what is the lefts plan to end the war in Ukraine ?

[DonGlock26]

China has always wanted the resources in Siberia. It's not a primary purpose, but they could take advantage of the Russians pulling out to fight in Ukraine. They have even had border skirmishes throughout the cold war.

They could, but I doubt it. They are focused on the Western Pacific.

 

[DonGlock26]

No. I never said that. Marines are very good with amphibious assaults now that they have added an air assault element. You do realize the first large number of troops into Afghanistan were Marines, and not Army.

I believe they did, but the marines did not conduct an amphibious assault in either Kuwait or Iraq. The tanks did however participate in the liberation of Kuwait as the ground fighting commenced. One of my closest friends in high school joined the Marine Reserve after graduation and eventually made it to bird colonel as a tanker, Marines did all of their initial training with the Army at Fort Knox back in the day where I worked.

Basically, the USMC has acted as army troops for decades. In those missions, they used tanks just as they used them in WWII and Korea.

Yes the USMC sent their tankers the Ft Knox. I saw them there as I trained to be cavalry scout. Our DI had us watch their marching as an example.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

They could, but I doubt it. They are focused on the Western Pacific.

They want oil. Siberia has oil too.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Basically, the USMC has acted as army troops for decades. In those missions, they used tanks just as they used them in WWII and Korea.

Yes the USMC sent their tankers the Ft Knox. I saw them there as I trained to be cavalry scout. Our DI had us watch their marching as an example.

But they never brought the tanks ashore in an amphibious assault. That is my point. Why not bring in Army tanks when needed just like they do with the Marine's tanks?

 

[martybegan]

Funny, the US Army qualifies you in most MOS's in 16-24 weeks.

Just not seeing the problem here.

Look, man, I know you are keen on a craven surrender because Cheeto Jesus has demanded it, but if Ukraine loses, it will be because Trump betrayed them.

For a private. who then gets taught by their NCO's and then further training as they go up the chain.

I want Ukraine to win, I just don't see how it happens without direct European intervention.

And looking at the status of Europe's armies, I doubt that might even work.

Netherlands has 3 BRIGADES.

Belgium has the equivalent of 12 BATTALIONS.

France and Germany may be better off, but not much.

And the Poles would have to keep a substantial amount of their forces on their own border, same for the Baltic Countries.

 

[martybegan]

That's not really true as they are buying weapons from the NORKs and other Russian allies.

I doubt they are substantial purchases.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

For a private. who then gets taught by their NCO's and then further training as they go up the chain.

I want Ukraine to win, I just don't see how it happens without direct European intervention.

And looking at the status of Europe's armies, I doubt that might even work.

Netherlands has 3 BRIGADES.

Belgium has the equivalent of 12 BATTALIONS.

France and Germany may be better off, but not much.

And the Poles would have to keep a substantial amount of their forces on their own border, same for the Baltic Countries.

We have troops in Poland.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I doubt they are substantial purchases.

They had to make them because they are running out.

 

[martybegan]

We have troops in Poland.

10,000, and details are light on what type they are.

Even if all combat troops, that's a short Division.

 

[martybegan]

They had to make them because they are running out.

Of specific things maybe. Again details are very short on what is actually being purchased.

 

[Mac-7]

Russia was 4 times larger three years ago. Still not broken through. I don't care how many times you keep on repeating that broken ass prediction not supported by the situation on the ground. I will keep on repeating that.

That really is your thing now isn't it. Repeating the same statements over and over again without ever trying to support it.

Its not my prediction that Ukraine is losing the war

Its patently obvious

Unless NATO intervenes with direct military force the best we can hope for is a stalemate

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

10,000, and details are light on what type they are.

Even if all combat troops, that's a short Division.

Armored Cav. My son-in-law to be deployed there a few years back.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Of specific things maybe. Again details are very short on what is actually being purchased.

Artillery shells. Details are not as short as you believe.

 

[martybegan]

Armored Cav. My son-in-law to be deployed there a few years back.

So a Brigade designed more for taking territory than holding it.

 

[martybegan]

Artillery shells. Details are not as short as you believe.

So munitions, not equipment.

More than likely it's because the Nork ones are newer, and the ones they have in stockpiles are considered unreliable due to age.

 

[Mac-7]

So not sure how trying to steal half of Ukraine's mineral wealth while cutting off weapons does that.

As opposed to the euros forcing Ukraine to sign IOUs for the money and arms they sent?

We are not stealing mineral wealth from the Ukes

American firms will invest in the mining costs and then buy half the minerals at fair market value

Thats a good deal because it connects the US and Ukraine economically

 

[forkup]

Its not my prediction that Ukraine is losing the war

Its patently obvious

Unless NATO intervenes with direct military force the best we can hope for is a stalemate

Obvious to whom. Not to anybody who can see a map and sees a nearly stagnant frontline. And no not stalemate.

A point where the cost of maintaining the offensive breaks either the Ukranians or the Russians will too continue, and you MAC, cannot, and have not, articulated any reason why it has to be the Ukranians.

 

[Ringo]

Zelensky suddenly lost his talent for negotiating and begging for money. Maybe he never had it, huh? Maybe it wasn't Zelensky, maybe it was Biden?

 

[martybegan]

Obvious to whom. Not to anybody who can see a map and sees a nearly stagnant frontline. And no not stalemate.

A point where the cost of maintaining the offensive breaks either the Ukranians or the Russians will continue, and you MAC, cannot, and have not, articulated any reason why it has to be the Ukranians.

Smaller population base, smaller industrial base, less materials.

Just giving Ukraine western equipment without providing the years of western training needed to use them properly is a small advantage over the Russians only.

 

[Mac-7]

The Afghans did, with a lot less than what Ukraine has to work with.

The afghans did not drive the Americans out even after 20 years of war

If the euros and Ukes want to repeat the mistakes of george bush and barack obama they can do it without our help