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Interesting, the concept is in international law too, right? And is there another group, condemned as war criminals, that uses the idea of this right to steal and occupy others' land?It's in the constitution: The right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. But you're right: The "pursuit of happiness" doesn't include harming others, or participating in criminal activity.
Indeed, that right is pretty broad, but nobody has the right to violate the rights of others.I think the right ends when it harms others.
I think the right ends when it harms others.
They joined forces, they were terrorists and hated by everyone (including the Jews the zionists today still treat like Arabs) when they arrived. A terrorist government for decades, great.A people's right to self-determination means getting your collective shit together and stop the infighting. Look at history. The American colonies did not all agree at first to break with England.
Then form a real and cohesive government that wishes to have peace with its neighbors; and then form alliances and truces and treaties.
Look at history. Israel at first had the Palmach, Hagganah, Irgun, etc. all infighting. But they, too, got their collective shit together to form a real government that did all the above.
And what, if any, limits are there to this right?
We had a thread that showed what a dangerous concept that is and how nearly the entire world rejects the idea.Self-determination is the inherent, inviolable right of a collective peoples who self-define and generally, but not always, have a distinct culture, to have full agency and sovereignty of a nation in at least part of their historic territory in order to express their unique values and culture.
I agree; isn't that obvious to all?And what, if any, limits are there to this right?
Dear abi by nature of self-determination
people are going to give different answers.
In general people still have to respect the rights of others
equally as their own.
The best approaches I know to ensuring equal self determination
and self government involve education and knowledge of
laws so that people are equally empowered, regardless of affiliation,
and education, training, mentorship and support
in establishing OWNERSHIP of property, businesses,
and community programs so people manage and represent
themselves democratically. They may choose different systems
or affiliations for representing themselves.
But in general any collective organization, entity or institution
should follow the same principles that are used to check
government against abuse of collective authority influence or resources
that otherwise oppress individuals.
So whatever "system" people use to identify and determine
their own beliefs and course of action, it should follow the
same checks and balances, respect equal protections of
the rights and liberties of others, and include some process
of redressing grievances to resolve conflicts and protect the interests
of the people.
It's in the constitution: The right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
The Palestinians have had NUMEROUS opportunities to form a Government starting in 1948 they CHOOSE not to do so. I wish they would form a Government because then the first time the assholes shoot into Israel then Israel can declare war INVADE, depose the Government and occupy them until they agree to stop and all with the UN's approval.And what, if any, limits are there to this right?
We had a thread that showed what a dangerous concept that is and how nearly the entire world rejects the idea.Self-determination is the inherent, inviolable right of a collective peoples who self-define and generally, but not always, have a distinct culture, to have full agency and sovereignty of a nation in at least part of their historic territory in order to express their unique values and culture.
From what I have seen in the many places that this right is mentioned in law, it always involved people on their own land. I havn't seen stealing land supported by this right.