much different than Friedman's hypothesis: Wage fell, prices rose, and poverty increased - bigly. The rich got richer, the poor got poorer, and with all social programs eliminated, there was nothing to support the people.

Even worse, the only way they could stop the people from revolting when these reforms took effect, was to eliminate all leftist opposition. With the IMF and the World Bank demanding market capitalism reforms as a condition to financing for these right wing government, South American regimes simply rounded up and murdered all of the leftist leadership. The Soccer Stadium in Chile. The "Disappeared" in Argentina and Venezuela.



How is this any different than Trump proposing to send the military out to round up Democratic Leadership, and the people he called "The Enemy Within"?????
 
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i. Stormy Daniels i Original Post: "MAGA" technically means "make America great again." Liberals have never really understood what "MAGA" really represents to people, why it appeals to so many, and as a result they've never been able to counteract its effect.. strmydnls 241026 Swldua00001



NotfooledbyW cxcix reply to 1: There is no instruction book as to how to counteract fascism through law and order. The Democratic Party defeated MAGA’s bid to keep their leader in the White House in November 2020. The fascism came out immediately where Dumb Don refused to concede in mid-December.

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i. Stormy Daniels i Original Post: MAGA is one simple thing: the affirmation of nostalgia. strmydnls 241026 Swldua00001

ii. NotfooledbyW cc reply to 1: The following is not nostalgia; it is willful ignorance by Dumb Don voters. And you Saint Stormydaniels ask me as center left working class affirming liberal to accommodate this dipshit’s hate driven politics. You wish that I try to understand this mess of a human mind:

We’ll have to deal with ‘nihilistic’ Trump voters after the election: George Conway. Conway recalled in an interview with a small business owner in New Hampshire who was a "relatively smart guy," a former military officer, and explained that he supports Trump only because he hates all of the people who don't support Trump.

"And it was pointed out to him, 'Okay, but the things you want to do are going to hurt you too,'" Conway recalled in the story. "And he said he didn't care. That's what a lot of Trumpism is. It's this nihilistic desire to do harm to others even if harms the country or even if it harms themselves."

He called it a "disturbing psychology" and explained that it will continue to exist even if Trump is defeated.

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