What Is The Biggest Drawback Of Atheism?

[G.T.]

Do you think, aside from the "worship me" sort of stuff...that any Moral ways within your system are not apparent by a mere day to day observation of cause and effect? Which ones, if so...just kicking some ideas around...

I think they are quite apparent. We would lose sight of them were they not.

I mean..are there any that you can think of when one mentions "the morals of christianity" in which christianity has proprietary stake/ownership...of the idea? Aside from the woship the deity details...what are the morals unique to Judeo Christian values that Secular Humans havent discovered and exibited on their own...

 

[james bond]

Do you think, aside from the "worship me" sort of stuff...that any Moral ways within your system are not apparent by a mere day to day observation of cause and effect? Which ones, if so...just kicking some ideas around...

We hear cussing a lot and it takes the form of blaming God instead of Satan, but on a day-to-day basis we are not forced to judge objective moral values or be tempted ourselves to violate objective moral values unless it's against God. Personally, I try not to judge unless I am forced to such as evaluating someone for hire at work.

 

[G.T.]

Do you think, aside from the "worship me" sort of stuff...that any Moral ways within your system are not apparent by a mere day to day observation of cause and effect? Which ones, if so...just kicking some ideas around...

We hear cussing a lot and it takes the form of blaming God instead of Satan, but on a day-to-day basis we are not forced to judge objective moral values or be tempted ourselves to violate objective moral values unless it's against God. Personally, I try not to judge unless I am forced to such as evaluating someone for hire at work.

Im not sure what thats supposed to mean, but Id prefer not to get involved.

 

[james bond]

Well, let me say this. God made those commandments to fit all the different cultures and peoples across the world in an already fallen world. It had to fit people from the beginning of time to the future. He didn't say something that people would not believe like do not have wars. He himself commanded soldiers to kill in the OT. He killed everyone of Adam and Eve's generation along with plants and animals because the world had become evil. He killed people on the spot for not following his directions on holy relics of his. We also have catastrophes and innocent people are killed. The 10 commandments aren't made for God, but for people. We do not always understand nor are accepting of things that happen and caused by God. Yet, to blame him is not the answer. There are things that we may never understand such as the things that happened to Job.

God said not to kill which could mean much more and leaves it open to interpretation, i.e. humans come up with their own laws. It could apply to killing animals cruelly or unjustly and host of other things.

 

[G.T.]

Well, let me say this. God made those commandments to fit all the different cultures and peoples across the world in an already fallen world. It had to fit people from the beginning of time to the future. He didn't say something that people would not believe like do not have wars. He himself commanded soldiers to kill in the OT. He killed everyone of Adam and Eve's generation along with plants and animals because the world had become evil. He killed people on the spot for not following his directions on holy relics of his. We also have catastrophes and innocent people are killed. The 10 commandments aren't made for God, but for people. We do not always understand nor are accepting of things that happen and caused by God. Yet, to blame him is not the answer. There are things that we may never understand such as the things that happened to Job.

God said not to kill which could mean much more and leaves it open to interpretation, i.e. humans come up with their own laws. It could apply to killing animals cruelly or unjustly and host of other things.

Man, assertions are meaningless to me. Thats not meant to be offensive...its actually to save you time.

Meat and potatoes. Meat and potatoes.

All Xs play Y
Johnny is an X.
Therefore, Johnny plays Y.

 

[rightwinger]

I would expand the honor your father and mother to honor your family. Parents should honor their kids, make sure they are fed and clothed and protected. You should work hard to take care of your family

Do you have any kids? If you have kids, then do they call you by your first name or rightwinger instead of "Dad?" Such as "rightwinger, gimme some money?"

ETA: The difference is you can punish your kids (assuming you have some) for dishonoring you and your family. God can punish those who do not obey his 10 commandments after they die. You consider yourself a deity, but can't do squat. Your facts are feces.

I have kids..... I am their father
I, along with my wife created them

I do not set laws telling them to worship me, I do not demand they set aside one day a week to honor me. Before meals, I do not demand that they thank me

It is enough just that they are good people

 

[rightwinger]

Evolution is a FACT....it occurs
God is a THEORY

God is fact, but we have the Bible theory. Evolution is theory, too, but only has circumstantial evidence. It isn't backed up by the scientific method while the Bible theory is.

God is a theory of how the world was created. A theory that is unsupported by any scientific proof

Evolution, is a FACT. It happened and is still happening. It is supported by reams of scientific evidence including biology, DNA, fossil and geologic proof

 

[progressive hunter]

Evolution is a FACT....it occurs
God is a THEORY

God is fact, but we have the Bible theory. Evolution is theory, too, but only has circumstantial evidence. It isn't backed up by the scientific method while the Bible theory is.

God is a theory of how the world was created. A theory that is unsupported by any scientific proof

Evolution, is a FACT. It happened and is still happening. It is supported by reams of scientific evidence including biology, DNA, fossil and geologic proof

NO ITS NOT OR YOU WOULDNT BE KEEPING THE PROOF A SECRET,,,

 

[Hollie]

Well, let me say this. God made those commandments to fit all the different cultures and peoples across the world in an already fallen world. It had to fit people from the beginning of time to the future. He didn't say something that people would not believe like do not have wars. He himself commanded soldiers to kill in the OT. He killed everyone of Adam and Eve's generation along with plants and animals because the world had become evil. He killed people on the spot for not following his directions on holy relics of his. We also have catastrophes and innocent people are killed. The 10 commandments aren't made for God, but for people. We do not always understand nor are accepting of things that happen and caused by God. Yet, to blame him is not the answer. There are things that we may never understand such as the things that happened to Job.

God said not to kill which could mean much more and leaves it open to interpretation, i.e. humans come up with their own laws. It could apply to killing animals cruelly or unjustly and host of other things.

Could we just get the gods to speak for themselves without you presuming to interpret what they want?

 

[Meriweather]

I mean..are there any that you can think of when one mentions "the morals of christianity" in which christianity has proprietary stake/ownership...of the idea? Aside from the woship the deity details...what are the morals unique to Judeo Christian values that Secular Humans havent discovered and exibited on their own...

If I may, I would like to approach this from a different perspective. Some might call them morals, but in my mind it is mushiness, and it is my opinion this mushiness can be traced back to Christianity and what we might reference as the Christian morals of love, acceptance, and forgiveness. We decide it is not loving if there are winners and losers; nor is it loving if one puts remedial students in remedial classes. Alcoholics, drug addicts, criminals, those who cross borders illegally must be given a pass and money. The biggest problem with Christianity is that we do not stand up to and stand firm for our ideals. We cave at the first suggestion that this might be unloving and/or unforgiving. We are the biggest cowards on the planet.

Without question, every single Christian should be against divorce, remarriage, abortion, and sexual relations outside of marriage (between a man and woman). Yet who were the very first to cave? This does not mean treating others unkindly or in anyway discriminate against them. It does mean presenting an effective, loving, alternate courses or choices. We are the first who, as a whole, should have been turning our backs on public education for quite some time now. To my dismay, I did not, not in that, not in many other things. I may have decried some of it, but in more of a whisper than a bellow. I would have tripped over the first pebble on the way to Calvary.

When it comes to love and/or morals, we are mewling kittens.

 

[james bond]

Man, assertions are meaningless to me. Thats not meant to be offensive...its actually to save you time.

Meat and potatoes. Meat and potatoes.

All Xs play Y
Johnny is an X.
Therefore, Johnny plays Y.

I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean, but I'd prefer not to get involved .

 

[james bond]

I have kids..... I am their father
I, along with my wife created them

I do not set laws telling them to worship me, I do not demand they set aside one day a week to honor me. Before meals, I do not demand that they thank me

It is enough just that they are good people

You're mixing up God respect with parental respect like you did thinking you can do better coming up with commandments than God's 10 commandments. What an idiot you are . You do not have God powers. It makes me wonder what kind of control you have of your children?

 

[Taz]

Atheism has sex before marriage.

 

[presonorek]

Atheism has sex before marriage.

Are all atheists hedonistic? There are probably some atheist that do not like STD's.

 

[WinterBorn]

Atheism has sex before marriage.

Are all atheists hedonistic? There are probably some atheist that do not like STD's.

I am an atheist and I am something of a hedonist. I have never had an STD.

 

[rightwinger]

Evolution is a FACT....it occurs
God is a THEORY

God is fact, but we have the Bible theory. Evolution is theory, too, but only has circumstantial evidence. It isn't backed up by the scientific method while the Bible theory is.

God is a theory of how the world was created. A theory that is unsupported by any scientific proof

Evolution, is a FACT. It happened and is still happening. It is supported by reams of scientific evidence including biology, DNA, fossil and geologic proof

NO ITS NOT OR YOU WOULDNT BE KEEPING THE PROOF A SECRET,,,

It is hardly a secret that life forms on earth have gotten more complex over time

 

[rightwinger]

I have kids..... I am their father
I, along with my wife created them

I do not set laws telling them to worship me, I do not demand they set aside one day a week to honor me. Before meals, I do not demand that they thank me

It is enough just that they are good people

You're mixing up God respect with parental respect like you did thinking you can do better coming up with commandments than God's 10 commandments. What an idiot you are . You do not have God powers. It makes me wonder what kind of control you have of your children?

My Commandments listed in post 571 are much, much better than Gods

Read the Ten Commandments in the Bible and you can see that they are seriously lacking

 

[bigrebnc1775]

This thread is attacking atheist? toughen up buttercup maybe you shouldn't be a bleeding heart liberal with pinned up emotions If you think this thread is attacking you seek help.

You asked “why am I attacking another persons faith, in a thread that’s attacking atheism.

You’re being a hypocrite. You guys can dish but not take it.

Me thinks it’s because I accurately mock your fake ass religion.

Whose dishing what out? I'm not attacking you on your faith in atheism.I'm not even making fun of the fact that it takes more faith in the belief that BANG here we are than you were specifically created by someone a lot wiser than those who believe we came from pond scum.

How we got here is unknown but it was a natural occurrence.

No god pooped us here.

I love it that you guys think god is eternal but you don’t believe other universes existed before ours was born 13 billion years ago.

So for eternity before our universe god just sat in dead empty dark space?

wait a minute you just said you don't know how it got here but you said not by a god? Why couldn't a God create man? I myself was created by God for a special purpose that purpose is unknown to me. It's a special purpose

Sure god could have created the universe. But if he did, we know enough to know that he used natural forces to do it. For example, we came from a star that went super nova billions of years before our sun was born. Or millions of years. And the fragments that it spewed out made us and everything else in our solar system. It took billions of years for humans to come to be. And we came from monkeys who came from small mammal like rodents who came from creatures that crawled out of the water.

I've always said if god created life on earth he planted the first seed and evolution happened next. He didn't make adam out of sand and eve out of his rib. Know what I mean?

Long before organized religions were invented men debated if god existed. Some believed a god must have put us here and some said they didn't believe that. It was a healthy debate until someone (Moses) lied and said god talked to him. That ruined the debate forever. Now half of the people suggest they KNOW a god exists because he visited their ancestors. Fact.

God created man from the dirt man didn't evolve.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

This thread is attacking atheist? toughen up buttercup maybe you shouldn't be a bleeding heart liberal with pinned up emotions If you think this thread is attacking you seek help.

You asked “why am I attacking another persons faith, in a thread that’s attacking atheism.

You’re being a hypocrite. You guys can dish but not take it.

Me thinks it’s because I accurately mock your fake ass religion.

Whose dishing what out? I'm not attacking you on your faith in atheism.I'm not even making fun of the fact that it takes more faith in the belief that BANG here we are than you were specifically created by someone a lot wiser than those who believe we came from pond scum.

How we got here is unknown but it was a natural occurrence.

No god pooped us here.

I love it that you guys think god is eternal but you don’t believe other universes existed before ours was born 13 billion years ago.

So for eternity before our universe god just sat in dead empty dark space?

wait a minute you just said you don't know how it got here but you said not by a god? Why couldn't a God create man? I myself was created by God for a special purpose that purpose is unknown to me. It's a special purpose

I know all about what your special purpose is for

ok monkey boy it is ok to call you monkey since you believe that is were you came from

 

[BreezeWood]

I have kids..... I am their father
I, along with my wife created them

I do not set laws telling them to worship me, I do not demand they set aside one day a week to honor me. Before meals, I do not demand that they thank me

It is enough just that they are good people

You're mixing up God respect with parental respect like you did thinking you can do better coming up with commandments than God's 10 commandments. What an idiot you are . You do not have God powers. It makes me wonder what kind of control you have of your children?

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God's 10 commandments.

you have no idea what was written on those tablets, they were destroyed which in itself would be inexplicable were they actually written for humanity by its creator - proving again the deceit of all three desert religions.