What is 'Zionism'?

[Independent thinker]

An israeli cultist that loves israeli propaganda, doesnt know what "zionism" is lol. Wow

Zionism - Meaning, Definition & Religious | HISTORY

Zionism is a religious and political movement that brought Jews to their ancient homeland and reestablished Israel as...

www.history.com

Try reading something.

So, you couldn't answer the question?

 

[Independent thinker]

Its crazy to me how people can be so supportive of something, and not even know whats going on with it.
Humans really are mostly sheep. And then the sheep get together in circle jerks and gaslight people that actually think. SMH

Look in the mirror recently?

 

[Independent thinker]

I believe that is a pretty good definition. Zionism is the belief that Jews are "entitled" to Israel, from the river to the sea, yeah, I said it. But at it's most simple, Zionist are no different than those in the desert that were making golden cows. They believe they can "take'' their promised land, they don't need to keep their end of the bargain. Who needs God to provide the promised land, man can do it.

So, you don't think Jews should have a country they call home?

 

[PeterPilot]

Mike Adams offers a very good definition of Zionism:

Zionism is a 19th century secular nationalism movement with a violent supremacist core.

I like that one. It gets its violent supremacist core from the Rabbinical teachings found in the Talmud, a disgusting book. More, it is the foundation of the Greater Israel philosophy. Attack others, take their land, rape their wives, kill their animals.

Conscientious Jews like Jeffrey Sachs make it clear that Judaism IS NOT Zionism.

 

[Independent thinker]

What is actually crazy is HATING something you do not understand.

Zionism is simply a term that defines Jewish self-determination in their native homeland. Those who oppose such have singled out Jews as the only people in the world who don't deserve such.

Do you rail against Japan as the Japanese homeland, Harley? How about France or Italy or any other country? No, of course not. You don't even rail against all the countries that define themselves as Islamic. You single out one -- ONE country from all the others to delegitimize and you infuse the term that defines them with something sinister.

Speaking of sheep, maybe YOU should be the one to stop following the herd of Muslims, leftists, neo-Nazis and wigged out proto-libertarians and develop an understanding that is not predicated upon going with the flow of the vast majority in their persecution of a tiny minority.

Kind of reminds me of many on the left who are constantly apologizing to Native Americans for stealing their land and yet not one of them have put forth any plans to give the country back to the Native Americans.

 

[rosends]

Mike Adams offers a very good definition of Zionism:

Zionism is a 19th century secular nationalism movement with a violent supremacist core.

I like that one. It gets its violent supremacist core from the Rabbinical teachings found in the Talmud, a disgusting book. More, it is the foundation of the Greater Israel philosophy. Attack others, take their land, rape their wives, kill their animals.

Conscientious Jews like Jeffrey Sachs make it clear that Judaism IS NOT Zionism.

your claim, "It gets its violent supremacist core from the Rabbinical teachings found in the Talmud, a disgusting book." bespeaks a serious ignorance of the talmud. You have probably fallen prey to those websites that list supposed quotes from the talmud. You might want to consider actually studying content instead of taking haters' words for it.

And the "greater Israel" philosophy? You clearly don't know what that means.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

First thing first. No one should rely on israelophobic-dominant-Wikipedia (as documented) on anything related to Israel.

Oh, and:
Newsflash
Arab Muslim "palestine" terrorists target as much Talmudic-anti-zionist Haredi Jews in Jerusalem than secular zionists in Tel-Aviv.

Just saying.

Islam is a supremacist ideology that details (among other thing) the proper method for beheading enemies, tells followers to rape captive women in front of their husband and encourages the killing of Jews "until they hide behind rocks and trees".

There is nothing at all "phobic" in rejecting it.

If a person rejects National Socialism, Scientology, Communism or any other ideology, do you call it a phobia?

 

[ding]

Maybe you should learn to read, you apparently didn't read the op.

Everyone agrees on the definition that you posted? Why don't you ask, that's why I started the thread.

If you have nothing else to offer, leave.

TNHarley is a hammer looking for a nail. His low brow IQ makes it nearly impossible for him to have thoughtful discussions on anything important beyond making insults.

 

[Churchill]

So in all of these discussions surrounding Israel with our local conspiracy theorists that hide behind 'Zionism' to spew their hate on Jews, I have yet to get one single definition of what exactly it is. So now is your chance to explain how a 'Zionist' differs from a Jew in their thoughts and beliefs and why it is 'evil'. Please also show evidence of what you say. One of our board conspiracy theorists, Mr. Beale, posted a link to an article where in the article they state that there isn't a definitive agreement on what Zionism is. I think if you're going to throw that term around as a reason for your animosity towards Jews or Israel, then you should be willing to define what it means to you.

Most US Jews do not identify as ‘Zionists,’ even when they support Israel, JFNA survey finds - Jewish Telegraphic Agency


From the article:

The findings of the survey reveal that American Jews do not have a mutually agreed-upon definition of Zionism — with those identifying as anti-Zionist and those identifying as Zionist ascribing sharply different meanings to the term.

Perhaps the most meaningful way to define any ideology is to look at the effects it has on people who are subjected to it.

 

[rosends]

Perhaps the most meaningful way to define any ideology is to look at the effects it has on people who are subjected to it.

only if you assume that the effects are specifically the result of the ideology and no other variable. And that's a bad assumption.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

TNHarley is a hammer looking for a nail. His low brow IQ makes it nearly impossible for him to have thoughtful discussions on anything important beyond making insults.

I have always liked him just as I have always liked Beale, myself.

It's just that there is a strain of faux libertarianism that is heavily influenced by antisemites like Rand Paul, Lew Rockwell, Justin Raimondo, etc, who equate Jews with Globalism and spins all the time-honored canards about the tentacles of Jewish influence weaving through every corner of the globe. Those who see themselves as libertarian and avail themselves to these sorts of influences pick up the antisemitism as they go.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Perhaps the most meaningful way to define any ideology is to look at the effects it has on people who are subjected to it.

All those Jewish nobel prizes, yes.





as opposed to your people's honor killings, female genital mutilation and murder of gay people.

 

[OldFlame]

Mike Adams offers a very good definition of Zionism:

Zionism is a 19th century secular nationalism movement with a violent supremacist core.

I like that one. It gets its violent supremacist core from the Rabbinical teachings found in the Talmud, a disgusting book. More, it is the foundation of the Greater Israel philosophy. Attack others, take their land, rape their wives, kill their animals.

Conscientious Jews like Jeffrey Sachs make it clear that Judaism IS NOT Zionism.

Yet you have no history of any of that occurring since 1948. Israel has not had any major expansion since its inception 78 years ago.

 

[Churchill]

All those Jewish nobel prizes, yes.

Like Einstein? he was against the state of Israel. Like Feynman? he was not a Zionist, or Niels Bohr? nope, he wasn't a Zionist either, perhaps Boris Pasternak ? oh, no, he also wasn't a Zionist, maybe Sigmund Freud? No, Harold Pinter perhaps? No. Fritz Haber? No, Joseph Rotblat? No...

as opposed to your people's honor killings, female genital mutilation and murder of gay people.

I will accept that criticism - IF you can show us all any posts where I advocated or supported those acts.

Arguing as you are, I very much doubt you'd get any kind of prize for mental acuity.

 

[Oddball]

So in all of these discussions surrounding Israel with our local conspiracy theorists that hide behind 'Zionism' to spew their hate on Jews, I have yet to get one single definition of what exactly it is. So now is your chance to explain how a 'Zionist' differs from a Jew in their thoughts and beliefs and why it is 'evil'. Please also show evidence of what you say. One of our board conspiracy theorists, Mr. Beale, posted a link to an article where in the article they state that there isn't a definitive agreement on what Zionism is. I think if you're going to throw that term around as a reason for your animosity towards Jews or Israel, then you should be willing to define what it means to you.

Most US Jews do not identify as ‘Zionists,’ even when they support Israel, JFNA survey finds - Jewish Telegraphic Agency


From the article:

The findings of the survey reveal that American Jews do not have a mutually agreed-upon definition of Zionism — with those identifying as anti-Zionist and those identifying as Zionist ascribing sharply different meanings to the term.

IMO, "Zionism" has been hijacked by the permanent war Likud party, much like the TEA Party got hijacked by establishment republicans (i.e. Dick Armey), in attempt to get people to shut up about their duplicity and their role as controlled opposition.

It started out as a legitimate movement, and has been turned into something ugly so it can be used as a cudgel -in the guise of the endless shrieking of "ANTISEMITE!"- by its hijackers.

 

[OldFlame]

IMO, "Zionism" has been hijacked by the permanent war Likud party, much like the TEA Party got hijacked by establishment republicans (i.e. Dick Armey), in attempt to get people to shut up about their duplicity and their role as controlled opposition.

It started out as a legitimate movement, and has been turned into something ugly so it can be used as a cudgel -in the guise of the endless shrieking of "ANTISEMITE!"- by its hijackers.

I rather think it's been hijacked by antisemite's that want cover for their biases and hatred towards Jews. If you dislike a certain party, then refer to that party. Why is the 'permanent war' label never applied to the muslims who constantly attack Israel and Jews regardless of any outside intervention or attempts to bring things to a peaceful coexistence?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Like Einstein? he was against the state of Israel. Like Feynman? he was not a Zionist, or Niels Bohr? nope, he wasn't a Zionist either, perhaps Boris Pasternak ? oh, no, he also wasn't a Zionist, maybe Sigmund Freud? No, Harold Pinter perhaps? No.

Oh well, surely Primo Levi?

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I will accept that criticism - IF you can show us all any posts where I advocated or supported those acts.

Arguing as you are, I very much doubt you'd get any kind of prize for mental acuity.

Inbreds sure do like to take swipes at my intelligence.

 

[Churchill]

Inbreds

Careful now, many Jews marry their cousins, did you really not know that? stick around, you might learn something.

sure do like to take swipes at my intelligence.

How can one swipe a vacuum? no physics Nobel for you!

 

[Winston]

Zionism is simply a term that defines Jewish self-determination in their native homeland. Those who oppose such have singled out Jews as the only people in the world who don't deserve such.

I would argue it is the precise opposite. First, what other "race" has this "right"? Second, who is this entity that hands out these rights? Where are these native homelands? Do I have a claim to Jutland? It is insane.

 

[Captain Creeper]

Many Jews who never subscribed to Zionism have spoken on this. You need not ask others what their "thoughts and beliefs" were, as mot anti-Zionism Jews have been very eloquent.

Yet, the people who crow about ZioNiSm are always actually showing their hatred for Jews. Opposing an ideology of ZionIsM is just their excuse.