What is 'Zionism'?

[Captain Creeper]

"Zionism is the belief that Jews are "entitled" to Israel, from the river to the sea,"

no, it isn't.

Their state was sanctioned by the UN after WWII. That are, in fact, entitled to it now.

 

[Lisa558]

So in all of these discussions surrounding Israel with our local conspiracy theorists that hide behind 'Zionism' to spew their hate on Jews, I have yet to get one single definition of what exactly it is. So now is your chance to explain how a 'Zionist' differs from a Jew in their thoughts and beliefs and why it is 'evil'. Please also show evidence of what you say. One of our board conspiracy theorists, Mr. Beale, posted a link to an article where in the article they state that there isn't a definitive agreement on what Zionism is. I think if you're going to throw that term around as a reason for your animosity towards Jews or Israel, then you should be willing to define what it means to you.

Most US Jews do not identify as ‘Zionists,’ even when they support Israel, JFNA survey finds - Jewish Telegraphic Agency


From the article:

The findings of the survey reveal that American Jews do not have a mutually agreed-upon definition of Zionism — with those identifying as anti-Zionist and those identifying as Zionist ascribing sharply different meanings to the term.

It’s obvious that it’s a code word for Jews. They think they can get away with their antisemitism by saying it’s not Jews they hate, it’s Zionists.

Except for a slim minority on the fringes, all mainstream Jews are Zionists.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Many Jews who never subscribed to Zionism have spoken on this. You need not ask others what their "thoughts and beliefs" were, as mot anti-Zionism Jews have been very eloquent.

Which avoids the question, what is Zionism? In other words, what, exactly, have they never subscribed to?

 

[Lisa558]

I'm still waiting for what is so evil and satanic about 'Zionism'.

CrusaderFrank MisterBeale

Just curious where you came up with the descriptors of “evil and satanic.” I ask because IM2 used those same two adjectives in describing Jews.

The antisemites must be getting their talking points from the same source.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Careful now, many Jews marry their cousins, did you really not know that? stick around, you might learn something.

How can one swipe a vacuum? no physics Nobel for you!

The consanguinity rate for Jews is FAR BELOW that of Israel's neighbors and miniscule compared to you British Muslims.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Just curious where you came up with the descriptors of “evil and satanic.” I ask because IM2 used those same two adjectives in describing Jews.

The antisemites must be getting their talking points from the same source.

They all feed from the same trough.

 

[Lisa558]

I'm not sure why you are "just saying" to me.

The Chareidim are not "anti-Zionist." In fact, they pray for a Zionist dream/goal 3 times a day.

Correct. I go to a Chabad - run by Haredi Jews - and the are adamant supporters of Israel.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I would argue it is the precise opposite. First, what other "race" has this "right"? Second, who is this entity that hands out these rights? Where are these native homelands? Do I have a claim to Jutland? It is insane.

Denmark is home to the Danish people.

 

[Lisa558]

The consanguinity rate for Jews is FAR BELOW that of Israel's neighbors and miniscule compared to you British Muslims.

Careful. Don’t use five-syllable words when addressing antisemites. They’re not too bright.

 

[Churchill]

It’s obvious that it’s a code word for Jews. They think they can get away with their antisemitism by saying it’s not Jews they hate, it’s Zionists.

Except for a slim minority on the fringes, all mainstream Jews are Zionists.

Spoken like a committed Jew hating Jew.

 

[OldFlame]

Just curious where you came up with the descriptors of “evil and satanic.” I ask because IM2 used those same two adjectives in describing Jews.

The antisemites must be getting their talking points from the same source.

From both of the people I tagged, Frank has called it 'satanic' many times.

 

[Churchill]

The consanguinity rate for Jews is FAR BELOW that of Israel's neighbors and miniscule compared to you British Muslims.

So, are you saying its wrong?

You are aren't you, you are the antisemite, denying Jews their right to be Jews.

So asshole, if its wrong say so and deny Jewish identity, if it isn't stop whining as if it is.

 

[Lisa558]

From both of the people I tagged, Frank has called it 'satanic' many times.

Interesting.

 

[toomuchtime_]

So, are you saying its wrong?

You are aren't you, you are the antisemite.

Yes.


AI Overview



Cousin marriage is permitted and historically common in Jewish law, but it is not widespread among most modern Jewish populations
. While it remains a practice in some traditional or Mizrahi (Middle Eastern) communities, data shows it occurs in low single digits (1-2% for Ashkenazi, up to 9% for some non-Ashkenazi groups) in Israel.

Reddit +1
Key Findings on Jewish Cousin Marriage:

• Historical Context: Historically, cousin marriage was more common due to close-knit communities, diaspora separation, and the desire to maintain family unity.
• Modern Trends: Today, it is largely rare, with trends showing a decline in consanguineous marriage in Israel as communities merge.
• Cultural Differences: Cousin marriage is generally higher among Mizrahi and Yemenite Jews compared to Ashkenazi Jews.
• Orthodox Practice: While permitted and in some contexts viewed favorably by tradition (e.g., marrying a niece is mentioned in the Talmud), it is not a widespread practice in modern Ashkenazi Orthodox communities, though it is not uncommon, notes this Reddit post.
• Genetic Factors: While consanguineous marriages (like first cousins) have higher risks of genetic diseases, studies on Israeli populations have often focused on tracking these trends due to distinct population genetics.
  
  
  Jew in the City +6

In summary, while not prohibited and having historical precedent, it is not a common practice among most modern Jews, with usage rates varying significantly by community of origin, say participants in this Facebook group discussion.

 

[Churchill]

Yes.


AI Overview



Cousin marriage is permitted and historically common in Jewish law, but it is not widespread among most modern Jewish populations
. While it remains a practice in some traditional or Mizrahi (Middle Eastern) communities, data shows it occurs in low single digits (1-2% for Ashkenazi, up to 9% for some non-Ashkenazi groups) in Israel.
View attachment 1234760Reddit +1
Key Findings on Jewish Cousin Marriage:

• Historical Context: Historically, cousin marriage was more common due to close-knit communities, diaspora separation, and the desire to maintain family unity.
• Modern Trends: Today, it is largely rare, with trends showing a decline in consanguineous marriage in Israel as communities merge.
• Cultural Differences: Cousin marriage is generally higher among Mizrahi and Yemenite Jews compared to Ashkenazi Jews.
• Orthodox Practice: While permitted and in some contexts viewed favorably by tradition (e.g., marrying a niece is mentioned in the Talmud), it is not a widespread practice in modern Ashkenazi Orthodox communities, though it is not uncommon, notes this Reddit post.
• Genetic Factors: While consanguineous marriages (like first cousins) have higher risks of genetic diseases, studies on Israeli populations have often focused on tracking these trends due to distinct population genetics.
  View attachment 1234759Jew in the City +6

In summary, while not prohibited and having historical precedent, it is not a common practice among most modern Jews, with usage rates varying significantly by community of origin, say participants in this Facebook group discussion.

Only an antisemite will tell a Jew that they are wrong to follow their beliefs.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

So, are you saying its wrong?

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You are aren't you, you are the antisemite, denying Jews their right to be Jews.

So asshole, if its wrong say so and deny Jewish identity, if it isn't stop whining as if it is.

You British Muslims are the product of generational inbreeding.

The overwhelming majority of Jews aren't.

 

[Churchill]

You British Muslims are the product of generational inbreeding.

The overwhelming majority of Jews aren't.

But are those Jews wrong? Only an antisemite will tell a Jew that they are wrong to follow their beliefs.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Careful. Don’t use five-syllable words when addressing antisemites. They’re not too bright.

Especially when they are trying to pretend they are something they are not by choosing user names like "Churchill".

 

[Lisa558]

You British Muslims are the product of generational inbreeding.

The overwhelming majority of Jews aren't.

That explains why Jews have average IQs of 115, and the average IQ of Muslims is around 83.

Inbreeding leads to defects, both physical and mental.

 

[Churchill]

That explains why Jews have average IQs of 115, and the average IQ of Muslims is around 83.

Inbreeding leads to defects, both physical and mental.

Only an antisemite will tell a Jew that they are wrong to practice their traditional beliefs.

See? you can't hide, you are just another Jew hating Jew, disgusting.