What is it about Socialism that makes you want it here in the United States?

[GLASNOST]

History told us the world was flat. I guess Cristobal Columbo sailed off the edge. It's his own fault for not learning from history. The U.S. was the "cat's meow" and unbeatable in two world wars but Ho Chi Minh didn't take history very seriously when he beat up "the good guys" and threw them out of his country.

No, that was the result of America tiring of the war, as well as the new sick philosophy to play a kinder version of war than our enemy.

FIRST of all, if you were tired of war why did you start that one? The Vietnamese were not interested in war, you forced them into it by invading their country.
SECONDLY, what enemy are you talking about? You had no enemy there until you started shooting at them.

Communists as the enemy. Taking over other countries of their choosing to enforce communist rule against others that lived relatively free and wished to remain so, by force, when they had no means to fight it.

Communism did not make the U.S. its' enemy. Communism did not "take over" or "invade" Vietnam and Ho Chi Minh did not "enforce communist rule".

It was the U.S. that "invaded" Vietnam and tried to "take over" and "enforce Capitalist rule". You really need to read something about Vietnam and what the U.S. did there. I am amazed that you have no knowledge about it.

Well, we know you have been fed a load of bull. I suspect by communists themselves, or are you among their privileged few?

I don't know who you think "we" are but you seriously need to read something more than MSM to learn about Vietnam. What I told you is true and if you do not understand that then you are very far behind.

 

[progressive hunter]

No, that was the result of America tiring of the war, as well as the new sick philosophy to play a kinder version of war than our enemy.

FIRST of all, if you were tired of war why did you start that one? The Vietnamese were not interested in war, you forced them into it by invading their country.
SECONDLY, what enemy are you talking about? You had no enemy there until you started shooting at them.

Communists as the enemy. Taking over other countries of their choosing to enforce communist rule against others that lived relatively free and wished to remain so, by force, when they had no means to fight it.

Communism did not make the U.S. its' enemy. Communism did not "take over" or "invade" Vietnam and Ho Chi Minh did not "enforce communist rule".

It was the U.S. that "invaded" Vietnam and tried to "take over" and "enforce Capitalist rule". You really need to read something about Vietnam and what the U.S. did there. I am amazed that you have no knowledge about it.

Well, we know you have been fed a load of bull. I suspect by communists themselves, or are you among their privileged few?

I don't know who you think "we" are but you seriously need to read something more than MSM to learn about Vietnam. What I told you is true and if you do not understand that then you are very far behind.

I thought you said history doesnt matter???

 

[GLASNOST]

FIRST of all, if you were tired of war why did you start that one? The Vietnamese were not interested in war, you forced them into it by invading their country.
SECONDLY, what enemy are you talking about? You had no enemy there until you started shooting at them.

Communists as the enemy. Taking over other countries of their choosing to enforce communist rule against others that lived relatively free and wished to remain so, by force, when they had no means to fight it.

Communism did not make the U.S. its' enemy. Communism did not "take over" or "invade" Vietnam and Ho Chi Minh did not "enforce communist rule".

It was the U.S. that "invaded" Vietnam and tried to "take over" and "enforce Capitalist rule". You really need to read something about Vietnam and what the U.S. did there. I am amazed that you have no knowledge about it.

thats not all together true,,,

vietnam was a drug war plain and simple and should have never happened,,,,neither capitalism or communism was the goal,,,

Well, you can debate that with me if you like but I don't think you will win because it was all a money-laundering scheme to keep the circle of TAX FOR WAR - ARMS MANUFACTURING - POLITICAL FAVOURS .... better known as the MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX. But the important thing is that the U.S. "invaded" Vietnam and tried to "enforce Capitalist rule" in order to hold the scheme together. This applies even if you believe it was fundamentally a clandestine drug war.

well it is history and irrelevant according to you, so why would you debate it???

Why would "I" debate it? I'm just trying to be nice and neighbourly. It's up to you. If you don't want to know, you don't have to know.

 

[GLASNOST]

FIRST of all, if you were tired of war why did you start that one? The Vietnamese were not interested in war, you forced them into it by invading their country.
SECONDLY, what enemy are you talking about? You had no enemy there until you started shooting at them.

Communists as the enemy. Taking over other countries of their choosing to enforce communist rule against others that lived relatively free and wished to remain so, by force, when they had no means to fight it.

Communism did not make the U.S. its' enemy. Communism did not "take over" or "invade" Vietnam and Ho Chi Minh did not "enforce communist rule".

It was the U.S. that "invaded" Vietnam and tried to "take over" and "enforce Capitalist rule". You really need to read something about Vietnam and what the U.S. did there. I am amazed that you have no knowledge about it.

Well, we know you have been fed a load of bull. I suspect by communists themselves, or are you among their privileged few?

I don't know who you think "we" are but you seriously need to read something more than MSM to learn about Vietnam. What I told you is true and if you do not understand that then you are very far behind.

I thought you said history doesnt matter???

With regards to what?

 

[progressive hunter]

Communists as the enemy. Taking over other countries of their choosing to enforce communist rule against others that lived relatively free and wished to remain so, by force, when they had no means to fight it.

Communism did not make the U.S. its' enemy. Communism did not "take over" or "invade" Vietnam and Ho Chi Minh did not "enforce communist rule".

It was the U.S. that "invaded" Vietnam and tried to "take over" and "enforce Capitalist rule". You really need to read something about Vietnam and what the U.S. did there. I am amazed that you have no knowledge about it.

Well, we know you have been fed a load of bull. I suspect by communists themselves, or are you among their privileged few?

I don't know who you think "we" are but you seriously need to read something more than MSM to learn about Vietnam. What I told you is true and if you do not understand that then you are very far behind.

I thought you said history doesnt matter???

With regards to what?

when I said those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it,,,and you said that didnt make sense,,,
now you want us to remember history so we dont repeat it,,,

WTF???

 

[GLASNOST]

Communism did not make the U.S. its' enemy. Communism did not "take over" or "invade" Vietnam and Ho Chi Minh did not "enforce communist rule".

It was the U.S. that "invaded" Vietnam and tried to "take over" and "enforce Capitalist rule". You really need to read something about Vietnam and what the U.S. did there. I am amazed that you have no knowledge about it.

Well, we know you have been fed a load of bull. I suspect by communists themselves, or are you among their privileged few?

I don't know who you think "we" are but you seriously need to read something more than MSM to learn about Vietnam. What I told you is true and if you do not understand that then you are very far behind.

I thought you said history doesnt matter???

With regards to what?

when I said those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it,,,and you said that didnt make sense,,,
now you want us to remember history so we dont repeat it,,,

WTF???

Let me make this perfectly clear.

* Did John Adams say that? Yes. It is part of history? Yes. Is it interesting to know what he said? Maybe yes, maybe no. It's up to you. Does what he said have any bearing or does it lend any credibility to today's situation? No. So history is only interesting/important to those who think it is and whether or not it is still relevant today is another matter entirely.

* Vietnam. We were discussing facts of the history of the Vietnam War. If you ask or make a statement about Vietnam I assume you are interested. I happen to have a great deal of knowledge on the Vietnam War but if you don't want to know that's your business.

Oh, and I never said I "want us to remember history so we dont repeat it". That is a lie.

 

[depotoo]

Well, we know you have been fed a load of bull. I suspect by communists themselves, or are you among their privileged few?

I don't know who you think "we" are but you seriously need to read something more than MSM to learn about Vietnam. What I told you is true and if you do not understand that then you are very far behind.

I thought you said history doesnt matter???

With regards to what?

when I said those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it,,,and you said that didnt make sense,,,
now you want us to remember history so we dont repeat it,,,

WTF???

Let me make this perfectly clear.

* Did John Adams say that? Yes. It is part of history? Yes. Is it interesting to know what he said? Maybe yes, maybe no. It's up to you. Does what he said have any bearing or does it lend any credibility to today's situation? No. So history is only interesting/important to those who think it is and whether or not it is still relevant today is another matter entirely.

* Vietnam. We were discussing facts of the history of the Vietnam War. If you ask or make a statement about Vietnam I assume you are interested. I happen to have a great deal of knowledge on the Vietnam War but if you don't want to know that's your business.

That is simply naive, at its best.

 

[beagle9]

Might want to take heed-

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John Adams was the second president of the U.S. a long, long time ago and he was politicin' as Davy Crokett used to say. What he thought and what he said is completely irrelevant. It's like reading what Adolf Hitler had to say about the multi-party system and using it as a guide to political philosphy today.

Only to those that don’t learn from history or have an agenda...

History told us the world was flat. I guess Cristobal Columbo sailed off the edge. It's his own fault for not learning from history. The U.S. was the "cat's meow" and unbeatable in two world wars but Ho Chi Minh didn't take history very seriously when he beat up "the good guys" and threw them out of his country.

No, that was the result of America tiring of the war, as well as the new sick philosophy to play a kinder version of war than our enemy.

FIRST of all, if you were tired of war why did you start that one? The Vietnamese were not interested in war, you forced them into it by invading their country.
SECONDLY, what enemy are you talking about? You had no enemy there until you started shooting at them.

The Vietnamese ?? Would that be the South or the North to you ???

You see, in the world there is this little thing called freedom, and every now and again people think maybe that they would want to try a little bit of it. Then here we are freedom lovers whom want to support other freedom lovers in the world. But man does it hurt when we decide to do that thing.

 

[progressive hunter]

Well, we know you have been fed a load of bull. I suspect by communists themselves, or are you among their privileged few?

I don't know who you think "we" are but you seriously need to read something more than MSM to learn about Vietnam. What I told you is true and if you do not understand that then you are very far behind.

I thought you said history doesnt matter???

With regards to what?

when I said those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it,,,and you said that didnt make sense,,,
now you want us to remember history so we dont repeat it,,,

WTF???

Let me make this perfectly clear.

* Did John Adams say that? Yes. It is part of history? Yes. Is it interesting to know what he said? Maybe yes, maybe no. It's up to you. Does what he said have any bearing or does it lend any credibility to today's situation? No. So history is only interesting/important to those who think it is and whether or not it is still relevant today is another matter entirely.

* Vietnam. We were discussing facts of the history of the Vietnam War. If you ask or make a statement about Vietnam I assume you are interested. I happen to have a great deal of knowledge on the Vietnam War but if you don't want to know that's your business.

Oh, and I never said I "want us to remember history so we dont repeat it". That is a lie.

so only history you think is important should be remembered,??

sorry all of history both good and bad is important whether you think so or not,,,

 

[depotoo]

I don't know who you think "we" are but you seriously need to read something more than MSM to learn about Vietnam. What I told you is true and if you do not understand that then you are very far behind.

I thought you said history doesnt matter???

With regards to what?

when I said those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it,,,and you said that didnt make sense,,,
now you want us to remember history so we dont repeat it,,,

WTF???

Let me make this perfectly clear.

* Did John Adams say that? Yes. It is part of history? Yes. Is it interesting to know what he said? Maybe yes, maybe no. It's up to you. Does what he said have any bearing or does it lend any credibility to today's situation? No. So history is only interesting/important to those who think it is and whether or not it is still relevant today is another matter entirely.

* Vietnam. We were discussing facts of the history of the Vietnam War. If you ask or make a statement about Vietnam I assume you are interested. I happen to have a great deal of knowledge on the Vietnam War but if you don't want to know that's your business.

Oh, and I never said I "want us to remember history so we dont repeat it". That is a lie.

so only history you think is important should be remembered,??

sorry all of history both good and bad is important whether you think so or not,,,

His handle is a hint...

 

[GLASNOST]

John Adams was the second president of the U.S. a long, long time ago and he was politicin' as Davy Crokett used to say. What he thought and what he said is completely irrelevant. It's like reading what Adolf Hitler had to say about the multi-party system and using it as a guide to political philosphy today.

Only to those that don’t learn from history or have an agenda...

History told us the world was flat. I guess Cristobal Columbo sailed off the edge. It's his own fault for not learning from history. The U.S. was the "cat's meow" and unbeatable in two world wars but Ho Chi Minh didn't take history very seriously when he beat up "the good guys" and threw them out of his country.

No, that was the result of America tiring of the war, as well as the new sick philosophy to play a kinder version of war than our enemy.

FIRST of all, if you were tired of war why did you start that one? The Vietnamese were not interested in war, you forced them into it by invading their country.
SECONDLY, what enemy are you talking about? You had no enemy there until you started shooting at them.

The Vietnamese ?? Would that be the South or the North to you ???

You see, in the world there is this little thing called freedom, and every now and again people think maybe that they would want to try a little bit of it. Then here we are freedom lovers whom want to support other freedom lovers in the world. But man does it hurt when we decide to do that thing.

Freedom is often nurtured and protected by Democratic principles. Vietnam was gearing up for its Democratic, national elections and the U.S. was told by the U.N. not to remain in the country beyond that point. Instead, the U.S. scuttled the elections, remained in Vietnam and then started a war instead.

The "FREEDOM" you talk about was thrown out the window by the Americans. More than one of you need to be lessoned on the events of that period if you are ever going to understand what took place in Vietnam.

 

[Likkmee]

Ask any former military. He'll beat you with a flag

 

[GLASNOST]

I don't know who you think "we" are but you seriously need to read something more than MSM to learn about Vietnam. What I told you is true and if you do not understand that then you are very far behind.

I thought you said history doesnt matter???

With regards to what?

when I said those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it,,,and you said that didnt make sense,,,
now you want us to remember history so we dont repeat it,,,

WTF???

Let me make this perfectly clear.

* Did John Adams say that? Yes. It is part of history? Yes. Is it interesting to know what he said? Maybe yes, maybe no. It's up to you. Does what he said have any bearing or does it lend any credibility to today's situation? No. So history is only interesting/important to those who think it is and whether or not it is still relevant today is another matter entirely.

* Vietnam. We were discussing facts of the history of the Vietnam War. If you ask or make a statement about Vietnam I assume you are interested. I happen to have a great deal of knowledge on the Vietnam War but if you don't want to know that's your business.

Oh, and I never said I "want us to remember history so we dont repeat it". That is a lie.

so only history you think is important should be remembered,??

sorry all of history both good and bad is important whether you think so or not,,,

Have you ever seen the word "absurd"? Do you know what it means? An example would be to claim someone said something they never said or making false conclusions on what you mistakenly think he meant. That is exactly what you are doing in your above reply. Of course, if you are intentionally making false statements about what I said that is called something else. "Lying" maybe?

 

[beagle9]

Only to those that don’t learn from history or have an agenda...

History told us the world was flat. I guess Cristobal Columbo sailed off the edge. It's his own fault for not learning from history. The U.S. was the "cat's meow" and unbeatable in two world wars but Ho Chi Minh didn't take history very seriously when he beat up "the good guys" and threw them out of his country.

No, that was the result of America tiring of the war, as well as the new sick philosophy to play a kinder version of war than our enemy.

FIRST of all, if you were tired of war why did you start that one? The Vietnamese were not interested in war, you forced them into it by invading their country.
SECONDLY, what enemy are you talking about? You had no enemy there until you started shooting at them.

The Vietnamese ?? Would that be the South or the North to you ???

You see, in the world there is this little thing called freedom, and every now and again people think maybe that they would want to try a little bit of it. Then here we are freedom lovers whom want to support other freedom lovers in the world. But man does it hurt when we decide to do that thing.

Freedom is often nurtured and protected by Democratic principles. Vietnam was gearing up for its Democratic, national elections and the U.S. was told by the U.N. not to remain in the country beyond that point. Instead, the U.S. scuttled the elections, remained in Vietnam and then started a war instead.

The "FREEDOM" you talk about was thrown out the window by the Americans. More than one of you need to be lessoned on the events of that period if you are ever going to understand what took place in Vietnam.

Your version or the American version ??? Which are you subscribing too ?? Me being American, I subscribe to the American version instead of the anti-American version of the truth.

 

[GLASNOST]

Ask any former military. He'll beat you with a flag

I am former military.

 

[depotoo]

Ask any former military. He'll beat you with a flag

I am former military.

Russian or Chinese?

 

[GLASNOST]

Most of the posters don't even know the basic definition of Socialism.

But that doesn't stop them from babbling on about it year after year.

Read more -- type less.

"Most of the posters".

Yes, that's true. From both ends. Both pro and con.

 

[GLASNOST]

Ask any former military. He'll beat you with a flag

I am former military.

Russian or Chinese?

United States Army. (RA) 1965 - 1968. Central Highlands, Vietnam 1966-67. What about you - Cub scouts?

 

[progressive hunter]

I thought you said history doesnt matter???

With regards to what?

when I said those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it,,,and you said that didnt make sense,,,
now you want us to remember history so we dont repeat it,,,

WTF???

Let me make this perfectly clear.

* Did John Adams say that? Yes. It is part of history? Yes. Is it interesting to know what he said? Maybe yes, maybe no. It's up to you. Does what he said have any bearing or does it lend any credibility to today's situation? No. So history is only interesting/important to those who think it is and whether or not it is still relevant today is another matter entirely.

* Vietnam. We were discussing facts of the history of the Vietnam War. If you ask or make a statement about Vietnam I assume you are interested. I happen to have a great deal of knowledge on the Vietnam War but if you don't want to know that's your business.

Oh, and I never said I "want us to remember history so we dont repeat it". That is a lie.

so only history you think is important should be remembered,??

sorry all of history both good and bad is important whether you think so or not,,,

Have you ever seen the word "absurd"? Do you know what it means? An example would be to claim someone said something they never said or making false conclusions on what you mistakenly think he meant. That is exactly what you are doing in your above reply. Of course, if you are intentionally making false statements about what I said that is called something else. "Lying" maybe?

I asked a question and is why there were ??? after my statement,,,,

you ever heard the term dumber than a box of rocks???

 

[GLASNOST]

With regards to what?

when I said those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it,,,and you said that didnt make sense,,,
now you want us to remember history so we dont repeat it,,,

WTF???

Let me make this perfectly clear.

* Did John Adams say that? Yes. It is part of history? Yes. Is it interesting to know what he said? Maybe yes, maybe no. It's up to you. Does what he said have any bearing or does it lend any credibility to today's situation? No. So history is only interesting/important to those who think it is and whether or not it is still relevant today is another matter entirely.

* Vietnam. We were discussing facts of the history of the Vietnam War. If you ask or make a statement about Vietnam I assume you are interested. I happen to have a great deal of knowledge on the Vietnam War but if you don't want to know that's your business.

Oh, and I never said I "want us to remember history so we dont repeat it". That is a lie.

so only history you think is important should be remembered,??

sorry all of history both good and bad is important whether you think so or not,,,

Have you ever seen the word "absurd"? Do you know what it means? An example would be to claim someone said something they never said or making false conclusions on what you mistakenly think he meant. That is exactly what you are doing in your above reply. Of course, if you are intentionally making false statements about what I said that is called something else. "Lying" maybe?

... you ever heard the term dumber than a box of rocks???

I am looking at one right now.