what is the lefts plan to end the war in Ukraine ?

[DonGlock26]

and the Tanks we took away from the Marines (as soon as we get the crayon markings off the hulls).

As a former US Army cavalry scout, I have to laugh at that friendly dig.

Seriously, the USMC getting rid of all MBTs is stupid. The USMC & US Army used tanks to break the back of Japanese resistance in the Pacific.

 

[Mac-7]

It's been asked in many threads.

And it will keep coming up as long as the war continues

Libs want to criticize others without taking responsibility for any ideas of their own

 

[DonGlock26]

You never answered. So four years from now, a few hundred more billions and a few hundred thousand more dead, then what?

 

[TimFitz]

This isn't a backwater issue any longer. Z-Man just got kicked out of the Oval Office.

It was never a backwater issue.

Trump kissed Putin’s ass again and picked a fight with Zelinsky.

Trump never had any intention of ever keeping his word to Zelinsky or Ukraine.

Zelinsky knows that.

Trump tried to blackmail him twice, and failed both times.

Putin has no intention of honoring any agreement.

Zelinsky knows that too.

 

[Mac-7]

It was never a backwater issue.

Trump kissed Putin’s ass again and picked a fight with Zelinsky.

Trump never had any intention of ever keeping his word to Zelinsky or Ukraine.

Zelinsky knows that.

Trump tried to blackmail him twice, and failed both times.

Putin has no intention of honoring any agreement.

Zelinsky knows that too.

Ukraine is losing the war

Thats a basic fact that libs continue to overlook

 

[DonGlock26]

I have many times.

Post your plan here:

 

[DonGlock26]

It's been asked in many threads.

You have the floor. Lay out your plan here.

 

[forkup]

We hear a lot of saber-rattling about Putin from the Left. The Left appears to oppose Trump's attempt to broker a peace agreement in Ukraine.
So, what's the Left's plan to defeat Putin?

I don't know about the "left".

I do know the plan in Europe at the moment is to help Ukraine outlast Russia, by resisting and driving up the cost.

See, for all these Trump/Russia sycophants claims of futility of resisting and cries for peace by simply giving Putin a victory there are more than a couple facts that show the dishonesty of the give Putin what he wants argument and necessity of the resist option.

Fact one. Russia's GDP is the size of the Benelux countries. Not the EU's GDP but the combined GDP of 3 of it's smaller countries. At the moment Russia is funding its efforts by letting inflation run rampant, AND spending a CONSIDERABLE amount of it's GDP on its military. That is not sustainable in the long term.

Fact two. There is NO guarantee that Putin will honor ANY peace deal. In fact considering this is his third (attempted) landgrab in a decade why does anybody think that Putin is trustworthy?

Fact three. Ukraine got security guarantees from among others Russia and the US, when they gave up their nuclear weapons. How is peace served by making clear that NOBODY will stand up for small nations when they get attacked even when they were promised security? It's not all that hard for a developed nation to make nuclear weapons. If I was let's say... Latvia a nuke sound like a great idea by now.

Fact four. Speaking of the Baltic States. Not only are they in the crosshairs of Putin, not only are they a member of NATO. By making it clear that America will NOT honor any deals previous made and that Trump is more hostile to Ukraine and its European allies than he is to Russia. If I was Putin and I'd fancy another gamble, those countries seem like a good next target.



Fact five. History is full of smaller countries resisting bigger one until they give up. Vietnam, Afghanistan 2 times no less, to name a few recent examples. Against countries that have more power than Russia has today.

 

[TimFitz]

And it will keep coming up as long as the war continues

Libs want to criticize others without taking responsibility for any ideas of their own

That’s OK.

We have every intention of shoving your fuhrer’s duplicity and stupidity down your throats every chance we get. We have plenty of material and the fool in the White House makes more cofeve every day.

 

[DonGlock26]

It was never a backwater issue.

Trump kissed Putin’s ass again and picked a fight with Zelinsky.

Trump never had any intention of ever keeping his word to Zelinsky or Ukraine.

Zelinsky knows that.

Trump tried to blackmail him twice, and failed both times.

Putin has no intention of honoring any agreement.

Zelinsky knows that too.

What is your plan to get Putin out of Ukraine?

 

[Rawley]

Post your plan here:

He doesn't have one. He's full of shit

 

[Oddball]

Must be another one of your made up childish labels.

Trump is the one who is doing all the chest thumping.

And he doesn’t have any cards.

You wouldn't know what the fuck to think if you weren't told so by your betters, so STFU.

 

[Edgetho]

​

Invisible Losses: Tens of thousands fighting for Russia are dying unnoticed on the frontline in Ukraine

The Kremlin’s recruitment policy is shielding society from the true impact of war.

www.bbc.com

Counting the dead​

Russia's actual losses are almost certainly substantially higher than open-source data can reveal. The military analysts we have consulted estimate that the BBC's research, which is based on graveyards, war memorials, and obituaries, probably captures only 45% to 65% of total casualties.

Added to which, the bodies of many of those killed in recent months likely remain on the battlefield, since retrieving them requires living soldiers to risk exposure to drone strikes.

Given the estimate above, the true number of Russian military deaths could range from 146,194 to 211,169. If one adds estimated losses from DPR and LPR forces, the total number of Russian-aligned fatalities may range from 167,194 to 234,669.

 

[imawhosure]

It was never a backwater issue.

Trump kissed Putin’s ass again and picked a fight with Zelinsky.

Trump never had any intention of ever keeping his word to Zelinsky or Ukraine.

Zelinsky knows that.

Trump tried to blackmail him twice, and failed both times.

Putin has no intention of honoring any agreement.

Zelinsky knows that too.

Ukraine is losing the war

Thats a basic fact that libs continue to overlook

Are you all laughing yet, I am-) Talk about a narrative from Fitzwilly, lol. He knows what everyone tried to do, he knows what everyone is now thinking, he can even see into the future. Is his real name the Great Karnak, lolololol. Having all these Leftist superpowers bestowed upon him, what is he doing here?!?!?!?! He should be at the bank counting all the money he wins from the lottery each and every week, because using his mighty Leftist Superpowers, he knows the winning numbers in advance hehehehehehehehee!

 

[DonGlock26]

I don't know about the "left".

I do know the plan in Europe at the moment is to help Ukraine outlast Russia, by resisting and driving up the cost.

See, for all these Trump/Russia sycophants claims of futility of resisting and cries for peace by simply giving Putin a victory there are more than a couple facts that show the dishonesty of the give Putin what he wants argument and necessity of the resist option.

Fact one. Russia's GDP is the size of the Benelux countries. Not the EU's GDP but the combined GDP of 3 of it's smaller countries. At the moment Russia is funding its efforts by letting inflation run rampant, AND spending a CONSIDERABLE amount of it's GDP on its military. That is not sustainable in the long term.

Fact two. There is NO guarantee that Putin will honor ANY peace deal. In fact considering this is his third (attempted) landgrab in a decade why does anybody think that Putin is trustworthy?

Fact three. Ukraine got security guarantees from among others Russia and the US, when they gave up their nuclear weapons. How is peace served by making clear that NOBODY will stand up for small nations when they get attacked even when they were promised security? It's not all that hard for a developed nation to make nuclear weapons. If I was let's say... Latvia a nuke sound like a great idea by now.

Fact four. Speaking of the Balic States. Not only are they in the crosshairs of Putin, not only are they a member of NATO. By making it clear that America will NOT honor any deals previous made and that Trump is more hostile to Ukraine and its European allies than he is to Russia. If I was Putin and I'd fancy another gamble, those countries seem like a good next target.



Fact five. History is full of smaller countries resisting bigger one until the give up. Vietnam, Afghanistan 2 times no less, to name a few recent examples. Against countries that have more power than Russia has today.

I'm not so sure about the security guarantees.


"Another key point was that U.S. State Department lawyers made a distinction between "security guarantee" and "security assurance", referring to the security guarantees that were desired by Ukraine in exchange for non-proliferation. "Security guarantee" would have implied the use of military force in assisting its non-nuclear parties attacked by an aggressor (such as Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty for NATO members) while "security assurance" would simply specify the non-violation of these parties' territorial integrity. In the end, a statement was read into the negotiation record that the (according to the U.S. lawyers) lesser sense of the English word "assurance" would be the sole implied translation for all appearances of both terms in all three language versions of the statement.[19]"

Budapest Memorandum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[pknopp]

And it will keep coming up as long as the war continues

Libs want to criticize others without taking responsibility for any ideas of their own

Maybe they can simply jump from one to another like Trump?

 

[Oddball]

​

Invisible Losses: Tens of thousands fighting for Russia are dying unnoticed on the frontline in Ukraine

The Kremlin’s recruitment policy is shielding society from the true impact of war.

www.bbc.com

Counting the dead​

Russia's actual losses are almost certainly substantially higher than open-source data can reveal. The military analysts we have consulted estimate that the BBC's research, which is based on graveyards, war memorials, and obituaries, probably captures only 45% to 65% of total casualties.

Added to which, the bodies of many of those killed in recent months likely remain on the battlefield, since retrieving them requires living soldiers to risk exposure to drone strikes.

Given the estimate above, the true number of Russian military deaths could range from 146,194 to 211,169. If one adds estimated losses from DPR and LPR forces, the total number of Russian-aligned fatalities may range from 167,194 to 234,669.

Russia always fights wars of attrition, and always will.

The bloodlusting warmonger shitlibs will fight the war to the last Ukrainian.

 

[DonGlock26]

​

Invisible Losses: Tens of thousands fighting for Russia are dying unnoticed on the frontline in Ukraine

The Kremlin’s recruitment policy is shielding society from the true impact of war.

www.bbc.com

Counting the dead​

Russia's actual losses are almost certainly substantially higher than open-source data can reveal. The military analysts we have consulted estimate that the BBC's research, which is based on graveyards, war memorials, and obituaries, probably captures only 45% to 65% of total casualties.

Added to which, the bodies of many of those killed in recent months likely remain on the battlefield, since retrieving them requires living soldiers to risk exposure to drone strikes.

Given the estimate above, the true number of Russian military deaths could range from 146,194 to 211,169. If one adds estimated losses from DPR and LPR forces, the total number of Russian-aligned fatalities may range from 167,194 to 234,669.

If there is one thing that the Russians do well, it is to absorb casualties. What if, Putin calls up another million troops in time for the mud to dry up in the spring?

 

[pknopp]

You have the floor. Lay out your plan here.

I already did. Why did you leave it out of your quote?

You don't want answers. You just want some attention.

 

[DonGlock26]

I already did. Why did you leave it out of your quote?

You don't want answers. You just want some attention.

Which post number?