The Failed Ukraine Peace Deal

[Jay Zepher]

Trump is right. The war in Ukraine needs to end.

Zelensky is right. Putin will not keep his word.

These are two irreparable facts, and as is always with the Russians there are no easy answers.

Zelensky agrees with Trump that the war in Ukraine needs to end.

However, Trump does NOT agree with Zelensky that Putin will not keep his word.

Thus, you have a disagreement which broke out into an argument in the Oval Office yesterday.

We may not know how this will turn out, but these two facts will not change:

• The war has gone on too long and is at the point where, for comparison, in our Vietnam War the impact of the war spilled out into American streets in disagreements, protests, and riots. The same is not happening in Russia because of Putin’s dictatorial control and censorship of his nation, but the tension and impact of the war is still there in Russia and something must break.
• Putin, who is a thug and a bully by nature, will not give up Ukraine at any cost and therefore any agreement he makes that appears to be a peace gesture is in reality only for Putin to stall the West’s efforts so that he can come back a few years later and try to take a weakened Ukraine again, which based upon past behaviors he will definitely try to do. This in fact is skilled, though quite devious military strategy – to hit the enemy at their weakest especially if they believe the enemy wants peace, and Putin, despite the massive loss of life which means little to him, is a clever and devious diplomatic strategist who is playing the US. Zelensky, the Ukrainians, and most European nations seemingly know this. Trump either doesn’t know this or is ignoring that key fact to secure the very necessary peace deal. But the only way to checkmate a strategist like Putin is to do as Zelensky wants and create a US security guarantee: weapons, ammo, anything to stop the future Russian military advance.

So again: STALEMENT, because Trump right now is the US and the US is not listening to what the Ukrainians and Europeans are saying. The US is only talking about peace and not security. It is surely understandable why Trump doesn’t want to offer security. After all, Putin probably made it clear that he will not accept peace if the US offers security to Ukraine. Trump should know that is classic Putin to accept deals only on his terms, deals that appear advantageous to the negotiator that are in effect mostly advantageous to Putin.

Peace for Putin is just another of saying, “I’ll be back to finish this later.” Security against Putin forces him to constantly reassess, which is what he’s been doing throughout the war until now as he sees a light at the end of the tunnel in this Trump deal and a way for him to eventually get all of Ukraine if he just accepts the “Peace” and waits out the West’s disinterest in Ukraine so that he can finish what he started.

…and perhaps even get more.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Trump is right. The war in Ukraine needs to end.

Zelensky is right. Putin will not keep his word.

These are two irreparable facts, and as is always with the Russians there are no easy answers.

Zelensky agrees with Trump that the war in Ukraine needs to end.

However, Trump does NOT agree with Zelensky that Putin will not keep his word.

Thus, you have a disagreement which broke out into an argument in the Oval Office yesterday.

We may not know how this will turn out, but these two facts will not change:

• The war has gone on too long and is at the point where, for comparison, in our Vietnam War the impact of the war spilled out into American streets in disagreements, protests, and riots. The same is not happening in Russia because of Putin’s dictatorial control and censorship of his nation, but the tension and impact of the war is still there in Russia and something must break.
• Putin, who is a thug and a bully by nature, will not give up Ukraine at any cost and therefore any agreement he makes that appears to be a peace gesture is in reality only for Putin to stall the West’s efforts so that he can come back a few years later and try to take a weakened Ukraine again, which based upon past behaviors he will definitely try to do. This in fact is skilled, though quite devious military strategy – to hit the enemy at their weakest especially if they believe the enemy wants peace, and Putin, despite the massive loss of life which means little to him, is a clever and devious diplomatic strategist who is playing the US. Zelensky, the Ukrainians, and most European nations seemingly know this. Trump either doesn’t know this or is ignoring that key fact to secure the very necessary peace deal. But the only way to checkmate a strategist like Putin is to do as Zelensky wants and create a US security guarantee: weapons, ammo, anything to stop the future Russian military advance.

So again: STALEMENT, because Trump right now is the US and the US is not listening to what the Ukrainians and Europeans are saying. The US is only talking about peace and not security. It is surely understandable why Trump doesn’t want to offer security. After all, Putin probably made it clear that he will not accept peace if the US offers security to Ukraine. Trump should know that is classic Putin to accept deals only on his terms, deals that appear advantageous to the negotiator that are in effect mostly advantageous to Putin.

Peace for Putin is just another of saying, “I’ll be back to finish this later.” Security against Putin forces him to constantly reassess, which is what he’s been doing throughout the war until now as he sees a light at the end of the tunnel in this Trump deal and a way for him to eventually get all of Ukraine if he just accepts the “Peace” and waits out the West’s disinterest in Ukraine so that he can finish what he started.

…and perhaps even get more.

I question the assumption that Trump gives a shit about the Ukraine war, why would he care about people dying when he's just handed another 3,000,000,000 dollars in military aid to Israel?

He's just cancelled all kinds of programs that will kill thousands around the world too, so let's be honest Trump does not care about people dying, there's no sound argument for that.

So why does he even spend time on this? Trump has no cards, he keeps saying he does, but he has nothing to offer Zelensky, nothing.

 

[Oddball]

Trump is right. The war in Ukraine needs to end.

Zelensky is right. Putin will not keep his word.

These are two irreparable facts, and as is always with the Russians there are no easy answers.

Zelensky agrees with Trump that the war in Ukraine needs to end.

However, Trump does NOT agree with Zelensky that Putin will not keep his word.

Thus, you have a disagreement which broke out into an argument in the Oval Office yesterday.

We may not know how this will turn out, but these two facts will not change:

• The war has gone on too long and is at the point where, for comparison, in our Vietnam War the impact of the war spilled out into American streets in disagreements, protests, and riots. The same is not happening in Russia because of Putin’s dictatorial control and censorship of his nation, but the tension and impact of the war is still there in Russia and something must break.
• Putin, who is a thug and a bully by nature, will not give up Ukraine at any cost and therefore any agreement he makes that appears to be a peace gesture is in reality only for Putin to stall the West’s efforts so that he can come back a few years later and try to take a weakened Ukraine again, which based upon past behaviors he will definitely try to do. This in fact is skilled, though quite devious military strategy – to hit the enemy at their weakest especially if they believe the enemy wants peace, and Putin, despite the massive loss of life which means little to him, is a clever and devious diplomatic strategist who is playing the US. Zelensky, the Ukrainians, and most European nations seemingly know this. Trump either doesn’t know this or is ignoring that key fact to secure the very necessary peace deal. But the only way to checkmate a strategist like Putin is to do as Zelensky wants and create a US security guarantee: weapons, ammo, anything to stop the future Russian military advance.

So again: STALEMENT, because Trump right now is the US and the US is not listening to what the Ukrainians and Europeans are saying. The US is only talking about peace and not security. It is surely understandable why Trump doesn’t want to offer security. After all, Putin probably made it clear that he will not accept peace if the US offers security to Ukraine. Trump should know that is classic Putin to accept deals only on his terms, deals that appear advantageous to the negotiator that are in effect mostly advantageous to Putin.

Peace for Putin is just another of saying, “I’ll be back to finish this later.” Security against Putin forces him to constantly reassess, which is what he’s been doing throughout the war until now as he sees a light at the end of the tunnel in this Trump deal and a way for him to eventually get all of Ukraine if he just accepts the “Peace” and waits out the West’s disinterest in Ukraine so that he can finish what he started.

…and perhaps even get more.

Putin won't keep his word?

The NATO cartel promised Russia that they wouldn't expand, right before they expanded into several nations....Ukraine was the line in the sand.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Trump is right. The war in Ukraine needs to end.

Zelensky is right. Putin will not keep his word.

These are two irreparable facts, and as is always with the Russians there are no easy answers.

Zelensky agrees with Trump that the war in Ukraine needs to end.

However, Trump does NOT agree with Zelensky that Putin will not keep his word.

Thus, you have a disagreement which broke out into an argument in the Oval Office yesterday.

We may not know how this will turn out, but these two facts will not change:

• The war has gone on too long and is at the point where, for comparison, in our Vietnam War the impact of the war spilled out into American streets in disagreements, protests, and riots. The same is not happening in Russia because of Putin’s dictatorial control and censorship of his nation, but the tension and impact of the war is still there in Russia and something must break.
• Putin, who is a thug and a bully by nature, will not give up Ukraine at any cost and therefore any agreement he makes that appears to be a peace gesture is in reality only for Putin to stall the West’s efforts so that he can come back a few years later and try to take a weakened Ukraine again, which based upon past behaviors he will definitely try to do. This in fact is skilled, though quite devious military strategy – to hit the enemy at their weakest especially if they believe the enemy wants peace, and Putin, despite the massive loss of life which means little to him, is a clever and devious diplomatic strategist who is playing the US. Zelensky, the Ukrainians, and most European nations seemingly know this. Trump either doesn’t know this or is ignoring that key fact to secure the very necessary peace deal. But the only way to checkmate a strategist like Putin is to do as Zelensky wants and create a US security guarantee: weapons, ammo, anything to stop the future Russian military advance.

So again: STALEMENT, because Trump right now is the US and the US is not listening to what the Ukrainians and Europeans are saying. The US is only talking about peace and not security. It is surely understandable why Trump doesn’t want to offer security. After all, Putin probably made it clear that he will not accept peace if the US offers security to Ukraine. Trump should know that is classic Putin to accept deals only on his terms, deals that appear advantageous to the negotiator that are in effect mostly advantageous to Putin.

Peace for Putin is just another of saying, “I’ll be back to finish this later.” Security against Putin forces him to constantly reassess, which is what he’s been doing throughout the war until now as he sees a light at the end of the tunnel in this Trump deal and a way for him to eventually get all of Ukraine if he just accepts the “Peace” and waits out the West’s disinterest in Ukraine so that he can finish what he started.

…and perhaps even get more.

I have not seen any of Trump’s ideas, suggestions, or recommendations about Ukraine that depend on Russia keeping their word.

Maybe you have some examples?

 

[Independent thinker]

Trump is right. The war in Ukraine needs to end.

Zelensky is right. Putin will not keep his word.

These are two irreparable facts, and as is always with the Russians there are no easy answers.

Zelensky agrees with Trump that the war in Ukraine needs to end.

However, Trump does NOT agree with Zelensky that Putin will not keep his word.

Thus, you have a disagreement which broke out into an argument in the Oval Office yesterday.

We may not know how this will turn out, but these two facts will not change:

• The war has gone on too long and is at the point where, for comparison, in our Vietnam War the impact of the war spilled out into American streets in disagreements, protests, and riots. The same is not happening in Russia because of Putin’s dictatorial control and censorship of his nation, but the tension and impact of the war is still there in Russia and something must break.
• Putin, who is a thug and a bully by nature, will not give up Ukraine at any cost and therefore any agreement he makes that appears to be a peace gesture is in reality only for Putin to stall the West’s efforts so that he can come back a few years later and try to take a weakened Ukraine again, which based upon past behaviors he will definitely try to do. This in fact is skilled, though quite devious military strategy – to hit the enemy at their weakest especially if they believe the enemy wants peace, and Putin, despite the massive loss of life which means little to him, is a clever and devious diplomatic strategist who is playing the US. Zelensky, the Ukrainians, and most European nations seemingly know this. Trump either doesn’t know this or is ignoring that key fact to secure the very necessary peace deal. But the only way to checkmate a strategist like Putin is to do as Zelensky wants and create a US security guarantee: weapons, ammo, anything to stop the future Russian military advance.

So again: STALEMENT, because Trump right now is the US and the US is not listening to what the Ukrainians and Europeans are saying. The US is only talking about peace and not security. It is surely understandable why Trump doesn’t want to offer security. After all, Putin probably made it clear that he will not accept peace if the US offers security to Ukraine. Trump should know that is classic Putin to accept deals only on his terms, deals that appear advantageous to the negotiator that are in effect mostly advantageous to Putin.

Peace for Putin is just another of saying, “I’ll be back to finish this later.” Security against Putin forces him to constantly reassess, which is what he’s been doing throughout the war until now as he sees a light at the end of the tunnel in this Trump deal and a way for him to eventually get all of Ukraine if he just accepts the “Peace” and waits out the West’s disinterest in Ukraine so that he can finish what he started.

…and perhaps even get more.

Don't need a lot of words just to say the world and the US has spent billions upon billions of dollars "helping" Ukraine, only for them to continue losing more territory every day.

 

[Cassandro]

Trump has no cards, he keeps saying he does, but he has nothing to offer Zelensky, nothing.

Keep telling yourself that as Zelenski comes crawling back for the mineral rights deal. Trump holds ALL the cards.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Keep telling yourself that as Zelenski comes crawling back for the mineral rights deal. Trump holds ALL the cards.

The one card that Trump does not hold is the Ukrainian presidency. The end of the war means elections. That's what Zelensky means to stop. Elections mean his wife's St. Moritz ski trips end.

 

[okfine]

Did I do good?

Yes, Good job Donnie, good job.

 

[Winco]

Where is the sit down meeting between Putin and Trump.

Trump wants to end this and have peace, we need to see this televised face to face meeting with Putin where trump can do his "Tough Talk" directly at Putin.

We all know that trump is terrified of Putin.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Apparently Putin only violates his word when democrats are president.

 

[task0778]

After the Soviet Union's collapse in the early 90's, Ukraine was left with the world's third-largest nuclear stockpile. In a treaty called the Budepest Memorandum (1994), Ukraine agreed to trade away its nukes, warheads and other nuclear infrastructure in exchange for guarantees that the three other treaty signatories — the U.S., the U.K. and Russia — will "respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine. But Russia (Putin) did not honor that agreement, and here we are.

If you were Ukraine, would you trust Putin to keep his word? Trump thinks he would, but why? Putin's objective has always been clear: he wants to restore the old USSR. He's not going to let a little thing like honesty and integrity get in his way.

 

[Rocko]

Apparently Putin only violates his word when democrats are president.

Putin can’t be trusted to live up to his side of the bargain in a ceasefire agreement.

 

[Cassandro]

If you were Ukraine, would you trust Putin to keep his word?

I would trust Putin to NOT attack US economic interests in Ukraine, as long as a Democrat is not in the White House. If I was Ukraine, THAT would be my biggest concern.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Putin can’t be trusted to live up to his side of the bargain in a ceasefire agreement.

Not of his own volition but with appropriate pressure he will. Trump brings that pressure and democrats don’t.

 

[Mac-7]

I question the assumption that Trump gives a shit about the Ukraine war, why would he care about people dying when he's just handed another 3,000,000,000 dollars in military aid to Israel?

He's just cancelled all kinds of programs that will kill thousands around the world too, so let's be honest Trump does not care about people dying, there's no sound argument for that.

So why does he even spend time on this? Trump has no cards, he keeps saying he does, but he has nothing to offer Zelensky, nothing.

Ukraine has no hope without US support

Thats a pretty big card

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Ukraine has no hope without US support

That all depends on Zelensky and the Ukraine government. It was a massive mistake to provoke Russia and sensible minds would admit that, including the EU who seem hell bent on acting like fools. Ukraine could simply admit defeat, accept territorial losses and end the war, but with the EU nudging them to continue I don't think Ukraine has a bright future.

Zelensky allowed his country to be used a weapon to attack Russia and that was insane, he will eventually pay a huge price as many of his countrymen have. Trusting the US was foolish as many people had warned.

That's a pretty big card

It isn't because trump doesn't want to a) continue hemorrhaging money to burn and b) engage in military conflict with Russia.

Since we (and everyone else with a brain) knows that, it amounts to having no cards to play. trump has just stated that Russia is no longer regarded as a cybersecurity threat, so it's clear he has no plans to fight Russia.

The Truman Doctrine is basically dead and Donald Trump killed it - on that point I agree with him, NATO should go the same way.

 

[Mac-7]

Trusting the US was foolish as many people had warned.

You mean trusting obama and later biden

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

You mean trusting obama and later biden

No, I do not mean that. The Truman Doctrine has been embraced by every administration since it's inception in 1947, for example Nixon fully supported it. Europe has faithfully followed along, agreeing to each and every US decision to encroach on Russia, they need to wake up, this is an opportunity trump has created, he's a dunce but on this specific issue I agree with him.

Europe is now actively seeking war with Russia and that is insane, foolish beyond words but is driven by dark forces, for example share prices of EU arms manufacturers are ramping as we speak, there's lots of money to be made.

Trump is the first president since Truman, to seek cordial relations with Russia, stop seeing Russia as a threat, perhaps you're too young to remember something called "the cold war".

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Putin won't keep his word?

The NATO cartel promised Russia that they wouldn't expand, right before they expanded into several nations....Ukraine was the line in the sand.

Why are you clouding the discussion with facts?

 

[Oddball]

Did I do good?


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Yes, Good job Donnie, good job.