what is the lefts plan to end the war in Ukraine ?

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The "squat-to-pee Democrat" brought together EU and US foreign aid to Ukraine so they could resist.

I dont question the courage and sacrifice of the Ukrainian people

They are world hero’s

But its time to negotiate a peace because the Ukraines cannot defeat the russians in a war of bloody attrition

You don't question it? Good for you. Trump on the other hand does. To the point of withdrawing further aid, and voting AGAINST saying that Putin was the aggressor. A vote China and Iran abstained from. Trump is more pro-Russia then either Iran or China. That is the message he's sending to Russia and the rest of the world.

So I'll ask again. Why would Putin not try to expand further while the getting is good?

 

[Mac-7]

You don't question it? Good for you. Trump on the other hand does. To the point on voting AGAINST saying that Putin was the aggressor. A vote China and Iran abstained from. Trump is more pro-Russia then either Iran or China. That is the message he's sending to Russia and the rest of the world.

So I'll ask again. Why would Putin not try to expand further while the getting is good?

Trump on the other hand does.

Thats a lie

Trump is trying to broker a cease-fire that involves the russians

Which requires diplomacy

The ukraines dont need a rah-rah cheerleader, they need peace that saves their country from being totally overrun by russia

 

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Trump on the other hand does.

Thats a lie

Trump is trying to broker a cease-fire that involves the russians

Which requires diplomacy

The ukraines dont need a rah-rah cheerleader, they need peace that saves their country from being totally overrun by russia

Thats a lie

Oh is it? MSN

This didn't happen?

Which requires diplomacy

Oh really Diplomacy? Like this.

MSN

Or this.

Zelinski trump - Search Videos

www.bing.com

This really is some top-notch diplomatic effort.

So I'll ask again. What does an honest man conclude when diplomacy means that the agressor is not condemned, while those that are defending against the aggressor are attacked?

As for this.

totally overrun by russia

We had this conversation yesterday. You ran like Usain Bolt from trying to explain why after 3 years of holding of the Russians it all of a sudden would become impossible to do so.

 

[Mac-7]

Oh is it? MSN

This didn't happen?

Oh really Diplomacy? Like this.

MSN

Or this.

Zelinski trump - Search Videos

www.bing.com

This really is some top-notch diplomatic effort.

So I'll ask again. What does an honest man conclude when diplomacy means that the agressor is not condemned, while those that are defending against the aggressor are attacked?

As for this.


We had this conversation yesterday. You ran like Usain Bolt from trying to explain why after 3 years of holding of the Russians it all of a sudden would become impossible to do so.

You are taking the position that a cease-fire is somehow bad for Ukraine

That argument makes no sense

 

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You are taking the position that a cease-fire is somehow bad for Ukraine

That argument makes no sense

Oh doesn't it? Let me put it in an analogy then.

Mexico invades and occupies Texas. The US is resisting, and they are holding them, but they are dependent on Canada to hold the line. Now Canada is demanding that you broker a peace deal, ceding Texas to Mexico, and if you don't agree Canada refuses aid. While simultaneously Canada votes against recognizing Mexico as the aggressor, AND the US president publicly being dressed down.

Would you accept that as a good deal for the US.


The ONLY reason Ukraine is contemplating a cease-fire is because they KNOW that under Trump the US is looking for a way to stop support. Something that has since happened.

 

[Mac-7]

Oh doesn't it? Let me put it in an analogy then.

Mexico invades and occupies Texas. The US is resisting, and they are holding them, but they are dependent on Canada to hold the line. Now Canada is demanding that you broker a peace deal, ceding Texas to Mexico, and if you don't agree Canada refuses aid. While simultaneously Canada votes against recognizing Mexico as the aggressor, AND the US president publicly being dressed down.

Would you accept that as a good deal for the US.


The ONLY reason Ukraine is contemplating a cease-fire is because they KNOW that under Trump the US is looking for a way to stop support. Something that has since happened.

The ONLY reason Ukraine is contemplating a cease-fire is because they KNOW that under Trump the US is looking for a way to stop support. Something that has since happened.

I can think of another reason for a cease-fire

Russia is 4 times larger than Ukraine

Ukraine is losing the war, along with more lost territory and more dead soldiers

 

[DonGlock26]

The battle of Okinawa was a joint Army-USMC operation from the beginning.

Of course.

 

[Zavulon]

America doesn't purposefully kill civilians ..

Of course you do.

and name one country we invaded with the intention of seizing it ..

Mexico. Parts of it (Texas, California, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Utah, Colorado and part of Wyoming) were taken and annexed. Hawaii.
And no, annexation means responsibility. It's much more moral action, comparing with bombing, seeding chaos and then leaving. Compare wealth and safety of people of California and people of Iraq.

we could have done that at the end of WW2 and we didn't .. however Russia seized and took over vast territories at the end of WW2 .. y'all ain't gonna be allowed to rebuild the Soviet Union !

We are not going to rebuild the Soviet Union, at least not in it previous form. But rebuilding Russian Empire, which will include, among other territories, Alaska and California - why not?

 

[DonGlock26]

When was the last time the Marines conducted an amphibious assault during wartime? I believe it was in Korea. Tanks are harder than hell to use in a modern amphib assault because of their massive weight. An LCAC can carry one.

Are you making an argument to get rid of the USMC, since we haven't taken a large beach since Korea?

Did the Marines use tanks in Kuwait and Iraq? I believe so.

 

[DonGlock26]

They don't have a million troops that can be called up. If they did, the Chinese would invade Siberia.

Why would the Chinese do that?

 

[JoeB131]

I agree that putin can be contained only until the next spineless, squat-to-pee democrat is elected president

Putin will behave himself only as long as trump is in the Oval Office

But after that…

He's not behaving himself now.

Biden stood up to Russian aggression.

Trump enables it.

 

[JoeB131]

The "squat-to-pee Democrat" brought together EU and US foreign aid to Ukraine so they could resist.

I dont question the courage and sacrifice of the Ukrainian people

They are world hero’s

But its time to negotiate a peace because the Ukraines cannot defeat the russians in a war of bloody attrition

Who says they can't.

The Afghans did, with a lot less than what Ukraine has to work with.

The Russians are not ten feet tall and eat iron for breakfast. They are largely scared dudes in museum grade tanks hoping to not get killed.

 

[DonGlock26]

Who says they can't.

The Afghans did, with a lot less than what Ukraine has to work with.

The Russians are not ten feet tall and eat iron for breakfast. They are largely scared dudes in museum grade tanks hoping to not get killed.

Ukraine isn't a mountainous redoubt.

 

[JoeB131]

Trump on the other hand does.

Thats a lie

Trump is trying to broker a cease-fire that involves the russians

Which requires diplomacy

The ukraines dont need a rah-rah cheerleader, they need peace that saves their country from being totally overrun by russia

So not sure how trying to steal half of Ukraine's mineral wealth while cutting off weapons does that.

Seems like kind of the opposite of that.

FDR in 1941 - "Hey, Churchill, we are going to cut off weapons shipments and we want you to sign over half your mineral wealth, and we should really let Hitler keep what he's conquered so far!"

Yeah, now you see how silly it sounds.

 

[JoeB131]

Ukraine isn't a mountainous redoubt.

Why does that make a difference?

The point is, they've already beaten the Russians back and are holding them to just four Oblasts.

Russia will break long before Ukraine does. Probably right after your average Russian realizes the Donbas isn't worth the cost.

Unless some traitor sells out Ukraine because he doesn't want the Pee Tape to get leaked on the internet.

 

[DonGlock26]

Why does that make a difference?

The point is, they've already beaten the Russians back and are holding them to just four Oblasts.

Russia will break long before Ukraine does. Probably right after your average Russian realizes the Donbas isn't worth the cost.

Unless some traitor sells out Ukraine because he doesn't want the Pee Tape to get leaked on the internet.

You really don’t grasp the difference between plains and mountains in military operations?

 

[JoeB131]

You really don’t grasp the difference between plains and mountains in military operations?

Sure I do.

You need to spend time creating defensive positions.

But this funny thing, mountains can be overcome. We did it in WWII in Italy.

Guy, not sure why you want Russia to win, other than you are drinking the bleach.

Of course, by the time Trump gets done wrecking the economy, we'll have much bigger problems.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Are you making an argument to get rid of the USMC, since we haven't taken a large beach since Korea?

Did the Marines use tanks in Kuwait and Iraq? I believe so.

No. I never said that. Marines are very good with amphibious assaults now that they have added an air assault element. You do realize the first large number of troops into Afghanistan were Marines, and not Army.

I believe they did, but the marines did not conduct an amphibious assault in either Kuwait or Iraq. The tanks did however participate in the liberation of Kuwait as the ground fighting commenced. One of my closest friends in high school joined the Marine Reserve after graduation and eventually made it to bird colonel as a tanker, Marines did all of their initial training with the Army at Fort Knox back in the day where I worked.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Why would the Chinese do that?

China has always wanted the resources in Siberia. It's not a primary purpose, but they could take advantage of the Russians pulling out to fight in Ukraine. They have even had border skirmishes throughout the cold war.

 

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The ONLY reason Ukraine is contemplating a cease-fire is because they KNOW that under Trump the US is looking for a way to stop support. Something that has since happened.

I can think of another reason for a cease-fire

Russia is 4 times larger than Ukraine

Ukraine is losing the war, along with more lost territory and more dead soldiers

Russia was 4 times larger three years ago. Still not broken through. I don't care how many times you keep on repeating that broken ass prediction not supported by the situation on the ground. I will keep on repeating that.

That really is your thing now isn't it. Repeating the same statements over and over again without ever trying to support it.