What is bad about socialism?

[Muhammed]

Go to bed now. I don't discuss serious subjects with children.

Your concession that I am right is respectfully accepted.

 

[Hafar1014]

Since the term "socialism" gets thrown around a lot by people who don't know the meaning of it, here's a definition:

Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.

Now we can discuss what is bad about it.

When the government controls every aspect of your live thats not collective. Thats the lie of socialism. Socialism is oppression by the state that has only an interest in holding on to power. As a citizen you have no rights or power.
In practice socialism slaughtered over 100 million people.
No socialist nation has every increased wealth in fact they declined into feudalism, oppression and violence. Red China the USSR, Cambodia, Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, are all perfect examples of the total failure of socialism.

 

[Hafar1014]

Oh give me a break.


All states are funded through taxation, and the US Constitution has a provision for the general welfare of the population. "Welfare state" is just another word which means whatever you want it to. It's just a "dirty word".

Socialism rewards those who do the least and punishes those who work the hardest. Thats why the American commune movement failed.

The Welfare state The Great Society increased poverty, destroyed the 2 parent family, created a culture of poverty and increased crime.
Socialism based on Marx's flawed Communist Manifesto was based on serious data flaws by Engles.

 

[GLASNOST]

When the government controls every aspect of your live thats not collective. Thats the lie of socialism. Socialism is oppression by the state that has only an interest in holding on to power. As a citizen you have no rights or power.
In practice socialism slaughtered over 100 million people.
No socialist nation has every increased wealth in fact they declined into feudalism, oppression and violence.

Where do you get these outrageious ideas from? CIA propaganda?

Red China the USSR, Cambodia, Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, are all perfect examples of the total failure of socialism

You don't know what you are talking about. Do you even have the slightest idea what happened in Cuba? I don't think you do.

Socialism rewards those who do the least and punishes those who work the hardest.

So much unbelieveable crap you believe.

 

[Hafar1014]

Where do you get these outrageious ideas from? CIA propaganda?

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You don't know what you are talking about. Do you even have the slightest idea what happened in Cuba? I don't think you do.

Cuba was taken over by a Communist Fidel Castro. Today Cuba is basket case of poverty for the people but the socialists in control bestow upon themselves all the wealth. There are no property rights.
Health care is poor, they cant even get aspirin. There is no meat its rationed. They were a welfare state fior the USSR and when the USSR collapsed so did Cuba.
Cuba is also the main sponsor of terror in central America.

 

[Harry Dresden]

back in the good ole days California had a little socialism mixed with a little capitalism...a little conservatism with a little liberalism..... everything was going real good, a great economy with a high quality of life....and then the far left started taking over gradually each election until you have what you have today....still a great economy but the quality of life has been lowered to 3rd world standards in many cities there,especially some of the smaller inner cities in the inland empire.......

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Authoritarian Systems Stipulations "

* Reserve Currency Banking Can Put Them In The Poor House *

Cuba was taken over by a Communist Fidel Castro. Today Cuba is basket case of poverty for the people but the socialists in control bestow upon themselves all the wealth. There are no property rights.
Health care is poor, they cant even get aspirin. There is no meat its rationed. They were a welfare state fior the USSR and when the USSR collapsed so did Cuba.
Cuba is also the main sponsor of terror in central America.

. us sanctions on cuba - Google Search .
The United States maintains a comprehensive economic embargo against Cuba, prohibiting most trade and financial transactions between the two countries. This embargo, formalized in 1962, has evolved over time with various restrictions on travel, remittances, and specific entities. While some efforts to ease restrictions have been made, the core embargo remains in place.

 

[cnm]

Sorry, 'common cause' is meaningless. It can mean anything one wants it to mean. Who controls the 'agency of the State?'

Words are like that for MAGAts.

 

[cnm]

Where do you get these outrageious ideas from? CIA propaganda?

You don't know what you are talking about. Do you even have the slightest idea what happened in Cuba? I don't think you do.

So much unbelieveable crap you believe.

At the height of the cold war, the Russians were always very envious that the Americans believed their own propaganda.

 

[80zephyr]

Oh please. Our Constitution allows that, and we aren't even "socialist". And it's not considered "theft" under the law, presently or historically, no matter how much the uninformed say it is.

Actually, our constitution does not allow for it. It has been bastardized by our politicians to allow it.

 

[GLASNOST]

Where do you get these outrageious ideas from? CIA propaganda?



You don't know what you are talking about. Do you even have the slightest idea what happened in Cuba? I don't think you do.

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Cuba was taken over by a Communist Fidel Castro. .

YOU - KNOW - NOTHING. Not even that simple line of yours is true. Have you never gone to school or is it just that they don't teach you anything where you come from?

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Predators And Herds "

* Independence Of The Individual Versus Populism For Tyranny By Collective Majority *

Every government has a degree of dictatorship but under socialism and communism human liberty and freedoms are necessarily degraded.

So, then, under capitalism human liberty and freedoms are degraded unnecessarily? That would fit my observations. It is done for profit, not out of necessity.

Which method provisions more valid normative values : independence of the individual , or dependence on the collective ?

It is useful to consider descriptions of capitalism , socialism and communism in terms of state capitalism , where state capitalism is the interrelationship between a state bureaucracy and ownership of private property .

. CDZ - Why Have Socialists Not Privatized The Socialist Ideals ? .

. Globalism Of Neoclassical Economics Versus Nationalism Of American School Of Economics .

. CDZ - How Consistent With American School Economics Should Current Administration Public Policy Be ? .

. Political Science Terminology : Negative / Positive : Wrights / Liberties : Protections / Endowments .

. Left Wing Are Not Liberals They Are Extreme Authoritarians .

. Google Search .

 

[Soupnazi630]

Since the term "socialism" gets thrown around a lot by people who don't know the meaning of it, here's a definition:

Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.

Now we can discuss what is bad about it.

What a load of shit. You very obviously know nothing at all.

he is quite accurate and knows more than you

 

[Soupnazi630]

YOU - KNOW - NOTHING. Not even that simple line of yours is true. Have you never gone to school or is it just that they don't teach you anything where you come from?

he knows more than you and is quite correct

 

[Crepitus]

Recent dictatorships evolved from socialist/Marxist experiments. Communism has tyrannical rulers even today, such as China where the State has all the rights. Guess who runs the State? A dictator.

So we agree: At that point it is no longer socialism. It's a dictatorship.

 

[GLASNOST]

Where do you get these outrageious ideas from? CIA propaganda?

You don't know what you are talking about. Do you even have the slightest idea what happened in Cuba? I don't think you do.
So much unbelieveable crap you believe.

At the height of the cold war, the Russians were always very envious that the Americans believed their own propaganda.

This is a very insightful statement! Sovjet propaganda was so flimsy that very few in the East Bloc believed any of it. Meanwhile, Radio Free Europe was very deftly making promises of freedom and prosperity by false Western standards ..... and it sounded very good. These two factors were, no doubt, why (when The Wall came down) the population wasn't willing to risk trusting Gorbatjov's "glasnost" and "peristrojika". That's too bad but you can't blame them for being suspicious of Communist reforms. Those who remember (the majority) now understand that they've been duped but they are too deeply invested in Western muckery, such as NATO. The point [your point] is that American propaganda was vastly superior to that of the USSR ....... and the Sovjets never did catch up. Gorbatjov was so naïve that he thought he could just offer his people everything on a platter and they would realise that Socialist reforms (such as Alexander Dubček had foretold) would change the world for the best. Alas, the CIA (destroyers of Democracy) were Johnny on the spot and here we are still today as the Cold War rages on.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

As you flush your commode. ******* idiot.

Butbutbutbut indoor plumbing!

 

[Soupnazi630]

Since the term "socialism" gets thrown around a lot by people who don't know the meaning of it, here's a definition:

Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.

Now we can discuss what is bad about it.

Good lets discuss what is bad about it. BTW most people know the meaning of it and you are saying nothing new.

But using YOUR definition which is accurate and correct we can analyze what it means and get to its logical and inevitable conclusion.

What is the mean of production and distribution?? Is it factories and trucks etc? Well no as that is not really the means of production it is what people produce. True factories are used to produce things but they must be produced as well. Same as farms and printing presses and stores etc. The means of production are INDIVIDUAL people. The individual IS the means of production always . This means socialsim advocates for collective ownership of the individual person by the masses and controlled by the state.

Socialism is also known as slavery. Do not make the mistake of thinking that slaves can only have one person as their owner or master. There is NO rule which requires a slave to be the property of only one individual. One can be a slave to a group or to the masses. That is what socialism is all about. This is why socialism always results in the abolition of all individual rights and liberties because it is only through action directed by ones own mind that any thing is produced or distributed.

This leads socialist to preach social reproduction theory which they all believe in. It means that humans are reproduced based on the production system they live under. We all have babies to replace us as workers in the capitalist system. Therefore to replace capitalism with socialism familes and parental rights MUST be abolished. Engels and marx openly preached this idea as do modern socialists. This idea is always a necessary and absolute rule of socialism. Why do you think they support trans rights? Do they give a damn about trans people? NO. It is a means of attacking and destroying parental rights. All children must be taken away from parents and raised by the collective at or even before birth. Raised by the village,

If you advocate for or state that socialism is a good idea you are an evil person who wishes to destroy all human liberty and enslave the species and there is nothhing good about that

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

as you turn your water on. ******* idiot.

Butbutbutbut water !

 

[Soupnazi630]

Where do you get these outrageious ideas from? CIA propaganda?

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You don't know what you are talking about. Do you even have the slightest idea what happened in Cuba? I don't think you do.

So much unbelieveable crap you believe.

you do not know what happened in cuba he is describing it accurately