What does "Fascism" mean to you?

[CrusaderFrank]

You were apparently inspired by the wrong ideology. Nationalism is not a bad word unless you turn it into a bad word. It's obvious that the left wing enforced the modern version of fascism during Covid. The power of the current administration and the administration's partnership with a fascist media should scare you more than the vague memories of a liberal education.

Dude! I’m telling you what was taught in public school in the Bronx in the 70’s! I’m not saying it was interning with the Medici’s

Some was good, some sucked Michelle Obama dick

 

[surada]

Dude! I’m telling you what was taught in public school in the Bronx in the 70’s! I’m not saying it was interning with the Medici’s

Some was good, some sucked Michelle Obama dick

My God, you're a nasty piece of work. You don't respect women or mothers.

 

[Red Front]

Riiight. Are you mailing your responses in some where to be posted ? Whatever device you are using is a direct result of Capitalism.

I've met people who lived in Russia, Cuba and North Korea under Communist regimes . Are you saying they are lying about there experiences ?

OK, let's take a look at your claim here. It's a common one, but it's wrong.

Capitalism doesn't necessarily encourage innovation, actually one can argue that capitalism undermines the research and development of technology due to capitalists investing in older technology that they don't want to lose to something new and better. Market share is vital to capitalism and if capitalists invest billions of dollars into a certain industry or technology and something better becomes available a few years later, that's disruptive and undermines their bottom line ($$$$$$$$$$$). Capitalism can stunt growth and human progress, as it has already done by keeping us dependent upon fossil fuels when we can easily generate electricity through safe and modern nuclear reactors.

Moreover, much of the research and development for new technology, which includes computers and telecom, is funded by the government. As far as the cell phone and internet, that was developed by the government. The Soviets invented the first cell phones:

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The US Federal Government invented the internet (originally ARPANET for the DOD) and developed cell phone technology as well:

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Much of the technology that we use daily and take for granted, was developed or at least funded by the US Gov. NASA during the Cold War, developed a lot of technology. We went from not having even one astronaut in space in 1960, to landing astronauts on the moon, just nine years later. It takes a government to do that, not a private company.

Capitalism can't survive without socialism. Besides the point I already made about the bailouts that occur every few years, requiring public funds to save capitalism to avoid an economic collapse, the wealthiest people in our society are now begging the government to give everyone a "UBI" (i.e. Universal Basic Income), to create more paying consumers, lest all markets collapse due to a lack of wage labor. Without wages (people making money at their jobs), there's no market. Don't believe me? Here, listen to them:

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Advanced automation and artificial intelligence is eventually going to eliminate most jobs, requiring a complete overhaul of our economy. That entails adopting a system of production that is marketless, non-profit, centrally planned, and democratic, a.k.a. Socialism. Capitalism is going to automate itself into oblivion.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

My God, you're a nasty piece of work. You don't respect women or mothers.

Big Mike is neither

 

[dudmuck]

And there's the excuse. Hitler didn't like Communism because it competed with his form of Socialism. Socialism is a failure no matter the flavor. It is also the most murderous socioeconomic system in history.

socialism is defined by democracy in the workplace. In order for something to be socialized, the workers must have some sort of power in the workplace. Employee owned companies are an example of this.
For Hitler, he opposed strasserism which was the socialist movement in the early nazi party. All workers in germany during nazi rule were under the employee-employer relationship, which is capitalism. The capitalists in nazi germany were tightly controlled by the nazis in many cases. It was a combination of free markets and central planning.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

socialism is defined by democracy in the workplace. In order for something to be socialized, the workers must have some sort of power in the workplace. Employee owned companies are an example of this.
For Hitler, he opposed strasserism which was the socialist movement in the early nazi party. All workers in germany during nazi rule were under the employee-employer relationship, which is capitalism. The capitalists in nazi germany were tightly controlled by the nazis in many cases. It was a combination of free markets and central planning.

Socialism is State control of the means of production. If the Nazi's had tight control over companies that ain't capitalism. No worries I blame the shitty state of education.

 

[Red Front]

Socialism is State control of the means of production. If the Nazi's had tight control over companies that ain't capitalism. No worries I blame the shitty state of education.

Or you can also say the people's control of the means of production when that state is democratic. The public collectively owns the means of production.

 

[bripat9643]

While I had a decent education at public school in the Bronx, one thing I "learned" was that Fascism is a "right-wing" philosophy. Meaning Nationalism, belief in Jesus and other stuff that seems vague to me now

What does it mean to you? Why?

Unlimited choices and as always feel free to name your own

You learned a lie, shit for brains.

 

[bripat9643]

I learned that communism is left wing and fascism is right wing from a very credible source.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DjIk33iz1CiU&ved=2ahUKEwiR3M3LuZCFAxU9AHkGHQ2LCwwQwqsBegQIDhAG&usg=AOvVaw01f70epOqbjalr1izsmEU5

That source obviously isn't credible if it thinks fascism is right wing.

 

[GLASNOST]

I didn't say fascism was unveiled I said it hides behind fake Capitalism.

You are contradicting your previous statement which was the basis of your political conviction.

There are two ways Socialism comes about. The people vote for it or violent revolution.

I agree with that but then that applies to all other forms of government as well.

No matter the way you always have to shoot your way out of it and a lot of people die either way.

What are you, 12-years-old?

The US has always been a Constitutional Republic.

I take that as an admission that the US has never been Democratic. Would you like to rethink it and try again?

 

[dudmuck]

Socialism is State control of the means of production. If the Nazi's had tight control over companies that ain't capitalism. No worries I blame the shitty state of education.

socialism means social ownership, which can take several forms, like cooperative, employee ownership, public ownership, community ownership.
The defining characteristic of capitalism is the employee - employer relationship, with the employer having all the power over the employee. Just like in lord & serf in feudalism or master & slave in slavery, you have employer & employee in capitalism. This also means you can have state capitalism, where the state is the employer.
Looks like you've been a victim of the shitty education.

 

[dblack]

socialism means social ownership, which can take several forms, like cooperative, employee ownership, public ownership, community ownership.

It also means social ownership of labor. And that's where it loses me ...

The defining characteristic of capitalism is the employee - employer relationship, with the employer having all the power over the employee. Just like in lord & serf in feudalism or master & slave in slavery, you have employer & employee in capitalism. This also means you can have state capitalism, where the state is the employer.
Looks like you've been a victim of the shitty education.

In contrast, under a free market each person owns their own labor. Not employers. Not the state.

 

[scruffy]

ANTIFA a group? ANTIFA is not a group. In fact, they don't really exist.

ANTIFA is one of those abstract concepts that single handedly fights fascism without really existing, all while living in their parents basement as they use fascist tactics of violence and law breaking.

lol

You're quite the expert

 

[scruffy]

Wrong.
State control is a monarchy or dictatorship, which is very right wing.

The form of the controller is of little consequence.

Every communist regime in history has had a strongman too.

It is impossible to be left wing without being for a representative and democratic government.

Horseshit.

 

[Red Front]

socialism means social ownership, which can take several forms, like cooperative, employee ownership, public ownership, community ownership.
The defining characteristic of capitalism is the employee - employer relationship, with the employer having all the power over the employee. Just like in lord & serf in feudalism or master & slave in slavery, you have employer & employee in capitalism. This also means you can have state capitalism, where the state is the employer.
Looks like you've been a victim of the shitty education.

I'd rather have a democratic state as my employer any day, at least that employer holds elections and if the management sucks, I can recall them.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Fascism -

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"If fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism,” Ronald Reagan once said. Fidel Castro, once could argue, is a textbook fascist. but because the left approves of his resistance to US "imperialism" and because he uses the abracadabra words of Marxism, it's considered...

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Post #6 is correct

 

[Captain Caveman]

I find the political compass more useful.

And each, in their own, views others in the political compass differently, so necessarily, they will view this line chart wrong, because you yourself, are somewhere on that political compass yourself. . .

Years ago, there was a thread where members did the political compass test and posted their results. I've been looking for it but can't find it yet.

 

[the watcher]

Forced compliance to authority, total dependency on authority, loss of personal freedom, elimination of informed consent, stifled and programmed information. Sound familiar yet?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You learned a lie, shit for brains.

Did you notice “learned” in quotes?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Forced compliance to authority, total dependency on authority, loss of personal freedom, elimination of informed consent, stifled and programmed information. Sound familiar yet?

Yes! Those are the hallmarks of right wing individual liberty, freedom and limited government, er, or something….wait a second, is Fascism actually Left Wing ideology?