What is it about Socialism that makes you want it here in the United States?

[anotherlife]

My hands are too precious to waste them working for the billionaires as no results can be achieved.

Do you idiots have any idea who many super wealthy people, started out working for the super wealthy?

Henry Ford, was working for a pittance as a mechanic, working for the super wealthy of his day.

The CEO of walmart started out a hourly wage worker, at a warehouse moving skids of product around.

When you say "My hands are too precious to waste them working for the billionaires" that is exactly why you never did, and never will, become a millionaire.

I remember reading about the CEO who started off running the machines in the factory, and he slept in his car in the parking lot.

I worked for a company, where the CEO owner, had worked for the previous owner of that company for 15 years. When the owner said he was going to close the business, he pulled out a mortgage on his home, and a loan from his extended family, bought the business, built it up, and repaid all the people he owed money too, by working 65 hours a week at the company he owned.

But that was 15 years of working for wealthy people, before he ended up being the wealthy person.

You show me someone who says "I'll never work for a billionaire" and I'll show you someone who will never be a billionaire.

This level of idiocy is like greed on steroids. Anyways, socialism would never allow this.

Why do people like you think Stalinism is the definition of Socialism ... past - present - and future? It never even occurs to you that Socialism has evolved just like any other ..... with the exception of North Korea, of course. Do you still feed on the teat or have you learned to eat solid food? Just asking as you don't seem to understand how things progress.

Yes Stalinism has evolved. Now it can kill people with drones are computers. Thanks God that Stalin didn't have this technology, or the human race would be extinct by now.

 

[dblack]

Why do people like you think Stalinism is the definition of Socialism ... past - present - and future? It never even occurs to you that Socialism has evolved just like any other ..... with the exception of North Korea, of course. Do you still feed on the teat or have you learned to eat solid food? Just asking as you don't seem to understand how things progress.

I don't think Stalinism is the definition of Socialism. Next.

 

[GLASNOST]

My hands are too precious to waste them working for the billionaires as no results can be achieved.

Do you idiots have any idea who many super wealthy people, started out working for the super wealthy?

Henry Ford, was working for a pittance as a mechanic, working for the super wealthy of his day.

The CEO of walmart started out a hourly wage worker, at a warehouse moving skids of product around.

When you say "My hands are too precious to waste them working for the billionaires" that is exactly why you never did, and never will, become a millionaire.

I remember reading about the CEO who started off running the machines in the factory, and he slept in his car in the parking lot.

I worked for a company, where the CEO owner, had worked for the previous owner of that company for 15 years. When the owner said he was going to close the business, he pulled out a mortgage on his home, and a loan from his extended family, bought the business, built it up, and repaid all the people he owed money too, by working 65 hours a week at the company he owned.

But that was 15 years of working for wealthy people, before he ended up being the wealthy person.

You show me someone who says "I'll never work for a billionaire" and I'll show you someone who will never be a billionaire.

This level of idiocy is like greed on steroids. Anyways, socialism would never allow this.

Why do people like you think Stalinism is the definition of Socialism ... past - present - and future? It never even occurs to you that Socialism has evolved just like any other ..... with the exception of North Korea, of course. Do you still feed on the teat or have you learned to eat solid food? Just asking as you don't seem to understand how things progress.

Yes Stalinism has evolved. Now it can kill people with drones are computers. Thanks God that Stalin didn't have this technology, or the human race would be extinct by now.

This is extreme nonsense.

 

[anotherlife]

My hands are too precious to waste them working for the billionaires as no results can be achieved.

Do you idiots have any idea who many super wealthy people, started out working for the super wealthy?

Henry Ford, was working for a pittance as a mechanic, working for the super wealthy of his day.

The CEO of walmart started out a hourly wage worker, at a warehouse moving skids of product around.

When you say "My hands are too precious to waste them working for the billionaires" that is exactly why you never did, and never will, become a millionaire.

I remember reading about the CEO who started off running the machines in the factory, and he slept in his car in the parking lot.

I worked for a company, where the CEO owner, had worked for the previous owner of that company for 15 years. When the owner said he was going to close the business, he pulled out a mortgage on his home, and a loan from his extended family, bought the business, built it up, and repaid all the people he owed money too, by working 65 hours a week at the company he owned.

But that was 15 years of working for wealthy people, before he ended up being the wealthy person.

You show me someone who says "I'll never work for a billionaire" and I'll show you someone who will never be a billionaire.

This level of idiocy is like greed on steroids. Anyways, socialism would never allow this.

Why do people like you think Stalinism is the definition of Socialism ... past - present - and future? It never even occurs to you that Socialism has evolved just like any other ..... with the exception of North Korea, of course. Do you still feed on the teat or have you learned to eat solid food? Just asking as you don't seem to understand how things progress.

Yes Stalinism has evolved. Now it can kill people with drones are computers. Thanks God that Stalin didn't have this technology, or the human race would be extinct by now.

This is extreme nonsense.

Nonsense? Are you from Europe? Even Africans laugh at you how you have given up your whole life and all control over it, to some all-knowing, all-verifying, all-enforcing national computer system.

 

[GLASNOST]

Do you idiots have any idea who many super wealthy people, started out working for the super wealthy?

Henry Ford, was working for a pittance as a mechanic, working for the super wealthy of his day.

The CEO of walmart started out a hourly wage worker, at a warehouse moving skids of product around.

When you say "My hands are too precious to waste them working for the billionaires" that is exactly why you never did, and never will, become a millionaire.

I remember reading about the CEO who started off running the machines in the factory, and he slept in his car in the parking lot.

I worked for a company, where the CEO owner, had worked for the previous owner of that company for 15 years. When the owner said he was going to close the business, he pulled out a mortgage on his home, and a loan from his extended family, bought the business, built it up, and repaid all the people he owed money too, by working 65 hours a week at the company he owned.

But that was 15 years of working for wealthy people, before he ended up being the wealthy person.

You show me someone who says "I'll never work for a billionaire" and I'll show you someone who will never be a billionaire.

This level of idiocy is like greed on steroids. Anyways, socialism would never allow this.

Why do people like you think Stalinism is the definition of Socialism ... past - present - and future? It never even occurs to you that Socialism has evolved just like any other ..... with the exception of North Korea, of course. Do you still feed on the teat or have you learned to eat solid food? Just asking as you don't seem to understand how things progress.

Yes Stalinism has evolved. Now it can kill people with drones are computers. Thanks God that Stalin didn't have this technology, or the human race would be extinct by now.

This is extreme nonsense.

Nonsense? Are you from Europe? Even Africans laugh at you how you have given up your whole life and all control over it, to some all-knowing, all-verifying, all-enforcing national computer system.

Was that passed on to you from some old hag with rings on her toes in a tent at the carnival or did some scraggly geezer give it to you straight from a black cat that crossed his path?

 

[dblack]

Why do people like you think Stalinism is the definition of Socialism ... past - present - and future? It never even occurs to you that Socialism has evolved just like any other ..... with the exception of North Korea, of course. Do you still feed on the teat or have you learned to eat solid food? Just asking as you don't seem to understand how things progress.

I don't think Stalinism is the definition of Socialism. Next.

Socialism is government control of capital. Period. The rest is just details. When we say we don't want more socialism, we're saying we don't want to expand government control of capital. It has nothing to do with views on Stalinism, or Venezuela, or Sweden.

 

[Andylusion]

My hands are too precious to waste them working for the billionaires as no results can be achieved.

Do you idiots have any idea who many super wealthy people, started out working for the super wealthy?

Henry Ford, was working for a pittance as a mechanic, working for the super wealthy of his day.

The CEO of walmart started out a hourly wage worker, at a warehouse moving skids of product around.

When you say "My hands are too precious to waste them working for the billionaires" that is exactly why you never did, and never will, become a millionaire.

I remember reading about the CEO who started off running the machines in the factory, and he slept in his car in the parking lot.

I worked for a company, where the CEO owner, had worked for the previous owner of that company for 15 years. When the owner said he was going to close the business, he pulled out a mortgage on his home, and a loan from his extended family, bought the business, built it up, and repaid all the people he owed money too, by working 65 hours a week at the company he owned.

But that was 15 years of working for wealthy people, before he ended up being the wealthy person.

You show me someone who says "I'll never work for a billionaire" and I'll show you someone who will never be a billionaire.

This level of idiocy is like greed on steroids. Anyways, socialism would never allow this.

I agree with you. Socialism would not allow people to work for billionaires. It does allow them to starve to death.

Nothing to eat, but at least no one is working for a wealthy person.

In fact, under socialism, you might not have to work at all.

Starving protester shot by Maduro's military.

 

[Bleipriester]

My hands are too precious to waste them working for the billionaires as no results can be achieved.

Do you idiots have any idea who many super wealthy people, started out working for the super wealthy?

Henry Ford, was working for a pittance as a mechanic, working for the super wealthy of his day.

The CEO of walmart started out a hourly wage worker, at a warehouse moving skids of product around.

When you say "My hands are too precious to waste them working for the billionaires" that is exactly why you never did, and never will, become a millionaire.

I remember reading about the CEO who started off running the machines in the factory, and he slept in his car in the parking lot.

I worked for a company, where the CEO owner, had worked for the previous owner of that company for 15 years. When the owner said he was going to close the business, he pulled out a mortgage on his home, and a loan from his extended family, bought the business, built it up, and repaid all the people he owed money too, by working 65 hours a week at the company he owned.

But that was 15 years of working for wealthy people, before he ended up being the wealthy person.

You show me someone who says "I'll never work for a billionaire" and I'll show you someone who will never be a billionaire.

This level of idiocy is like greed on steroids. Anyways, socialism would never allow this.

I agree with you. Socialism would not allow people to work for billionaires. It does allow them to starve to death.

Nothing to eat, but at least no one is working for a wealthy person.

In fact, under socialism, you might not have to work at all.

Starving protester shot by Maduro's military.

"A human being is set on fire at a 'peaceful demonstration' by the opposition in Caracas,"
Venezuelan man set alight during protests

"I spend 8 hours on USMB each day to tell you how bad socialism is. In socialism I would not have all that bags and this laptop!"

"The first thing I think of when I wake up is how bad socialism is."

 

[Andylusion]

My hands are too precious to waste them working for the billionaires as no results can be achieved.

Do you idiots have any idea who many super wealthy people, started out working for the super wealthy?

Henry Ford, was working for a pittance as a mechanic, working for the super wealthy of his day.

The CEO of walmart started out a hourly wage worker, at a warehouse moving skids of product around.

When you say "My hands are too precious to waste them working for the billionaires" that is exactly why you never did, and never will, become a millionaire.

I remember reading about the CEO who started off running the machines in the factory, and he slept in his car in the parking lot.

I worked for a company, where the CEO owner, had worked for the previous owner of that company for 15 years. When the owner said he was going to close the business, he pulled out a mortgage on his home, and a loan from his extended family, bought the business, built it up, and repaid all the people he owed money too, by working 65 hours a week at the company he owned.

But that was 15 years of working for wealthy people, before he ended up being the wealthy person.

You show me someone who says "I'll never work for a billionaire" and I'll show you someone who will never be a billionaire.

This level of idiocy is like greed on steroids. Anyways, socialism would never allow this.

I agree with you. Socialism would not allow people to work for billionaires. It does allow them to starve to death.

Nothing to eat, but at least no one is working for a wealthy person.

In fact, under socialism, you might not have to work at all.

Starving protester shot by Maduro's military.

"A human being is set on fire at a 'peaceful demonstration' by the opposition in Caracas,"
Venezuelan man set alight during protests

"I spend 8 hours on USMB each day to tell you how bad socialism is. In socialism I would not have all that bags and this laptop!"

"The first thing I think of when I wake up is how bad socialism is."

I'm confused about what your point here was.

 

[Bleipriester]

My hands are too precious to waste them working for the billionaires as no results can be achieved.

Do you idiots have any idea who many super wealthy people, started out working for the super wealthy?

Henry Ford, was working for a pittance as a mechanic, working for the super wealthy of his day.

The CEO of walmart started out a hourly wage worker, at a warehouse moving skids of product around.

When you say "My hands are too precious to waste them working for the billionaires" that is exactly why you never did, and never will, become a millionaire.

I remember reading about the CEO who started off running the machines in the factory, and he slept in his car in the parking lot.

I worked for a company, where the CEO owner, had worked for the previous owner of that company for 15 years. When the owner said he was going to close the business, he pulled out a mortgage on his home, and a loan from his extended family, bought the business, built it up, and repaid all the people he owed money too, by working 65 hours a week at the company he owned.

But that was 15 years of working for wealthy people, before he ended up being the wealthy person.

You show me someone who says "I'll never work for a billionaire" and I'll show you someone who will never be a billionaire.

This level of idiocy is like greed on steroids. Anyways, socialism would never allow this.

I agree with you. Socialism would not allow people to work for billionaires. It does allow them to starve to death.

Nothing to eat, but at least no one is working for a wealthy person.

In fact, under socialism, you might not have to work at all.

Starving protester shot by Maduro's military.

"A human being is set on fire at a 'peaceful demonstration' by the opposition in Caracas,"
Venezuelan man set alight during protests

"I spend 8 hours on USMB each day to tell you how bad socialism is. In socialism I would not have all that bags and this laptop!"

"The first thing I think of when I wake up is how bad socialism is."

I'm confused about what your point here was.

If your gov would take care of your country´s problems instead of creating problems in other countries, everything would be fine.

People are dying: Insulin being rationed as drug prices rise

 

[Andylusion]

Do you idiots have any idea who many super wealthy people, started out working for the super wealthy?

Henry Ford, was working for a pittance as a mechanic, working for the super wealthy of his day.

The CEO of walmart started out a hourly wage worker, at a warehouse moving skids of product around.

When you say "My hands are too precious to waste them working for the billionaires" that is exactly why you never did, and never will, become a millionaire.

I remember reading about the CEO who started off running the machines in the factory, and he slept in his car in the parking lot.

I worked for a company, where the CEO owner, had worked for the previous owner of that company for 15 years. When the owner said he was going to close the business, he pulled out a mortgage on his home, and a loan from his extended family, bought the business, built it up, and repaid all the people he owed money too, by working 65 hours a week at the company he owned.

But that was 15 years of working for wealthy people, before he ended up being the wealthy person.

You show me someone who says "I'll never work for a billionaire" and I'll show you someone who will never be a billionaire.

This level of idiocy is like greed on steroids. Anyways, socialism would never allow this.

I agree with you. Socialism would not allow people to work for billionaires. It does allow them to starve to death.

Nothing to eat, but at least no one is working for a wealthy person.

In fact, under socialism, you might not have to work at all.

Starving protester shot by Maduro's military.

"A human being is set on fire at a 'peaceful demonstration' by the opposition in Caracas,"
Venezuelan man set alight during protests

"I spend 8 hours on USMB each day to tell you how bad socialism is. In socialism I would not have all that bags and this laptop!"

"The first thing I think of when I wake up is how bad socialism is."

I'm confused about what your point here was.

If your gov would take care of your country´s problems instead of creating problems in other countries, everything would be fine.

People are dying: Insulin being rationed as drug prices rise

Ah ok. Now I can respond to your post.



Yes, people wait for socialism. Whether that socialism is in New York, or in Venezuela, socialism sucks. It never works. You want to know how many times I have had to wait in a long line for Capitalist food? Never. It's never happened. I go to the store, and there are 15 isles with more food than I could possibly eat before it rots.



Are you suggesting that violent kids, should be allowed to abuse the public? When I was a teenager, if I attacked a police officer, I would expect to get beaten, and rightly so. And by the way, if I did that, after getting beaten and returned to my parents, my father would give me a beating too.

That's what it means to live in a civilized society. You punish those that are acting uncivilized. That's how you get people to act civilized in society.

Maybe if more police were stopping criminal youths in Venezuela, they wouldn't be the 2nd highest murder rate in the world.
The Most Dangerous Cities in the World

"I spend 8 hours on USMB each day to tell you how bad socialism is. In socialism I would not have all that bags and this laptop!"
​

The irony of that statement, is that it is true. Even the worst off people in our country, live better than most of the people in Venezuela.

"The first thing I think of when I wake up is how bad socialism is."
​

While I highly doubt anyone wakes up thinking how bad socialism is, it is still true that they would all be far worse off under socialism.

 

[Bleipriester]

Yes, people wait for socialism. Whether that socialism is in New York, or in Venezuela, socialism sucks. It never works. You want to know how many times I have had to wait in a long line for Capitalist food? Never. It's never happened. I go to the store, and there are 15 isles with more food than I could possibly eat before it rots.

Not all have enough money to buy capitalist food. Venezuela is a good example for this. The Supermarket Chains:

Government:
Abasto Bicentenario
Mercal (Charity Supermarket)

Private:
Automercados Plaza's
Central Madeirense
Líder
Makro
Mikro
San Diego
De Candido
Unicasa
Excelsior Gama

Do you see that the term Socialism doesn´t apply? Venezuela doesn´t run a Cuba or North Korea style Socialism.

Are you suggesting that violent kids, should be allowed to abuse the public? When I was a teenager, if I attacked a police officer, I would expect to get beaten, and rightly so. And by the way, if I did that, after getting beaten and returned to my parents, my father would give me a beating too.

There is simply nothing that hints to what you claim. Maybe one of the Kids stole a chewing gum or something.

Maybe if more police were stopping criminal youths in Venezuela, they wouldn't be the 2nd highest murder rate in the world.
The Most Dangerous Cities in the World

A big problem indeed. But that´s not socialism, unless Detroit and co are Socialist. It is about people outa control, an American phenomena that doesn´t exist to this extent in most other parts of the world.

​

The irony of that statement, is that it is true. Even the worst off people in our country, live better than most of the people in Venezuela.

​

While I highly doubt anyone wakes up thinking how bad socialism is, it is still true that they would all be far worse off under socialism.

See here:
Venezuela marks 2,7 millionth flat built in gov´s social housing program
About food delivery in Venezuela

 

[Tehon]

Why do people like you think Stalinism is the definition of Socialism ... past - present - and future? It never even occurs to you that Socialism has evolved just like any other ..... with the exception of North Korea, of course. Do you still feed on the teat or have you learned to eat solid food? Just asking as you don't seem to understand how things progress.

I don't think Stalinism is the definition of Socialism. Next.

Socialism is government control of capital. Period. The rest is just details. When we say we don't want more socialism, we're saying we don't want to expand government control of capital. It has nothing to do with views on Stalinism, or Venezuela, or Sweden.

Market socialism is a socialist model that is not defined by government control of capital.

 

[dblack]

Why do people like you think Stalinism is the definition of Socialism ... past - present - and future? It never even occurs to you that Socialism has evolved just like any other ..... with the exception of North Korea, of course. Do you still feed on the teat or have you learned to eat solid food? Just asking as you don't seem to understand how things progress.

I don't think Stalinism is the definition of Socialism. Next.

Socialism is government control of capital. Period. The rest is just details. When we say we don't want more socialism, we're saying we don't want to expand government control of capital. It has nothing to do with views on Stalinism, or Venezuela, or Sweden.

Market socialism is a socialist model that is not defined by government control of capital.

Bullshit. You're going to quibble about 'control' vs 'regulate', but it's the same thing.

 

[Tehon]

Why do people like you think Stalinism is the definition of Socialism ... past - present - and future? It never even occurs to you that Socialism has evolved just like any other ..... with the exception of North Korea, of course. Do you still feed on the teat or have you learned to eat solid food? Just asking as you don't seem to understand how things progress.

I don't think Stalinism is the definition of Socialism. Next.

Socialism is government control of capital. Period. The rest is just details. When we say we don't want more socialism, we're saying we don't want to expand government control of capital. It has nothing to do with views on Stalinism, or Venezuela, or Sweden.

Market socialism is a socialist model that is not defined by government control of capital.

Bullshit. You're going to quibble about 'control' vs 'regulate', but it's the same thing.

Did you even bother to look up what it is?

 

[Andylusion]

Yes, people wait for socialism. Whether that socialism is in New York, or in Venezuela, socialism sucks. It never works. You want to know how many times I have had to wait in a long line for Capitalist food? Never. It's never happened. I go to the store, and there are 15 isles with more food than I could possibly eat before it rots.

Not all have enough money to buy capitalist food. Venezuela is a good example for this. The Supermarket Chains:

Government:
Abasto Bicentenario
Mercal (Charity Supermarket)

Private:
Automercados Plaza's
Central Madeirense
Líder
Makro
Mikro
San Diego
De Candido
Unicasa
Excelsior Gama

Do you see that the term Socialism doesn´t apply? Venezuela doesn´t run a Cuba or North Korea style Socialism.

Are you suggesting that violent kids, should be allowed to abuse the public? When I was a teenager, if I attacked a police officer, I would expect to get beaten, and rightly so. And by the way, if I did that, after getting beaten and returned to my parents, my father would give me a beating too.

There is simply nothing that hints to what you claim. Maybe one of the Kids stole a chewing gum or something.

Maybe if more police were stopping criminal youths in Venezuela, they wouldn't be the 2nd highest murder rate in the world.
The Most Dangerous Cities in the World

A big problem indeed. But that´s not socialism, unless Detroit and co are Socialist. It is about people outa control, an American phenomena that doesn´t exist to this extent in most other parts of the world.

​

The irony of that statement, is that it is true. Even the worst off people in our country, live better than most of the people in Venezuela.

​

While I highly doubt anyone wakes up thinking how bad socialism is, it is still true that they would all be far worse off under socialism.

See here:
Venezuela marks 2,7 millionth flat built in gov´s social housing program
About food delivery in Venezuela

Do you see that the term Socialism doesn´t apply? Venezuela doesn´t run a Cuba or North Korea style Socialism.

Amid Shortages, Venezuela Forces All Food Distribution into State Hands

What began as rumors of state meddling in the food-distribution market in Venezuela were finally confirmed on Monday. The Nicolás Maduro government is compelling the country’s food producers to send up to 100 percent of their output to state-owned distribution centers and stores, in an attempt to solve the nation’s shortage problems.
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The shortages of food at private stores, is identical to the government run stores, because the government is imposing it's rule on both. It is socialism. Direct ownership is not required to impose socialism, as long as you have control. If I dictate to you, every aspect of your life.... I may not own you on paper, but I certainly control you.

There is simply nothing that hints to what you claim. Maybe one of the Kids stole a chewing gum or something.

There was a general claim about violence against children. If you are saying this is an isolated incident... then that isn't a systemic problem across the country. Whereas the violence in Socialist Venezuela, most certainly is. You can directly trace the rise and violence, to the policies that Chavez implemented.

If you are saying there is a general problem of police being violent against children, the only cases I know about, the children instigated the violence.

Nothing in that video shows what led up to that point. I don't see anything wrong with what the officer was doing. Innocent until proven guilty, is for all citizens, including citizens that become police officers. You don't magically lose your constitutional rights when you get a badge. When you can provide clear undeniable proof that officer just randomly starting beating a kid without reason or cause, then show it. Even then, this isn't a national problem. You have 3 videos out of 300+ million people.

Meanwhile, over 2 million people have fled Venezuela. I don't see even a thousand people "fleeing" the US to get to Venezuela, but they are coming here. So clearly the problem is there, not here.

A big problem indeed. But that´s not socialism, unless Detroit and co are Socialist. It is about people outa control, an American phenomena that doesn´t exist to this extent in most other parts of the world.

Well yes. Socialism and Capitalism are not like light-switches. It's not one or the other system. Some places have more socialism than others. In fact, even in the Soviet Union, it wasn't 100% socialism. Fun fact: only about 90% of all farms in the USSR were government owned. 10% were still privately run, and ironically 33% of all food produced in the USSR, came from those private farms. (Thomas Sowell - Basic Economics)

So yes, in many ways I would suggest that Detroit was highly socialized. From their pro-union policies, to their heavy regulation, to their pro-minority and entitlement policies.

Regardless.... you do actually have a point. I did not suggest to you that all violence is inherently due to just socialism. Do you see the difference?

All socialism tends towards violence.

That statement does not imply that all violence is due to socialism.

If you do not enforce the law, under any system, you will have violence. Lack of law enforcement, results in violence.

But socialism inherently results in violence.

About food delivery in Venezuela

For poor Venezuelans, a box of food may sway vote for Maduro - Reuters

The government sources almost all the CLAP goods from abroad, especially from Mexico, since Venezuela’s food production has shriveled and currency controls restrict private imports.

Critics, including Maduro’s main challenger for the May 20 vote, Henri Falcon, say the CLAPs are a cynical form of political patronage and are rife with corruption.

Erratic supply and control of distribution by government-affiliated groups have sown resentment among others.

“I can’t count on it. Sometimes it comes, sometimes not,” said Viviana Colmenares, 24, an unemployed mother of six struggling to get by in Petare.

The administration of the CLAP - the Local Supply and Production Committees - does not hide its political motivation.

“It has helped us stop a social explosion and enabled us to win elections and to keep winning them,” he told Reuters, referring to government victories in 2017 local polls.​

So let's review. This is a direct attempt to buy votes from the public, which is working. They can't even source the food from Venezuela, which prior to the socialist revolution, was a net-exporter of food. Not only this, but this makes people even more dependent on Maduro, which is his whole goal. He wants to keep people under his control with food, which is why he maintains the policies that has destroyed the food production in the country.

To top it off, the program is funneled through politically connected groups, and rife with corruption.

You know what this is? It's a real life version of the hunger games, except people are dumb enough to support it.

Venezuela marks 2,7 millionth flat built in gov´s social housing program

In Venezuela’s housing projects, even loyalists have had enough

The Villa Poligono housing project, near the city of San Félix, in Venezuela’s south-eastern Bolívar state, is somewhere President Maduro might once have felt his popularity was secure.

But for the past few weeks few of its residents have been at home. Instead they can be found on the road outside, mounting a noisy protest. “We’ve had enough’, says Anna Karena, 44. “This has to end.”

She has multiple grievances. Shockingly, none of the breezeblock homes in the entire complex has ever had running water. When the residents were given their keys in 2014, they were told that the plumbing would soon be connected. It never was. More recently, electricity blackouts, lasting four hours at a time, have become routine, as a combination of drought and inefficiency has left the nation without enough generating capacity.

But what seems to have persuaded her and her neighbours to protest openly is the extreme scarcity of basics, such as rice, soap and medicines. Unable to afford the exorbitant prices of the rampant black market, Karena has to queue for hours, sometimes from before dawn, just to buy enough to eat.

Hers are the same allegations of government incompetence and corruption that are echoing across this nation. A crash in the global price of oil, by far Venezuela’s most significant export, has unmasked both its dysfunctional economy and a calamitous lack of foresight on the part of its leaders. It is grappling with the world’s deepest recession, the world’s highest inflation (estimated at around 500%), and the world’s second highest murder rate. It has no sovereign wealth fund and is facing the serious risk of default by November.

“They have been telling us for years it’s about to get better,” says Karena, pointing to a field that the residents use as a public latrine. “You want to know what happened to the money that they should have set aside for electricity and water?” says her neighbour, Yanileth. “They stole it.”
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2.7 Million flats, and they are all garbage. No running water, no ventilation, and many buildings do not even have electricity. I was blown away by some pictures posted by Maduro supporters, trying to show off how great the apartment buildings were, not one had any lights on. Turns out, they didn't have power, and thus they couldn't turn on the lights.

Nicolás Maduro's plan for Venezuela adds bewilderment to despair

The UN estimates that 2.3 million Venezuelans have fled since 2015 with Colombian authorities predicting 2 million more could follow by 2020. That would mean some 4.3 million people – 14% of Venezuela’s population – had taken flight.​

Over 2 million people have fled the country, and more leaving every day.

If that food, and those houses were so great, why are literally millions of people leaving? Do you see millions of people leaving the Capitalist based US, to get to Venezuela? No you do not. But they have free food and housing!

Socialism sucks.

I'm honestly a little baffled by some of the housing projects in Venezuela. They build some of those million units, in areas that have no jobs. So what exactly is the long term plan? They stay in their apartments and die?
Whatever.

 

[Bleipriester]

Yes, people wait for socialism. Whether that socialism is in New York, or in Venezuela, socialism sucks. It never works. You want to know how many times I have had to wait in a long line for Capitalist food? Never. It's never happened. I go to the store, and there are 15 isles with more food than I could possibly eat before it rots.

Not all have enough money to buy capitalist food. Venezuela is a good example for this. The Supermarket Chains:

Government:
Abasto Bicentenario
Mercal (Charity Supermarket)

Private:
Automercados Plaza's
Central Madeirense
Líder
Makro
Mikro
San Diego
De Candido
Unicasa
Excelsior Gama

Do you see that the term Socialism doesn´t apply? Venezuela doesn´t run a Cuba or North Korea style Socialism.

Are you suggesting that violent kids, should be allowed to abuse the public? When I was a teenager, if I attacked a police officer, I would expect to get beaten, and rightly so. And by the way, if I did that, after getting beaten and returned to my parents, my father would give me a beating too.

There is simply nothing that hints to what you claim. Maybe one of the Kids stole a chewing gum or something.

Maybe if more police were stopping criminal youths in Venezuela, they wouldn't be the 2nd highest murder rate in the world.
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A big problem indeed. But that´s not socialism, unless Detroit and co are Socialist. It is about people outa control, an American phenomena that doesn´t exist to this extent in most other parts of the world.

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The irony of that statement, is that it is true. Even the worst off people in our country, live better than most of the people in Venezuela.

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While I highly doubt anyone wakes up thinking how bad socialism is, it is still true that they would all be far worse off under socialism.

See here:
Venezuela marks 2,7 millionth flat built in gov´s social housing program
About food delivery in Venezuela

Do you see that the term Socialism doesn´t apply? Venezuela doesn´t run a Cuba or North Korea style Socialism.

Amid Shortages, Venezuela Forces All Food Distribution into State Hands

What began as rumors of state meddling in the food-distribution market in Venezuela were finally confirmed on Monday. The Nicolás Maduro government is compelling the country’s food producers to send up to 100 percent of their output to state-owned distribution centers and stores, in an attempt to solve the nation’s shortage problems.
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The shortages of food at private stores, is identical to the government run stores, because the government is imposing it's rule on both. It is socialism. Direct ownership is not required to impose socialism, as long as you have control. If I dictate to you, every aspect of your life.... I may not own you on paper, but I certainly control you.

There is simply nothing that hints to what you claim. Maybe one of the Kids stole a chewing gum or something.

There was a general claim about violence against children. If you are saying this is an isolated incident... then that isn't a systemic problem across the country. Whereas the violence in Socialist Venezuela, most certainly is. You can directly trace the rise and violence, to the policies that Chavez implemented.

If you are saying there is a general problem of police being violent against children, the only cases I know about, the children instigated the violence.

Nothing in that video shows what led up to that point. I don't see anything wrong with what the officer was doing. Innocent until proven guilty, is for all citizens, including citizens that become police officers. You don't magically lose your constitutional rights when you get a badge. When you can provide clear undeniable proof that officer just randomly starting beating a kid without reason or cause, then show it. Even then, this isn't a national problem. You have 3 videos out of 300+ million people.

Meanwhile, over 2 million people have fled Venezuela. I don't see even a thousand people "fleeing" the US to get to Venezuela, but they are coming here. So clearly the problem is there, not here.

A big problem indeed. But that´s not socialism, unless Detroit and co are Socialist. It is about people outa control, an American phenomena that doesn´t exist to this extent in most other parts of the world.

Well yes. Socialism and Capitalism are not like light-switches. It's not one or the other system. Some places have more socialism than others. In fact, even in the Soviet Union, it wasn't 100% socialism. Fun fact: only about 90% of all farms in the USSR were government owned. 10% were still privately run, and ironically 33% of all food produced in the USSR, came from those private farms. (Thomas Sowell - Basic Economics)

So yes, in many ways I would suggest that Detroit was highly socialized. From their pro-union policies, to their heavy regulation, to their pro-minority and entitlement policies.

Regardless.... you do actually have a point. I did not suggest to you that all violence is inherently due to just socialism. Do you see the difference?

All socialism tends towards violence.

That statement does not imply that all violence is due to socialism.

If you do not enforce the law, under any system, you will have violence. Lack of law enforcement, results in violence.

But socialism inherently results in violence.

About food delivery in Venezuela

For poor Venezuelans, a box of food may sway vote for Maduro - Reuters

The government sources almost all the CLAP goods from abroad, especially from Mexico, since Venezuela’s food production has shriveled and currency controls restrict private imports.

Critics, including Maduro’s main challenger for the May 20 vote, Henri Falcon, say the CLAPs are a cynical form of political patronage and are rife with corruption.

Erratic supply and control of distribution by government-affiliated groups have sown resentment among others.

“I can’t count on it. Sometimes it comes, sometimes not,” said Viviana Colmenares, 24, an unemployed mother of six struggling to get by in Petare.

The administration of the CLAP - the Local Supply and Production Committees - does not hide its political motivation.

“It has helped us stop a social explosion and enabled us to win elections and to keep winning them,” he told Reuters, referring to government victories in 2017 local polls.​

So let's review. This is a direct attempt to buy votes from the public, which is working. They can't even source the food from Venezuela, which prior to the socialist revolution, was a net-exporter of food. Not only this, but this makes people even more dependent on Maduro, which is his whole goal. He wants to keep people under his control with food, which is why he maintains the policies that has destroyed the food production in the country.

To top it off, the program is funneled through politically connected groups, and rife with corruption.

You know what this is? It's a real life version of the hunger games, except people are dumb enough to support it.

Venezuela marks 2,7 millionth flat built in gov´s social housing program

In Venezuela’s housing projects, even loyalists have had enough

The Villa Poligono housing project, near the city of San Félix, in Venezuela’s south-eastern Bolívar state, is somewhere President Maduro might once have felt his popularity was secure.

But for the past few weeks few of its residents have been at home. Instead they can be found on the road outside, mounting a noisy protest. “We’ve had enough’, says Anna Karena, 44. “This has to end.”

She has multiple grievances. Shockingly, none of the breezeblock homes in the entire complex has ever had running water. When the residents were given their keys in 2014, they were told that the plumbing would soon be connected. It never was. More recently, electricity blackouts, lasting four hours at a time, have become routine, as a combination of drought and inefficiency has left the nation without enough generating capacity.

But what seems to have persuaded her and her neighbours to protest openly is the extreme scarcity of basics, such as rice, soap and medicines. Unable to afford the exorbitant prices of the rampant black market, Karena has to queue for hours, sometimes from before dawn, just to buy enough to eat.

Hers are the same allegations of government incompetence and corruption that are echoing across this nation. A crash in the global price of oil, by far Venezuela’s most significant export, has unmasked both its dysfunctional economy and a calamitous lack of foresight on the part of its leaders. It is grappling with the world’s deepest recession, the world’s highest inflation (estimated at around 500%), and the world’s second highest murder rate. It has no sovereign wealth fund and is facing the serious risk of default by November.

“They have been telling us for years it’s about to get better,” says Karena, pointing to a field that the residents use as a public latrine. “You want to know what happened to the money that they should have set aside for electricity and water?” says her neighbour, Yanileth. “They stole it.”
​

2.7 Million flats, and they are all garbage. No running water, no ventilation, and many buildings do not even have electricity. I was blown away by some pictures posted by Maduro supporters, trying to show off how great the apartment buildings were, not one had any lights on. Turns out, they didn't have power, and thus they couldn't turn on the lights.

Nicolás Maduro's plan for Venezuela adds bewilderment to despair

The UN estimates that 2.3 million Venezuelans have fled since 2015 with Colombian authorities predicting 2 million more could follow by 2020. That would mean some 4.3 million people – 14% of Venezuela’s population – had taken flight.​

Over 2 million people have fled the country, and more leaving every day.

If that food, and those houses were so great, why are literally millions of people leaving? Do you see millions of people leaving the Capitalist based US, to get to Venezuela? No you do not. But they have free food and housing!

Socialism sucks.

I'm honestly a little baffled by some of the housing projects in Venezuela. They build some of those million units, in areas that have no jobs. So what exactly is the long term plan? They stay in their apartments and die?
Whatever.

Wow, your propaganda sources are really comprehensive. I guess this is why your days are all about Socialism. Truth is different though.

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[Andylusion]

Why do people like you think Stalinism is the definition of Socialism ... past - present - and future? It never even occurs to you that Socialism has evolved just like any other ..... with the exception of North Korea, of course. Do you still feed on the teat or have you learned to eat solid food? Just asking as you don't seem to understand how things progress.

I don't think Stalinism is the definition of Socialism. Next.

Socialism is government control of capital. Period. The rest is just details. When we say we don't want more socialism, we're saying we don't want to expand government control of capital. It has nothing to do with views on Stalinism, or Venezuela, or Sweden.

Market socialism is a socialist model that is not defined by government control of capital.

Bullshit. You're going to quibble about 'control' vs 'regulate', but it's the same thing.

Did you even bother to look up what it is?

Yeah, it's just socialism.

Look... there is no "you control it, but I control it, but you do."

Either the government controls something, or the government does not control something. This idea that you can have a non-government control, government control, is just the left-wing playing word games.

When you say "market socialism", if the outcome of "market socialism" is different from what the outcome would have been under just the "market"... then it isn't market. It's just socialism.

 

[Tehon]

I don't think Stalinism is the definition of Socialism. Next.

Socialism is government control of capital. Period. The rest is just details. When we say we don't want more socialism, we're saying we don't want to expand government control of capital. It has nothing to do with views on Stalinism, or Venezuela, or Sweden.

Market socialism is a socialist model that is not defined by government control of capital.

Bullshit. You're going to quibble about 'control' vs 'regulate', but it's the same thing.

Did you even bother to look up what it is?

Yeah, it's just socialism.

Look... there is no "you control it, but I control it, but you do."

Either the government controls something, or the government does not control something. This idea that you can have a non-government control, government control, is just the left-wing playing word games.

When you say "market socialism", if the outcome of "market socialism" is different from what the outcome would have been under just the "market"... then it isn't market. It's just socialism.

The outcome would be the same.

 

[Tehon]

I don't think Stalinism is the definition of Socialism. Next.

Socialism is government control of capital. Period. The rest is just details. When we say we don't want more socialism, we're saying we don't want to expand government control of capital. It has nothing to do with views on Stalinism, or Venezuela, or Sweden.

Market socialism is a socialist model that is not defined by government control of capital.

Bullshit. You're going to quibble about 'control' vs 'regulate', but it's the same thing.

Did you even bother to look up what it is?

Yeah, it's just socialism.

Look... there is no "you control it, but I control it, but you do."

Either the government controls something, or the government does not control something. This idea that you can have a non-government control, government control, is just the left-wing playing word games.

When you say "market socialism", if the outcome of "market socialism" is different from what the outcome would have been under just the "market"... then it isn't market. It's just socialism.

Socialism, like capitalism, describe systems of production. In the most basic terms, they describe how labor is organized to produce commodities. It is entirely possible to organize labor using socialist principles and still exchange the commodities in the market. It is already being done.