The Failed Ukraine Peace Deal

[JimH52]

Trump is right. The war in Ukraine needs to end.

Zelensky is right. Putin will not keep his word.

These are two irreparable facts, and as is always with the Russians there are no easy answers.

Zelensky agrees with Trump that the war in Ukraine needs to end.

However, Trump does NOT agree with Zelensky that Putin will not keep his word.

Thus, you have a disagreement which broke out into an argument in the Oval Office yesterday.

We may not know how this will turn out, but these two facts will not change:

• The war has gone on too long and is at the point where, for comparison, in our Vietnam War the impact of the war spilled out into American streets in disagreements, protests, and riots. The same is not happening in Russia because of Putin’s dictatorial control and censorship of his nation, but the tension and impact of the war is still there in Russia and something must break.
• Putin, who is a thug and a bully by nature, will not give up Ukraine at any cost and therefore any agreement he makes that appears to be a peace gesture is in reality only for Putin to stall the West’s efforts so that he can come back a few years later and try to take a weakened Ukraine again, which based upon past behaviors he will definitely try to do. This in fact is skilled, though quite devious military strategy – to hit the enemy at their weakest especially if they believe the enemy wants peace, and Putin, despite the massive loss of life which means little to him, is a clever and devious diplomatic strategist who is playing the US. Zelensky, the Ukrainians, and most European nations seemingly know this. Trump either doesn’t know this or is ignoring that key fact to secure the very necessary peace deal. But the only way to checkmate a strategist like Putin is to do as Zelensky wants and create a US security guarantee: weapons, ammo, anything to stop the future Russian military advance.

So again: STALEMENT, because Trump right now is the US and the US is not listening to what the Ukrainians and Europeans are saying. The US is only talking about peace and not security. It is surely understandable why Trump doesn’t want to offer security. After all, Putin probably made it clear that he will not accept peace if the US offers security to Ukraine. Trump should know that is classic Putin to accept deals only on his terms, deals that appear advantageous to the negotiator that are in effect mostly advantageous to Putin.

Peace for Putin is just another of saying, “I’ll be back to finish this later.” Security against Putin forces him to constantly reassess, which is what he’s been doing throughout the war until now as he sees a light at the end of the tunnel in this Trump deal and a way for him to eventually get all of Ukraine if he just accepts the “Peace” and waits out the West’s disinterest in Ukraine so that he can finish what he started.

…and perhaps even get more.

Yes, Poootin is a Thug and a Buly. So is trump.
The man that took Poootin's word over US Intel is also a Liar.

 

[CosmicRocker]

Those were illegal breakaway states formed by Russian troops, Ukraine has all the right to fight them.

It could have been avoided with autonomy for LPR and DRP..Kyiv has weak ties to the east. They are much closer and Russian in nature. So a smart move would have given the eastern oblasts autonomy, but still under Ukr rule

 

[Zavulon]

It could have been avoided with autonomy for LPR and DRP..Kyiv has weak ties to the east. They are much closer and Russian in nature. So a smart move would have given the eastern oblasts autonomy, but still under Ukr rule

But it was exactly the reason for Maidan coup. Banderovci don't need freedom for themselves. Federalisation of Ukraine could help it. They need to abuse, supress and kill Russians.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Putin can’t be trusted to live up to his side of the bargain in a ceasefire agreement.

Putin can be trusted to live up to his side of the treaty right up until the second it’s to his advantage to violate it.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Putin can be trusted to live up to his side of the treaty right up until the second it’s to his advantage to violate it.

He’d make a hell of a democrat.

 

[Ringo]

As Russia takes back territory in Kursk after a movie worthy operation using a pipeline to get behind enemy lines, you'd think Ukraine would admit this was a desperate PR move that failed. Nope, don't worry about facing reality, as long as they think they can spin it as a success

The crazy thing is that continuing to spin Ukraine going into Kursk as a success, even after they achieved nothing they claimed they wanted to, and it all falling apart will still work on many, because they still have the power of the Western media propaganda machine behind them.