what is the lefts plan to end the war in Ukraine ?

[DonGlock26]

The only reason the USMC exists is to be the Navy's Infantry. Hence, their name.

If an Army General and a Navy Admiral are taking part in an Amphibious landing, and the Navy has no Infantry, the Army is in charge. The Army is the Senior Service.

But Army Generals trying to tell the Navy what to do doesn't work very well most of the time. There have been multiple examples in multiple Wars. Catastrophic examples

So we gave the Navy their own Infantry to keep the Army from sinking Navy Ships. bummer. We call them 'Marines' and their job description comes down to, "Hey Diddle-Diddle, Charge Up The Middle". And they're some of the best, most fearless light infantry in the world.

But that's what they are -- "Light" Infantry. They get a Beachhead, and the Army comes in and takes over. That's the way it's supposed to work. And that's what the Pentagon wants to get back to.

It can get complicated but I agree with it. No knock on the Marines. They seize and hold the Beach until relieved by the Army.

If we could just keep them from eating the crayons........

It depends on the scale of the war. If the Marines land in South Korea to support the US Army as they did on Okinawa, they will need tanks.

 

[pknopp]

It is if you want to lay claim to “leader of the free world”.

I really don't.

In fact, it is exactly our place to lead the western alliance in crises like this.

But if you think retreating into isolationism and inconsequence…….

Isolationist? LOL

I think China is incredibly outplaying us by doing things like funding open trade with South America.

 

[DonGlock26]

It has been and still is to drive Russia from Ukrainian territory and support democracy in the country.

The maga plan is to get fucked by pootin.

How does the plan drive Putin from Ukrainian territory exactly?

 

[forkup]

At least trump is doing something even if you think its wrong

Sooner or later the left will have to face reality and end the war

What do you think is the reality? Do you think "ending the war" will prevent Putin from simply starting it up again the moment he has gathered enough force again. What's there to stop him?

The US is making it clear they won't.

 

[DonGlock26]

I said the same thing twice. Reading comprehension must not be your strong suit.

You still haven't provided the post number where your plan is.

 

[DonGlock26]

No you aren't trying to be a smart ass. You are trying to pose a red herring, so you can avoid addressing almost my entire post. By trying to make me focus on a technicality instead of how Ukraine understood the terms of them giving up their nukes. So address my entire post and tell me how I'm wrong please.

If the US didn't promise to use the US military to defend the Ukraine, then we have no obligation to do so and the Ukrainians should have known that. In hindsight, they should have kept them.

 

[pknopp]

You still haven't provided the post number where your plan is.

Again, the one you only partially quoted.

 

[forkup]

You still haven't provided the post number where your plan is.

Well, I did. And you haven't even tried to address it.

 

[Rawley]

That’s OK.

We have every intention of shoving your fuhrer’s duplicity and stupidity down your throats every chance we get. We have plenty of material and the fool in the White House makes more cofeve every day.

And without offering an alternative of your own,

 

[DonGlock26]

Well, I did. And you haven't even tried to address it.

I appreciate your post. I don't really see a plan in your post to force the Russians out though.

 

[Mac-7]

What do you think is the reality? Do you think "ending the war" will prevent Putin from simply starting it up again the moment he has gathered enough force again. What's there to stop him?

The US is making it clear they won't.

Peace will last until the next cross-dressing democrat administration is in office

Putin will bide his time till then

 

[forkup]

If the US didn't promise to use the US military to defend the Ukraine, then we have no obligation to do so and the Ukrainians should have known that. In hindsight, they should have kept them.

Yes, hindsight being that a US president would be more aligned to a Russian dictator then to Western Democracy.

I see you aren't ever going to address anything I said besides the one thing you think you can lawyer.

 

[forkup]

Peace will last until the next cross-dressing democrat administration is in office

Putin will bide his time till then

Why? Do you claim Trump would object?

 

[kyzr]

It is if you want to lay claim to “leader of the free world”.

I don't want that title

In fact, it is exactly our place to lead the western alliance in crises like this.

Trump is trying to broker a peace deal

But if you think retreating into isolationism and inconsequence …….

If its cheaper, yes. We're tapped out.

 

[forkup]

I appreciate your post. I don't really see a plan in your post to force the Russians out though.

I do know the plan in Europe at the moment is to help Ukraine outlast Russia, by resisting and driving up the cost.

Second paragraph.

 

[Edgetho]

If there is one thing that the Russians do well, it is to absorb casualties. What if, Putin calls up another million troops in time for the mud to dry up in the spring?

Russia is fighting WW2 in the 21st Century.

And it's going to cost them. Even if they win, they lose. Ukraine has shown they are willing to fight to the death. And I don't blame them for that. Better to die fighting like a Man than to be starved to death in some gulag.

And if Russia does take over Ukraine, the remaining Ukrainian fighters in what's left of Ukraine will conduct Guerilla Warfare such as has never been seen before on this Earth.

Putin fucked up. Now he's looking for a way out. Zelenskyy wants every bit of his territory back and I don't blame him. But he also has to recognize the reality of the situation.

Putin wants access to the Crimean Peninsula that he already stole from Ukraine. Let him have it, I say.

The way things are going, as badly as Russia is being hurt, it might all end up being part of Ukraine in the near future anyway.

dimocrap scum, namely one Bill The Rapist Clinton, caused the political situation in Russia as it exists today.

We brought down the USSR without a 'Hot' war and we can bring down Putin. Hopefully without MILLIONS of dead this time. If we abandon Ukraine, we doom Millions to their deaths because Putin isn't going to stop. He laid out his goals in the 90's. Wasn't anybody listening??

 

[Edgetho]

It depends on the scale of the war. If the Marines land in South Korea to support the US Army as they did on Okinawa, they will need tanks.

Inchon??

Not the best analogy.

 

[forkup]

If there is one thing that the Russians do well, it is to absorb casualties. What if, Putin calls up another million troops in time for the mud to dry up in the spring?

Is Russia still in Afghanistan today? Or the US in Vietnam? I think not. You know why?

I'll tell you. Because keeping up their forces in the field caused internal turmoil to the point of severe civil upheaval in the US and some would argue outright collapse of the regime in the case of Russia. A Russia that was a SERIOUS superpower at the time.

Why is it that this can't happen now in your opinion?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Bill Clinton admits regret for having Ukraine give up nuclear weapons

Former President Bill Clinton has expressed remorse over his role in negotiating a 1994 deal that resulted in Ukraine giving up its nuclear arsenal, suggesting that Russia never would have invaded …

nypost.com

Go and read about Ukraine's nuclear weapons. They were all but unusable, they need regular and sophisticated maintenance and up-keep and all of that expertise was in Russia not Ukraine. Parts, safety management, security of the facilities etc. all cost money.

The cost of keeping and maintaining nuclear weapons was the reason they were not kept.

 

[otto105]

How does the plan drive Putin from Ukrainian territory exactly?

Military weapons, sanctions and isolation of Russia politically.

The maga plan is to get fucked by pootin.