What does Putin really want from Ukraine?

[AntonToo]

That's correct, Nazi regiments are a big problem in Ukraine. This is an interesting article from Reuters, but there are many many articles like this, its general knowledge, everybody knows how it is in Ukraine, sadly.

Well, almost everybody.

Commentary: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem- Reuters​

Commentary: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem

As Ukraine's struggle against Russia and its proxies continues, Kiev must also contend with a growing problem behind the front lines: far-right vigilantes who are willing to use intimidation and even violence to advance their agendas, and who often do so with the tacit approval of law...

www.reuters.com

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Russians bombing the shit out of Ukraine population in the big problem, not a handful of neo-Nazis.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

That's correct, Nazi regiments are a big problem in Ukraine. This is an interesting article from Reuters, but there are many many articles like this, its general knowledge, everybody knows how it is in Ukraine, sadly.

Well, almost everybody.

Commentary: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem- Reuters​

Commentary: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem

As Ukraine's struggle against Russia and its proxies continues, Kiev must also contend with a growing problem behind the front lines: far-right vigilantes who are willing to use intimidation and even violence to advance their agendas, and who often do so with the tacit approval of law...

www.reuters.com

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Not really a problem, they are staunch Ukrainian Nationalists, they aren't the ruminants of the 3rd Reich continuing with the same policies of conquering the world and genocide.

I seriously have no issue with strong, fierce nationalists especially in a world leaning more and more towards a form of global gov't that would strip nations of their sovereignty and all of us of our most basic rights.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Russians bombing the shit out of Ukraine population in the big problem, not a handful of neo-Nazis.

People's priorities are seriously screwed up these days.

 

[zaangalewa]

Do you even want to go there with me??? The reality here is that Putin and Russia,

Putin is not Russia - he's a Russian.

did not start this war,

What's wrong. Russian soldiers attacked the Ukraine. Ukrainian soldiers did not attack Russia.

this is irrefutable fact, they escalated it certainly, but the war was kicked off by Obama/Biden in 2013/14, and that was on top of three successive democrat administrations, lying their lips off to Putin and Russia, in wake of German re-unification, that they would not expand Nato any further east, which they turned right around and did do!

Its a tragedy what transpires in Ukraine, it was entirely avoidable, and for four years of Trump it seemed likely we were all upon the right path, but then came impeachment(over Ukraine's corrupt pipeline to the US senate), and that was pounded upon relentlessly by western media, western media totally locked down by CIA & NSA, and it continued all the way through the righteous exposure of both Hunter and daddy Biden's obscene levels of corruption in Ukraine, Moscow, and China, indeed it continues to this very day, and Hunter collecting more cash for his finger paintings, than an original Van Gogh does!

Russia is not a wealthy nation, they could not afford to even attempt to compete with the ocean of corrupt cash pouring through Ukraine, courtesy of the US senate, thus we find Europe involved in its first major land war since conclusion of WW II!

Take your soldiers in the Ukraine and bring them back to Russia. Now immediatelly. I'm by the way a German.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Do you even want to go there with me??? The reality here is that Putin and Russia, did not start this war, this is irrefutable fact, they escalated it certainly, but the war was kicked off by Obama/Biden in 2013/14, and that was on top of three successive democrat administrations, lying their lips off to Putin and Russia, in wake of German re-unification, that they would not expand Nato any further east, which they turned right around and did do!

Its a tragedy what transpires in Ukraine, it was entirely avoidable, and for four years of Trump it seemed likely we were all upon the right path, but then came impeachment(over Ukraine's corrupt pipeline to the US senate), and that was pounded upon relentlessly by western media, western media totally locked down by CIA & NSA, and it continued all the way through the righteous exposure of both Hunter and daddy Biden's obscene levels of corruption in Ukraine, Moscow, and China, indeed it continues to this very day, and Hunter collecting more cash for his finger paintings, than an original Van Gogh does!

Russia is not a wealthy nation, they could not afford to even attempt to compete with the ocean of corrupt cash pouring through Ukraine, courtesy of the US senate, thus we find Europe involved in its first major land war since conclusion of WW II!

That simply isn't accurate.

Russian FSB and GRU political operatives and insurgents began the war in 2014.

Luhansk oblasts of Ukraine, collectively called the Donbas. These demonstrations began around the same time as Russia's annexation of Crimea, and were part of wider pro-Russian protests across southern and eastern Ukraine. Declaring the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics (DPR and LPR, respectively), armed Russian-backed separatist groups seized government buildings throughout the Donbas, leading to armed conflict with the Ukrainian government forces.[31]

While the initial protests were largely native expressions of discontent with the new Ukrainian government, Russia took advantage of them to launch a coordinated political and military campaign against Ukraine.[32] Russian citizens led the separatist movement in Donetsk from April until August 2014, and were supported by volunteers and materiel from Russia.[33][34][35] As the conflict escalated in May 2014, Russia employed a "hybrid approach", deploying a combination of disinformation, irregular fighters, regular Russian troops, and conventional military support to destabilize the Donbas.[36][37][38]

War in Donbas - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This is the exact same undermining of the legitimate gov't they did in Crimea prior to 2013.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

, and that was on top of three successive democrat administrations, lying their lips off to Putin and Russia, in wake of German re-unification, that they would not expand Nato any further east, which they turned right around and did do!

No such language was in the final agreements and Russia specifically signed an agreement with the US and Ukraine guaranteeing what we're seeing right now could not happen.

 

[Mac1958]

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Not inaccurate. No matter how it ends militarily, this invasion will be the end of Putin and set Russia back at least thirty years economically and internationally.

 

[maybelooking]

we have nazis here in America. Does that give Canada the right to attack us ?

 

[Big Bend Texas]

What is weird is that Ukrainian Jews are evacuating to Germany not Israel.

Why is that weird? Germany is a hell of a lot closer.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Undear idiot mine - it's totally unimportant for me and all other Germans or the Ukrainians whether you believe or not believe what I told you about the history of Germany and Europe about 75 - 100 years ago. Believe it or not - this is not any problem for anyone. I did and do just simple not understand what you say to me on what reason.

It's easy to understand, you made a fantastic ridiculous claim not supported by anything in the history of that era.

Produce a source or just admit you cannot, it's not that hard.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Do you even want to go there with me??? The reality here is that Putin and Russia, did not start this war, this is irrefutable fact, they escalated it certainly, but the war was kicked off by Obama/Biden in 2013/14, and that was on top of three successive democrat administrations, lying their lips off to Putin and Russia, in wake of German re-unification, that they would not expand Nato any further east, which they turned right around and did do!

Its a tragedy what transpires in Ukraine, it was entirely avoidable, and for four years of Trump it seemed likely we were all upon the right path, but then came impeachment(over Ukraine's corrupt pipeline to the US senate), and that was pounded upon relentlessly by western media, western media totally locked down by CIA & NSA, and it continued all the way through the righteous exposure of both Hunter and daddy Biden's obscene levels of corruption in Ukraine, Moscow, and China, indeed it continues to this very day, and Hunter collecting more cash for his finger paintings, than an original Van Gogh does!

Russia is not a wealthy nation, they could not afford to even attempt to compete with the ocean of corrupt cash pouring through Ukraine, courtesy of the US senate, thus we find Europe involved in its first major land war since conclusion of WW II!

Of course they started it going all the way back to how they stoke Crimea but let's make it even easier.

In 2014 FSB and GRU political op's and insurgents went into Donbas and started the civil war.

The war in Donbas,[note 1] or the Donbas War, is an armed conflict in the Donbas region of Ukraine, part of the broader Russo-Ukrainian War. In March 2014, immediately following the Euromaidan protest movement and subsequent Revolution of Dignity, protests by pro-Russian, anti-government separatist groups took place in the Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts of Ukraine, collectively called the Donbas. These demonstrations began around the same time as Russia's annexation of Crimea, and were part of wider pro-Russian protests across southern and eastern Ukraine. Declaring the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics (DPR and LPR, respectively), armed Russian-backed separatist groups seized government buildings throughout the Donbas, leading to armed conflict with the Ukrainian government forces.[31]

While the initial protests were largely native expressions of discontent with the new Ukrainian government, Russia took advantage of them to launch a coordinated political and military campaign against Ukraine.[32] Russian citizens led the separatist movement in Donetsk from April until August 2014, and were supported by volunteers and materiel from Russia.[33][34][35] As the conflict escalated in May 2014, Russia employed a "hybrid approach", deploying a combination of disinformation, irregular fighters, regular Russian troops, and conventional military support to destabilize the Donbas.[36][37][38]

War in Donbas - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The first time I had to explain this to you I accepted you were simply ignorant, now it is becoming quite apparent you're just a bald faced, unrepentant liar.

 

[zaangalewa]

It's easy to understand, you made a fantastic ridiculous claim not supported by anything in the history of that era.

Produce a source or just admit you cannot, it's not that hard.

US-Americans are really very strange sometimes. What for heavens sake is your problem? Do you live in fear I could change the US-made opinions about Nazis with stories about the real Nazis? Not my problem.

In context of this war it is nonsense to discuss about the Commies or Nazis of the past. Vladimir Putin is not a Commie and Wolodymyr Selensky is anything else than a Nazi. They have even the same forename. German version would be "Waldemar". I doubt by the way that the German version came from the Slawic version. In German the name would mean something like "message from the woods". Could be a good idea to listen what the trees tell us.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Sadly millions of Americans are exactly like him.

The power of the corporate media to misinform Americans can’t be underestimated.

Notice how the masses will instantly believe everything the media feeds them from covid to ukraine. They don't question anything.

 

[Chillicothe]

Today's NYT offers reportage....from their eyes-on reporter at the scene.......of Russia bombing a shopping mall.
A friggin' retail shopping mall!
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"After nearly a month of fighting, the war has reached a stalemate, with Russia turning to deadlier and blunter methods, including targeting civilians. A New York Times reporter saw six dead bodies at the mall in Kyiv covered in plastic as rescue workers battled fires and pulled more victims from the wreckage Monday morning."

Ukraine Live Updates: Mariupol Refuses to Yield; Russia Strikes Kyiv Mall

Russian forces had given a predawn deadline for the surrender of the port city, pummeled since the start of the war. A shopping center was reduced to ruins by one of the heaviest strikes to hit the center of the capital.

www.nytimes.com

 

[BothWings]

There are no "Nazis" in Ukraine. And even if there were, they wouldn't roll any tanks across the Russian border and try to annex it, like Hitler did. Nazis historically invaded other countries, like Russia is doing to Ukraine.

What an incredibly vague and one-dimensional explanation. Countless empires and nations have invaded other nations througout history. "Nazi", meant National Socialist Party in Germany, basically. Now, almost 100 years after it's formation the word is simply used by many to describe people who don't rightfully belong in power and are controlling the masses through manipulation and coersion. Putin is simply trying to remove those people from power, the ones placed there by Obama.

 

[JGalt]

What an incredibly vague and one-dimensional explanation. Countless empires and nations have invaded other nations througout history. "Nazi", meant National Socialist Party in Germany, basically. Now, almost 100 years after it's formation the word is simply used by many to describe people who don't rightfully belong in power and are controlling the masses through manipulation and coersion. Putin is simply trying to remove those people from power, the ones placed there by Obama.

How is Ukraine "controlling" or "coercing" their population? The Ukrainian people have a strong sense of nationalism for their country, but nationalism itself doesn't make one a "Nazi." Trump is an American nationalist too, for that matter, so is he a "Nazi"?

As for the "socialism" part of "National Socialism", well no. Ukraine is in no way a socialist country. You are confusing them with Russia who even though has adopted capitalism as their economic system, are far more socialist than Ukraine.

 

[skye]

Notice how the masses will instantly believe everything the media feeds them from covid to ukraine. They don't question anything.

And that's exactly why we called the masses......

 

[PK1]

Putin wants to roust the Khazarian Mafia and the "Natz" from Ukraine. That is his goal.

Yet, Putin is the real Nazi, trying to imitate Hitler with genocide of his hated ethnic group; Ukrainians in this case.