What has happened to us?

[Vastator]

We're on it right now, Coyote. Social media and anonymous sites are giving people a chance to nurture their hate. This country has made a poor choice with its interpretation of the 1st Amendment, as well, and allows speech that is way outside the realm of acceptable discourse. Put the two together and you've got.....this past week.

Not a fan of free speech I see... Color me shocked. So would you accept restrictions on speech that promote diversity? Surely you wouldn’t mind...

 

[OldLady]

We're on it right now, Coyote. Social media and anonymous sites are giving people a chance to nurture their hate. This country has made a poor choice with its interpretation of the 1st Amendment, as well, and allows speech that is way outside the realm of acceptable discourse. Put the two together and you've got.....this past week.

If you mean discourse that includes specific, violent threats, I agree. Anything else is protected and should be protected. Even if it's vile and repulsive. The way to counter vile and repulsive speech is to tell the speaker it's vile and repulsive, not to shut it down. That's American.

If you don't do that, you end up with the morass in Europe, where it's not "illegal" to call Mohammad a pedophile, even though he married a 9 year old. Now, would I call him a pedophile? No. Would I hesitate to truthfully say he married a 9 year old? no. And you might notice I engage with people who are critical of my faith as well.

That's Free Speech, and the beauty of free speech. We must have it to remain free.

The way to counter vile and repulsive speech is to tell the speaker it's vile and repulsive, not to shut it down.
That incites more argument, in my experience. In fact, you've called me vile and repulsive before, and it didn't change my mind one iota. It just made me angry.

The thing about waiting until speech includes "specific violent threats" is that is too late. It's closing the barn doors after the horse is out.

How do you think Robert Bowers got the idea that Jews were threatening "his" people? White Nationalist dogma, which is protected under the laws of "free speech" even though it encourages hate against whole groups of people. And that kind of hate leads to some people taking action. Do you honestly think that these groups exist solely to gripe about Jews and blacks? They've got a plan.

The KKK used to have folks who took action against blacks. There are groups who take action against Democratic protesters. There are groups that hate Jews. When they are allowed to spew their bullshit and stir up hatred amongst Americans, it is not a wholesome airing of ideas; it encourages hate crimes.

 

[tycho1572]

Things will improve when the left learns to accept the things they can’t change.

This all started before Trump was elected. I’m confident things will improve as Trump continues to repair the damage caused by obama.

 

[bodecea]

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Last week....

A Florida man was arrested after sending mail bombs to prominent Democrats and Trump critics. His online activity was full of hateful rhetoric targeting Democrats and minorities.

A man with a history of violence shot and killed two African-Americans in a Kentucky Kroger store following a failed attempt to barge into a black church.

And Saturday morning, a man shouting anti-Semitic slurs opened fire at a Pittsburgh synagogue, killing 11 people attending Jewish services.

What is happening to us?

EVERY TIME, I disagree with a democrat, I am called a vile hateful name of some sort, such as racist or nazis.


That makes me very mad and makes me look at them as the enemy.


You want to stop the hate and division, stop believing that anyone that disagrees with you, has to be Evil.

And yet you call names also.....is that how it works now?

 

[hjmick]

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Last week....

A Florida man was arrested after sending mail bombs to prominent Democrats and Trump critics. His online activity was full of hateful rhetoric targeting Democrats and minorities.

A man with a history of violence shot and killed two African-Americans in a Kentucky Kroger store following a failed attempt to barge into a black church.

And Saturday morning, a man shouting anti-Semitic slurs opened fire at a Pittsburgh synagogue, killing 11 people attending Jewish services.

What is happening to us?

We closed the asylums, and involuntary commitment is difficult these days. After all, "crazy people have rights too".

Every one of the perps was on police radar.

We? No, you. That was Reagan's thing.

The idea was born much earlier than Reagan. Educate yourself.

1963: President John F. Kennedy signs the Community Mental Health Act to provide federal funding for the construction of community-based preventive care and treatment facilities. Between the Vietnam War and an economic crisis, the program was never adequately funded.

1965: With the passage of Medicaid, states are incentivized to move patients out of state m

1967: The California Legislature passes the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act, which makes involuntary hospitalization of mentally ill people vastly more difficult. One year after the law goes into effect, the number of mentally ill people in the criminal-justice system doubles.

1977: There are 650 community health facilities serving 1.9 million mentally ill patients a year.

1980: President Jimmy Carter signs the Mental Health Systems Act, which aims to restructure the community mental-health-center program and improve services for people with chronic mental illness.

1981: Under President Ronald Reagan, the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act repeals Carter’s community health legislation and establishes block grants for the states, ending the federal government’s role in providing services to the mentally ill. Federal mental-health spending decreases by 30 percent.

TIMELINE: Deinstitutionalization And Its Consequences


The Omnibus Reconciliation Act, signed by Reagan, didn't help matters, but the blueprint for where we are now originated with JFK.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

We're on it right now, Coyote. Social media and anonymous sites are giving people a chance to nurture their hate. This country has made a poor choice with its interpretation of the 1st Amendment, as well, and allows speech that is way outside the realm of acceptable discourse. Put the two together and you've got.....this past week.

If you mean discourse that includes specific, violent threats, I agree. Anything else is protected and should be protected. Even if it's vile and repulsive. The way to counter vile and repulsive speech is to tell the speaker it's vile and repulsive, not to shut it down. That's American.

If you don't do that, you end up with the morass in Europe, where it's not "illegal" to call Mohammad a pedophile, even though he married a 9 year old. Now, would I call him a pedophile? No. Would I hesitate to truthfully say he married a 9 year old? no. And you might notice I engage with people who are critical of my faith as well.

That's Free Speech, and the beauty of free speech. We must have it to remain free.

The way to counter vile and repulsive speech is to tell the speaker it's vile and repulsive, not to shut it down.
That incites more argument, in my experience. In fact, you've called me vile and repulsive before, and it didn't change my mind one iota. It just made me angry.

The thing about waiting until speech includes "specific violent threats" is that is too late. It's closing the barn doors after the horse is out.

How do you think Robert Bowers got the idea that Jews were threatening "his" people? White Nationalist dogma, which is protected under the laws of "free speech" even though it encourages hate against whole groups of people. And that kind of hate leads to some people taking action. Do you honestly think that these groups exist solely to gripe about Jews and blacks? They've got a plan.

The KKK used to have folks who took action against blacks. There are groups who take action against Democratic protesters. There are groups that hate Jews. When they are allowed to spew their bullshit and stir up hatred amongst Americans, it is not a wholesome airing of ideas; it encourages hate crimes.

What's your thoughts on ANIFTA and BLM?

 

[bodecea]

Things will improve when the left learns to accept the things they can’t change.

This all started before Trump was elected. I’m confident things will improve as Trump continues to repair the damage caused by obama.

Why can't they change?

 

[gipper]

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Last week....

A Florida man was arrested after sending mail bombs to prominent Democrats and Trump critics. His online activity was full of hateful rhetoric targeting Democrats and minorities.

A man with a history of violence shot and killed two African-Americans in a Kentucky Kroger store following a failed attempt to barge into a black church.

And Saturday morning, a man shouting anti-Semitic slurs opened fire at a Pittsburgh synagogue, killing 11 people attending Jewish services.

What is happening to us?

The American Way is to hate your political opponent and want them destroyed at all costs, without any need for civility or morality.

Can you put a year on when it started to be like that?

Don’t know but it was before Trump, though it has worsened since he took office. I suspect this is because the Left has refused to accept the results of the election. Violence begets violence. If this continues, we are all in trouble.

 

[leftwinger]

This sort of incident would go on every hour in Israel until the muslim horde could occupy the Jewish state IF Israel did not have WALLS, common-sense and guns and checkpoints. This is nothing new. Yawn.

11 days ahead of voting, the MSM will apply 24-7 blame on DJT and his followers.

 

[Deno]

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Last week....

A Florida man was arrested after sending mail bombs to prominent Democrats and Trump critics. His online activity was full of hateful rhetoric targeting Democrats and minorities.

A man with a history of violence shot and killed two African-Americans in a Kentucky Kroger store following a failed attempt to barge into a black church.

And Saturday morning, a man shouting anti-Semitic slurs opened fire at a Pittsburgh synagogue, killing 11 people attending Jewish services.

What is happening to us?

liberals are the root cause of all of this...…………….

 

[there4eyeM]

We're on it right now, Coyote. Social media and anonymous sites are giving people a chance to nurture their hate. This country has made a poor choice with its interpretation of the 1st Amendment, as well, and allows speech that is way outside the realm of acceptable discourse. Put the two together and you've got.....this past week.

That is what is so tricky...free speech. Unlike the past, everyone can have a platform and a worldwide audience.

How do we protect free speech without legitimizing the whackos?

Private entities can do it through their TOS agreements, but governments run great risks of partisan persecution.

The solution is simple, but not easy. Educated listeners do not follow ignorant speakers. Wisdom beats lunacy on anything nearly like equal terms.

 

[sparky]

Violence begets violence.

>>>

 

[Manonthestreet]

What is happening to us?

With the press leading the way...

 

[sparky]

What is happening to us?

With the press leading the way...

suckin' it up like cream fed kittens.....

 

[Oddball]

Alex Jones, Sean Hannity, Rupert Murdock, rush Limbaugh, those are the things that happened to us. They took terms like "libtard" and "feminazi" and made them ok to say on the air and the street. They made a career of demonizing the other side. They made it ok, even easy, to hate.

2a. Freudian Projection
The following is a collection of definitions of projection from orthodox psychology texts. In this system the distinct mechanism of projecting own unconscious or undesirable characteristics onto another is called Freudian Projection.

• “A defense mechanism in which the individual attributes to other people impulses and traits that he himself has but cannot accept. It is especially likely to occur when the person lacks insight into his own impulses and traits.”
• “The externalisation of internal unconscious wishes, desires or emotions on to other people. So, for example, someone who feels subconsciously that they have a powerful latent homosexual drive may not acknowledge this consciously, but it may show in their readiness to suspect others of being homosexual.”
• “Attributing one’s own undesirable traits to other people or agencies, e.g., an aggressive man accuses other people of being hostile.”
• “The individual perceives in others the motive he denies having himself. Thus the cheat is sure that everyone else is dishonest. The would-be adulterer accuses his wife of infidelity.”
• “People attribute their own undesirable traits onto others. An individual who unconsciously recognises his or her aggressive tendencies may then see other people acting in an excessively aggressive way.”
• “Projection is the opposite defence mechanism to identification. We project our own unpleasant feelings onto someone else and blame them for having thoughts that we really have.”

They mainsteamed conspiracy theories....

RUSSIA!!!!...PUTIN!!!!

And mostly, from my point of view, because there was a black man in the white house.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

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Last week....

A Florida man was arrested after sending mail bombs to prominent Democrats and Trump critics. His online activity was full of hateful rhetoric targeting Democrats and minorities.

A man with a history of violence shot and killed two African-Americans in a Kentucky Kroger store following a failed attempt to barge into a black church.

And Saturday morning, a man shouting anti-Semitic slurs opened fire at a Pittsburgh synagogue, killing 11 people attending Jewish services.

What is happening to us?

You do realize this is mild.

This is NOT the sh1t hitting the FAN YET.


Why not check out Poland WW2 for multIculturalism great failure.

Everybody was killing their neighbors over ethnicity.

Germans living in Poland were killing their neighbors in Poland as this instigated Bromberg Massacre & local Germans in Poland were killing Poles in Operatipn Tannenberg.

Jews / Belarussians living in Poland were killing their Polish neighbors ib the Skidel Revolt & the Massacre if Brzostowica.

Ukrainians living in Poland were killing their Polish neighbors in Wolyn Massacre.

Lithuainians were killing their Polish neighbors in the Ponary Massacre.

Following WW2 Jews like Jakub Berman & Salomon Morel killed thousands of Poled & vice versa in the Kielce Pogrom.

Not sure it is comparable. The US has a long history of multiculturalism and immigration that formed us as a nation. Europe on the other hand has a long history of conquests, programs, wars and religious divisions leading to war.

Our country DOS NOT have a long history of Multiculturalism. Until recent times, it was a melting pot society.

Good grief, anybody who paid attention to civics in middle school knows that.

 

[Manonthestreet]

What is happening to us?

With the press leading the way...

suckin' it up like cream fed kittens.....

yeah libs sure are

 

[Crepitus]

1981: Under President Ronald Reagan, the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act repeals Carter’s community health legislation and establishes block grants for the states, ending the federal government’s role in providing services to the mentally ill. Federal mental-health spending decreases by 30 percent.

''Nuff said.

 

[Coyote]

We're on it right now, Coyote. Social media and anonymous sites are giving people a chance to nurture their hate. This country has made a poor choice with its interpretation of the 1st Amendment, as well, and allows speech that is way outside the realm of acceptable discourse. Put the two together and you've got.....this past week.

If you mean discourse that includes specific, violent threats, I agree. Anything else is protected and should be protected. Even if it's vile and repulsive. The way to counter vile and repulsive speech is to tell the speaker it's vile and repulsive, not to shut it down. That's American.

If you don't do that, you end up with the morass in Europe, where it's not "illegal" to call Mohammad a pedophile, even though he married a 9 year old. Now, would I call him a pedophile? No. Would I hesitate to truthfully say he married a 9 year old? no. And you might notice I engage with people who are critical of my faith as well.

That's Free Speech, and the beauty of free speech. We must have it to remain free.

I totally agree and that is the conundrum, how to effectively marginalize the hate without limiting free speech. That is why I feel it is up to We The People, not government laws.

I always loved the way the public handled the Westbrook Baptists demonstrations. The angel brigade, parking them out...all free speech and WE letting them know how we felt without violence or infringement.

What if xyz held a rally and no one came?

What if everyone pointed, laughed hysterically and passed around free popcorn?

 

[tycho1572]

Things will improve when the left learns to accept the things they can’t change.

This all started before Trump was elected. I’m confident things will improve as Trump continues to repair the damage caused by obama.

Why can't they change?

Change takes time. Because those on the left tend to be slower than most, it’ll take them a little longer.