Zone1 Christians: Should You Vote?

[hobelim]

Nice try but just admit you are attempting to change the meaning of what most understand. The people are dead and will come back alive without a hair on their head missing.

If "most" understand that then most do not understand that the resurrection of the dead is not about the resumption of a former existence but entry into a new existence.

In the parable of the prodigal son, the father said, "But it was only right that we should celebrate and rejoice, because this brother of yours was dead and has come to life; he was lost and now he is found.’" Luke 15:32

There are two resurrections. The first is from the death of false beliefs. The second is from death of the body.

In both cases the subject of the resurrection is not the resumption of a former existence but entry into a new existence. Those who partake in the first resurrection cannot be harmed by the second death, death of the body.

 

[hobelim]

Why is it that all your leftist buddies can do is attack Trump?

I already told you. But here it is again;

"All of them were and are by far the better choice given the options. Not one of them represents the threat trump does and, apparently, the entire Republican Party that is openly embracing and enabling fascism, antisemitism, bigotry, misogyny, racism, economic, political, and religious tyranny. A clear and present danger to the founding principles of this nation, democracy and the constitutional rights, liberty, freedom, and justice for all Americans including brain dead golems like you who have been possessed by a very real very visible very orange demon."

The guy is stupid, a disaster, traitor, deceiver, and a money grubbing low life, the epitome of the talking serpent.

I hope that helps.

 

[Cougarbear]

How many of you are there?

Your god is me??? I appreciate the confidence but God, is God and not me. Worship someone else please.

 

[Cougarbear]

If "most" understand that then most do not understand that the resurrection of the dead is not about the resumption of a former existence but entry into a new existence.

In the parable of the prodigal son, the father said, "But it was only right that we should celebrate and rejoice, because this brother of yours was dead and has come to life; he was lost and now he is found.’" Luke 15:32

There are two resurrections. The first is from the death of false beliefs. The second is from death of the body.

In both cases the subject of the resurrection is not the resumption of a former existence but entry into a new existence. Those who partake in the first resurrection cannot be harmed by the second death, death of the body.

That's all your opinion. Isaiah was clear and Jesus referred to his writings a lot. I suppose you don't believe he raised Lazeruth up from the dead? It's a real shame that you can't take the words of the Lord and his anointed as truth. Paul said why do ye baptize for the dead if the dead not rise? Your body will rise up out of the grave. Praise the Lord!

 

[Cougarbear]

I already told you. But here it is again;

"All of them were and are by far the better choice given the options. Not one of them represents the threat trump does and, apparently, the entire Republican Party that is openly embracing and enabling fascism, antisemitism, bigotry, misogyny, racism, economic, political, and religious tyranny. A clear and present danger to the founding principles of this nation, democracy and the constitutional rights, liberty, freedom, and justice for all Americans including brain dead golems like you who have been possessed by a very real very visible very orange demon."

The guy is stupid, a disaster, traitor, deceiver, and a money grubbing low life, the epitome of the talking serpent.

I hope that helps.

Well, you are wrong about all of it. We are not enabling fascism. You Democrats voted 90% for a fascist to be mayor of NYC. Republicans voted against Mamdumbo. It's the Democrats that have been out protesting against Jews and Israel. Republicans support Israel and the Jews over the Muslims. It is Republicans who complained when Biden shut down churches during Covid. That is religious tyranny. No, we are not bigots, misognyn, racists and so on. The Democrats are pathetic.

 

[hobelim]

That's all your opinion. Isaiah was clear and Jesus referred to his writings a lot. I suppose you don't believe he raised Lazeruth up from the dead?

Wrong. I believe that Lazarus was raised from the dead. He was as dead as you are now, after losing faith in Jesus and returning to a "traditional" pharisaic ritual purification practice by sitting in a windowless room, a tomb, without bathing for seven days, so after four days in this tomb in a hot desert his body stank. Go figure.

When Jesus called out to Lazarus to "come out", he came out. A miracle! Then Jesus instructed his disciples to remove his "grave bindings" which amounts to a directive for his disciples to deprogram Lazarus. Simple as that.

 

[hobelim]

Your god is me??? I appreciate the confidence but God, is God and not me. Worship someone else please.

 

[hobelim]

Well, you are wrong about all of it

Damn. So in spite of sitting in front of the boob tube being brainwashed by Fox News for years you never noticed that the entire Republican Party is openly embracing and enabling fascism, antisemitism, bigotry, misogyny, racism, economic, political, and religious tyranny?

Wow.

I am very impressed by your ability to not see what is right in front of your eyes, not hear what is being crammed down your throat, and swallowing hook line and sinker thinly veiled nazi propaganda.

Fascinating!

 

[Cougarbear]

Wrong. I believe that Lazarus was raised from the dead. He was as dead as you are now, after losing faith in Jesus and returning to a "traditional" pharisaic ritual purification practice by sitting in a windowless room, a tomb, without bathing for seven days, so after four days in this tomb in a hot desert his body stank. Go figure.

When Jesus called out to Lazarus to "come out", he came out. A miracle! Then Jesus instructed his disciples to remove his "grave bindings" which amounts to a directive for his disciples to deprogram Lazarus. Simple as that.

Keep fooling yourself. John 11:43-44, "Lazarus, come forth ! And he who had died came out bound hand and foot with graveclothes, and his face was wrapped with a cloth. Jesus said to them, Loose him, and let him go." Your interpretation is full of extra stuff written into the verses. I thought you Christians believed it is a sin to add or subtract from the Bible?

 

[Cougarbear]

Damn. So in spite of sitting in front of the boob tube being brainwashed by Fox News for years you never noticed that the entire Republican Party is openly embracing and enabling fascism, antisemitism, bigotry, misogyny, racism, economic, political, and religious tyranny?

Wow.

I am very impressed by your ability to not see what is right in front of your eyes, not hear what is being crammed down your throat, and swallowing hook line and sinker thinly veiled nazi propaganda.

Fascinating!

Says the guy who if in New York City would have voted for Mambdumbo the fascist Muslim-Communist.

 

[hobelim]

Says the guy who if in New York City would have voted for Mambdumbo the fascist Muslim-Communist.

And someone is supposed to believe that you are not a bigoted racist?

Okey dokey!

 

[hobelim]

Keep fooling yourself. John 11:43-44, "Lazarus, come forth ! And he who had died came out bound hand and foot with graveclothes, and his face was wrapped with a cloth. Jesus said to them, Loose him, and let him go." Your interpretation is full of extra stuff written into the verses. I thought you Christians believed it is a sin to add or subtract from the Bible

You have been diverted by your own unrestrained imagination into "believing" in superstitious archaic lore perpetuated by demons.

Without adding subtracting or changing a single word I revealed a hidden story based on even your translation.

Lazarus being sick, dying, and then dead, represents Lazarus slowly losing faith in Jesus, the source of life.

Bound hand and foot with graveclothes is a metaphor for the cause of death. Returning to traditional pharisaic ritual purification rights where the "sinner" sits in a windowless room, representing a tomb, without bathing for seven days after which he takes a ritual bath and can return to "life" in the community that he was outcast from, banned from the synagogue, for supporting Jesus. But you would have to know something about what was actually happening in Judea at the time, specifically the traditions of men, what Jesus called whitewashed tombs.

According to you Jesus called out, "Lazarus, come forth!" and he came out stinking to high heaven, both literally and figuratively, bound hand and foot, beguiled by bullshit.

A miracle!

A miracle not any more or less miraculous than Jimmy Carter openly proclaiming, "I have finally decided that, after 65 years, I can no longer be associated with the Southern Baptist Convention,"


You understand neither Scripture nor the power of my God.

 

[Cougarbear]

And someone is supposed to believe that you are not a bigoted racist?

Okey dokey!

Doesn't work anymore. Move on.

 

[Cougarbear]

You have been diverted by your own unrestrained imagination into "believing" in superstitious archaic lore perpetuated by demons.

Without adding subtracting or changing a single word I revealed a hidden story based on even your translation.

Lazarus being sick, dying, and then dead, represents Lazarus slowly losing faith in Jesus, the source of life.

Bound hand and foot with graveclothes is a metaphor for the cause of death. Returning to traditional pharisaic ritual purification rights where the "sinner" sits in a windowless room, representing a tomb, without bathing for seven days after which he takes a ritual bath and can return to "life" in the community that he was outcast from, banned from the synagogue, for supporting Jesus. But you would have to know something about what was actually happening in Judea at the time, specifically the traditions of men, what Jesus called whitewashed tombs.

According to you Jesus called out, "Lazarus, come forth!" and he came out stinking to high heaven, both literally and figuratively, bound hand and foot, beguiled by bullshit.

A miracle!

A miracle not any more or less miraculous than Jimmy Carter openly proclaiming, "I have finally decided that, after 65 years, I can no longer be associated with the Southern Baptist Convention,"


You understand neither Scripture nor the power of my God.

Actually, I simply read the bible. It's very clear that there will be a resurrection of our bodies and spirits. It is you who is brainwashed into thinking demonic beliefs so that Satan can have influence over you in this life. He knows he probably won't have it in the next life. And, since Satan won't be receiving a resurrected body since he has no earthly body and won't, he wants you to believe the same thing and lie to you. You have been deceived. The Holy Ghost bears this witness to me. And does so in the name of Jesus Christ.

 

[hobelim]

And, since Satan won't be receiving a resurrected body since he has no earthly body and won't, he wants you to believe the same thing and lie to you. You have been deceived. The Holy Ghost bears this witness to me. And does so in the name of Jesus Christ.

You claim to be "filled with the Holy Ghost". I agree you are full of something but it ain't holy, its shit.


Listen very carefully. Your eternal fate depends on it.

Satan is just a metaphor for a specific human archetype, a malignant narcissist who preys on the gullible and weak minded, like you, though mind control, what used to be called the magical arts or sorcery, for sadistic pleasure, and to gain wealth fame and power. If you don't believe me here is a picture of the epitome of the talking serpent right after he ate another mans soul. Satan is only invisible to the blind and the dead, like you.

Satan may never receive a resurrected body but at least it inhabits a flabby, orange, smelly earthly body for a few milliseconds in the grand scheme of things, a fool prancing around naked on the road that leads to destruction.

 

[hobelim]

Doesn't work anymore. Move on.

OK. Will do! I heard that pigs are on the wing!

But don't worry about me. I am locked in tight and out of range. Worry about yourself and your children.

 

[Cougarbear]

You claim to be "filled with the Holy Ghost". I agree you are full of something but it ain't holy, its shit.


Listen very carefully. Your eternal fate depends on it.

Satan is just a metaphor for a specific human archetype, a malignant narcissist who preys on the gullible and weak minded, like you, though mind control, what used to be called the magical arts or sorcery, for sadistic pleasure, and to gain wealth fame and power. If you don't believe me here is a picture of the epitome of the talking serpent right after he ate another mans soul. Satan is only invisible to the blind and the dead, like you.


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Satan may never receive a resurrected body but at least it inhabits a flabby, orange, smelly earthly body for a few milliseconds in the grand scheme of things, a fool prancing around naked on the road that leads to destruction.

I can understand why you don't want to believe in a literal Father in Heaven, A literal Savior in Jesus Christ, and a literal Holy Ghost. I can also understand that you don't want to believe you will be risen for a face to face judgment for your life here on earth as well. Even though the Father provided a Savior to redeem you from your fallen state. Good luck with than!

 

[hobelim]

I can understand why you don't want to believe in a literal Father in Heaven, A literal Savior in Jesus Christ, and a literal Holy Ghost.

I don't understand why you don't realize that I do. I just know that 3 persons does not equal one God. 1+1+1=3.

God has two human witnesses. Two olive trees, two candlesticks, two staves to lead the flock, two trees of life.

 

[Cougarbear]

I don't understand why you don't realize that I do. I just know that 3 persons does not equal one God. 1+1+1=3.

God has two human witnesses. Two olive trees, two candlesticks, two staves to lead the flock, two trees of life.

1 + 1 = 2. Two Gods. If it’s good for you it’s good for me.

Your challenge is to properly define the word “ONE.” See, the 3 are one God in purpose. God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Ghost. God is a title. Think of it like God the Father is the President and he has two councilors that also are called president’s too.

 

[hobelim]

1 + 1 = 2. Two Gods. If it’s good for you it’s good for me. Your challenge is to properly define the word “ONE.

One unequalled God, my God, plus 2 human witnesses still equals one God, my God, with two human witnesses.