Zone1 What do Dems mean by their promises of “affordability”?

[JoeB131]

Your petty quibbles are all meaningless.

If the government can properly tell private businesses that they can’t refuse to sell products to customers of a particular race (which to some extent it can), then the government obviously can also tell a gymnasium (for example) that it is not permitted to allow biological males into the locker rooms, showers or ladies’ rooms. Exactly the same principal.

It's not even the same Zip Code of the same principle. No one is denying a cisgender woman the right to use the facilities. There is just an understanding that they are inclusive, and you might see something you don't want to see.

or that they simply aren't going to be the bathroom police.

So, let's take THIS person.

Which locker room should she be required to use? Even though she was assigned male at birth, to all appearances, she looks female to me. I wouldn't think twice if I saw her on the street, and neither would you.

If anything, Public Accommodation Laws would protect the trans woman's right to use the facility of her choice.

I approve of the former (within limits). I presume you do, too. I also approve of the latter. And any rational fair minded person should, too. I guess that leaves you out.

70 years ago, "fair minded people" thought segregation was acceptable.

None of that matters when it comes to you making a female uncomfortable in her private space, otherwise just because you are in the same bathroom with her, and you want her to believe that just because you squat when you pee that it's ok for you to be in there with her, uhhhh that still doesn't justify you being in there with her (you being a male), now do you understand ???

Except it's not her "private space". It's a public accommodation. Someone else owns that space.

 

[JoeB131]

Yeah and that's why Japan got their aces whipped in WW2, and that's probably why Japan had a tsunamis that killed many thousands back in 2011.

Maybe Japan needs to re-evaluate their cultures and traditions ya think ?

Huh? Seriously? If something bad happens, that's God's will or they had it coming?

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Biden would be the better picture in order to see the folly or grossness in his logic.

I was drawing a contrast between the way white liberals view such things when the context/political wind changes.

 

[beagle9]

It's not even the same Zip Code of the same principle. No one is denying a cisgender woman the right to use the facilities. There is just an understanding that they are inclusive, and you might see something you don't want to see.

or that they simply aren't going to be the bathroom police.

So, let's take THIS person.

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Which locker room should she be required to use? Even though she was assigned male at birth, to all appearances, she looks female to me. I wouldn't think twice if I saw her on the street, and neither would you.

If anything, Public Accommodation Laws would protect the trans woman's right to use the facility of her choice.




70 years ago, "fair minded people" thought segregation was acceptable.


Except it's not her "private space". It's a public accommodation. Someone else owns that space.

If it's assigned to women (not imposters), then it definitely is her private space. Look this entire thing is BS created by a generation of degenerates that have upped the bet every time they get away with something.

At some point a line in the sand has to be drawn, and rules have to be followed that makes sense. Degenerates making or changing the rules makes no sense, and it's got to stop.

 

[beagle9]

Huh? Seriously? If something bad happens, that's God's will or they had it coming?

Could be... You never know why things happen in the ways that they do, so see it as a warning that if you are living lifestyles or engaging in unGodly things, then beware of the possible fall out from it.

 

[beagle9]

I was drawing a contrast between the way white liberals view such things when the context/political wind changes.

I know, and I had to throw Biden in the mix...

 

[JoeB131]

If it's assigned to women (not imposters), then it definitely is her private space. Look this entire thing is BS created by a generation of degenerates that have upped the bet every time they get away with something.

Except it's not her private space, it's a space being provided by the facility.

Here's the thing, if you met Ms. Kataluna on the street, not knowing her background, you'd just accept she was a woman. (I am assuming she is post-op)

At some point a line in the sand has to be drawn, and rules have to be followed that makes sense. Degenerates making or changing the rules makes no sense, and it's got to stop.

Or we can just get over ourselves. Here's the thing about all you people fretting about locker rooms.

Most people look better with their clothes on.

Could be... You never know why things happen in the ways that they do, so see it as a warning that if you are living lifestyles or engaging in unGodly things, then beware of the possible fall out from it.

Actually, I take great comfort in the randomness of the universe. Bad things will happen to good people and good things will happen to bad people. It's not fair, but it is reality.

Heck, even Christianity realizes this basic truth, which is why they promise you all the good stuff after you die.

 

[BackAgain]

It's not even the same Zip Code of the same principle.

Wrong. Your declaration, as always, is meaningless.

The exact same principle. And that’s why you proceeded to meander all over the place but couldn’t refute it.

 

[JoeB131]

Wrong. Your declaration, as always, is meaningless.

The exact same principle. And that’s why you proceeded to meander all over the place but couldn’t refute it.

I don't think I can dumb it down for you any more.

YOu can demand service, but you can't demand the quality of that service. This is pretty simple.

They can't bar you from the locker room, but you can't tell them how to run a locker room.

For instance, I have a business where I write resumes.

One time, I had someone who wanted me to write his term paper. I explained that I don't do that because 1) it's not a service I'm qualified to do, and 2) the whole purpose of his writing a term paper is to demonstrate what he has learned from the course. That was a discrimination I am allowed to make.

What I'm not allowed to say is, "I'm not writing a resume for you because you are black, or Transgender, or a Mormon."

(Fun aside, I did have a guy who was a Trump supporter who wanted me to write him a resume to get a job with the government. I felt the need to disclose that I opposed Trump, but I would still make my best effort to write him a high-quality resume. After a conversation, I suspect he took his business elsewhere, but I did give him some useful advice he hadn't considered.)

 

[BackAgain]

I don't think I can dumb it down for you any more.

You started off in a deep well, dug a bit and then hit bedrock.

Nobody can be as dumb as you.

Your posts confirm it.

 

[Eman623]

This thread seems to have wandered off from its original premise

 

[JoeB131]

You started off in a deep well, dug a bit and then hit bedrock.

Nobody can be as dumb as you.

Your posts confirm it.

Not at all.

You used an analogy that was beyond stupid.

You can't deny service.
You can't demand that an entity provide services they don't want to.

It's pretty simple.

 

[JoeB131]

This thread seems to have wandered off from its original premise

You might have a point.

Usually when the Wingnuts admit they have no real plans to make things better for working folks, they usually resort to racism and transphobia.

"Hey, you can't afford a house or groceries under our policies, but you don't have to see a dick in the locker room!"

 

[Eman623]

You might have a point.

Usually when the Wingnuts admit they have no real plans to make things better for working folks, they usually resort to racism and transphobia.

"Hey, you can't afford a house or groceries under our policies, but you don't have to see a dick in the locker room!"

So what are the left's plans to address affordability?

We got into this mess because the last administration printed up and spent trillions most of which went to the super rich. My 401k is worth about 25% less in 2020 dollars thanks to senile Joe.

So what's the plan? I'm all ears.

 

[JoeB131]

So what are the left's plans to address affordability?

We got into this mess because the last administration printed up and spent trillions most of which went to the super rich. My 401k is worth about 25% less in 2020 dollars thanks to senile Joe.

So what's the plan? I'm all ears.

Tax the rich.

Single payer health care

More housing to be built.

That would make things more affordable for the rest of us.

 

[beagle9]

Except it's not her private space, it's a space being provided by the facility.

Here's the thing, if you met Ms. Kataluna on the street, not knowing her background, you'd just accept she was a woman. (I am assuming she is post-op)



Or we can just get over ourselves. Here's the thing about all you people fretting about locker rooms.

Most people look better with their clothes on.




Actually, I take great comfort in the randomness of the universe. Bad things will happen to good people and good things will happen to bad people. It's not fair, but it is reality.

Heck, even Christianity realizes this basic truth, which is why they promise you all the good stuff after you die.

If it's assigned to a woman as her private space, then it damned sure is her private space. Are you stupid or just being your usual antagonistic self ?

 

[JoeB131]

If it's assigned to a woman as her private space, then it damned sure is her private space. Are you stupid or just being your usual antagonistic self ?

Assigned by who?

And who gets to measure what is "a woman".

Are we going to have a junk test before we enter the locker room.

I'll take your side about "protecting women" a lot more seriously if you weren't trying to end reproductive rights, sexual harrassment, equal pay, and other issues that really effect women.

 

[beagle9]

Assigned by who?

And who gets to measure what is "a woman".

Are we going to have a junk test before we enter the locker room.

I'll take your side about "protecting women" a lot more seriously if you weren't trying to end reproductive rights, sexual harrassment, equal pay, and other issues that really effect women.

Stop being so damed narcissistic arrogantly antagonistic you idiot.... Like another poster pointed out here, you have this tactic of bringing in all sorts of other issue's because you've been stumped or lost in the debate on a single issue. Now if the owner of any bathroom facility labels the individual room's male and female, then that doesn't mean that a biological male can enter the female bathroom, locker room and/or etc.

The best thing for society to do at this point, is to stop normalizing unnatural, abnormal behaviors, otherwise that has to then give special treatment or privileges to individual's at the cost of other people's rights that had always told them that they don't have to accomodate weird and unnatural behaviors, especially one's that go against their (forever recognized for centuries) "culture" that didn't ever put them into a position where a biological male was free to invade their female private spaces, their sport's, their locker room's and etc.

Stop trying to erase women you idiot.

 

[Eman623]

Tax the rich.

Single payer health care

More housing to be built.

That would make things more affordable for the rest of us.

How exactly does taxing the rich make things more affordable?

How exactly would single payer help someone who is already or enough to be in single payer medicaid

Connect the dots please.

 

[BackAgain]

Not at all.

You used an analogy that was beyond stupid.

You can't deny service.
You can't demand that an entity provide services they don't want to.

It's pretty simple.

You’re the thing that’s simple. My analogy is spot on. As you already know.

A store isn’t permitted by law (ie, the government has told you) to refuse to service a customer on the basis of race. Thus, your claim that “You can't demand that an entity provide services they don't want to” is obviously and facially false.

And again, since the government has a legitimate governmental authority to tell you to provide services to some minority (which you may not care to do), it also has a legitimate authority to tell a gym not to permit biological males to use the restrooms, gym locker rooms or female showers.

You can continue to petulantly deny that. But as you’ve demonstrated,, you can’t refute it.