Zone1 What do Dems mean by their promises of “affordability”?

[toobfreak]

Biden denied he could control the Border. Trump proved he was lying.

Yeah but ITMT, Biden violated federal law for four years and wrecked the country and NO ONE DID NOTHING.

Trump to the rescue now is like sending the LA fire department in to try to put the fire out in the Palisades.

 

[toobfreak]

Maybe I can help.
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OK, so Biden was dealt setback by the SCOTUS. The SCOTUS is SUPPOSED to hold a president in check! My complaint is where were all of the federal district judges all those four years?

• KBJ to the SCOTUS? Justices should be hired on their qualifications, not because of the color of their skin.
• Biden didn't lose on abortion. RvW was never a Biden decision. It was overturned on lack of constitutionality.
• Biden didn't lose on guns; democrats are merely delayed and now looking for another new approach.

And my point again was from Biden being stopped by conservative District Judges and republicans in Congress. OK, he had a few setbacks from the Supreme Court. But the GOP in general did nothing to stop him.

 

[Robert W]

OK, so Biden was dealt setback by the SCOTUS. The SCOTUS is SUPPOSED to hold a president in check! My complaint is where were all of the federal district judges all those four years?

• KBJ to the SCOTUS? Justices should be hired on their qualifications, not because of the color of their skin.
• Biden didn't lose on abortion. RvW was never a Biden decision. It was overturned on lack of constitutionality.
• Biden didn't lose on guns; democrats are merely delayed and now looking for another new approach.

And my point again was from Biden being stopped by conservative District Judges and republicans in Congress. OK, he had a few setbacks from the Supreme Court. But the GOP in general did nothing to stop him.

What you said, and it is fact, got me to wanting to add that Biden won in lower courts so it had to reach the Supreme court where they smacked him silly. Trump loses in lower courts, and the Supreme court supports him in nearly every case.

 

[toobfreak]

What you said, and it is fact, got me to wanting to add that Biden won in lower courts so it had to reach the Supreme court where they smacked him silly.

SCOTUS fairly beat the crap out of Obumma, too.

Trump loses in lower courts, and the Supreme court supports him in nearly every case.

Fair point.

 

[JoeB131]

By WE, clearly you are discussing what Democrats do.

Dating back to FDR, he really shocked our system by intruding on us all imposing socialism. When you were a republican, you were against socialism. Now you are fully in favor of outright socialism. Prior to socialism, our debt nationally was very mild. Today Democrats plunged us into nearly nonstop socialism.

What put me in favor of "socialism" (not really) was when I had medical issues in 2007, my insurance company fought me on paying the bills every step of the way, and my employer downsized me despite having the most seniority in the office.

then I realized the most important lesson. I don't make enough money to vote REpublican and neither do you, or 90% of the country.

Prior to Ronald Reagan cutting taxes for rich people, our debt was mild. Less than a trillion dollars over 204 years, including World Wars, space programs, and massive infrastructure.

Then old Ronnie Ray-Gun cut taxes on Rich people and started spending like a drunken sailor in a whorehouse. He quadrupled the National Debt in 12 years.

 

[beagle9]

This country is based on checks and balances. Look at Trump, he is PRESIDENT and even he has checks and balances from congress and the SCOTUS.

Look at how judges are jumping up out of the woodwork trying to block Trump on everything he does.

NOW I ASK YOU: Where were all of the conservative judges during the four years Biden was in? Do you remember Biden ever getting blocked from doing anything?

Did one republican sue him to close the border, his #1 job? Enforce immigration? Block the busing in of illegals? The flying in of them? The human trafficking of 300,000 children? 220,000 of which are still totally lost.

Was one city or hotel sued for putting up illegals? Did one person in the Fed ever ask anything about the 40 billion dollars given to but never spent on a single actual child?

I am embarrassed for my country, for my father who fought for it, his brother who died for it, and especially for my generation and beyond from the BBs to the greatest generation, folks in the 65 year old to 90 year old bracket to have worked hard all their life and grown up loving this country and fighting hard for it, only to live old enough to see the shambles it is in today.

Trump has bitten into a rotting fruit; looked sick from the outside with just a few black spots but is totally rotten on the inside. I'm not sure if even Trump, just one man, can fix all the corruption which is about 70% all democrats along with at least 30% of the GOP, with 90% of the rest of the GOP too afraid of its own shadow to act.

I'm getting an idea now why Matt Gaetz, Dan Bongino, and MTG all said "**** this" and quit.

Great leaders are brave men who make daring choices even in the face of almost certain defeat, because they know it is the right thing to do.

Trump has some really big decisions to make.

Left to me, I'd fly over these Minneapolis riots with bullhorns giving 10 minutes notice to clear the streets before dropping napalm. I was a paid problem solver all my life paid to fix big problems. There is no **** around in me. I take the shortest path to the stated goal.

Napam the fuckers who refuse to stand down from terroristic civil disobedience, use a wheel loader to clear the streets of bodies, then sell off all of their property to recover losses, giving a 75% reduction in buying the homes to registered republicans.

Throw the mayor in jail. Throw the worthless rat bastard criminal governor in jail. Nothing but bread and rusty brown water.

Except for the emotional Napalm part, uhhh I agree whole heartedly with everything you said. Absolute brilliant points being made that everyone should be paying attention too.

Trump seems to have the right agenda, but in the bombardment of it all, I'd say he gets either distracted or worse starts listening to the wrong advisors.

Trump is also showing that he comes from business, and he tries to use his business experiences in everything he does. That's not enough in my opinion, because one must lift up his decision making into a realm that is more slanted towards righteousness and Godlyness. Everything can't be just business decision making, it has to be more than that. I noticed that Marco Rubio seems to me to have more of the righteousness part in play, and maybe that's why Trump likes him so much when it comes to being the best part of that side of it. Vance is great on the Domestic side of it, but that's what it takes is a team, and Trump affording more leverage to his team members.

Great post you made.

 

[beagle9]

What put me in favor of "socialism" (not really) was when I had medical issues in 2007, my insurance company fought me on paying the bills every step of the way, and my employer downsized me despite having the most seniority in the office.

then I realized the most important lesson. I don't make enough money to vote REpublican and neither do you, or 90% of the country.

Prior to Ronald Reagan cutting taxes for rich people, our debt was mild. Less than a trillion dollars over 204 years, including World Wars, space programs, and massive infrastructure.

Then old Ronnie Ray-Gun cut taxes on Rich people and started spending like a drunken sailor in a whorehouse. He quadrupled the National Debt in 12 years.

You leave out all the context and guts when you throw your leftist jabs in like you do, otherwise there is always the offenders and then the defenders or fixers involved in everything, but you love to skate on that point. Thank goodness the people are smarter than you think.

I will say that you do make some points here and there, but for the most part you just go antagonistic butt head in what you contribute here.

 

[sartre play]

A good hint might be the actions the new Democrat Governor of VA has made just a few days into her role, following her promises of making things more “affordable” for Virginians.

Among others, she (and the new Democrat legislature, so they’ll go through) are to;

1) Add in a 4.8% tax on investment income

2) Rejoin some green initiative, which will increase electric bills an average of $1100 a year per family

3) Add a tax for deliveries by Amazon, UPS, FedEx, Uber, etc.

4) Reverse Youngkin’s direction for local police to work with ICE, and turn VA into a sanctuary state, thereby placing more of a tax burden of Virginia earner,

So…my sense of what Dems mean by “affordable” is to raise money on the backs of the middle class in order to keep up welfare programs for people who can’t or refuse to support themselves.

Democrats Pounce On Virginia Taxpayers - Americans for Tax Reform

Under unified Democrat control, Virginia is poised to become a tax-hiking outlier in a region full of states that are phasing out their income taxes.

atr.org

Who knows what they mean? Politicians Both sides run their mouths non stop.
Say just about anything they think will get your vote.
Start doing a little unbiased research, then decide.

 

[BackAgain]

If you don't care, why do you keep bringing it up in discussions that have nothing to do with transgender rights?

You’re seriously too stupid to breathe. One can, as I do once in a while, mock the unbelievable mendacity of liberals and Democraps. You’re the turd bags who think “woman” is too nuanced to ever define. And of course, you’re wrong.

The comment wasn’t actually about “transgender” crap whatsoever. Damn, you’re a moron.

Like you think that somehow, actually wanting to treat trannies with compassion is the ultimate trump card.

No. Again. That’s just your ignorant misinterpretation. Not that the way you phrased that sentence makes any sense.
But since your brain is slimey mush, many of us have to translate your crap into English.

Actually, we need both, but we need to realize that if you want to put any kind of dent into the deficit, you are going to have to go after Middle Class entitlements.

No. If we wish to avoid adding to our unconscionable debt, we don’t need to engage in your puerile “class-based” fantasy thinking. We need to spend less.

We need to disabuse you simpleton socialist-style shitheads of the notion that a debt problem, like ours, can ever be fixed when we spend more (via ever increasing debt, etc.) than we “take in” via taxation.

 

[Lisa558]

You’re seriously too stupid to breathe. One can, as I do once in a while, mock the unbelievable mendacity of liberals and Democraps. You’re the turd bags who think “woman” is too nuanced to ever define. And of course, you’re wrong.

The comment wasn’t actually about “transgender” crap whatsoever. Damn, you’re a moron.

No. Again. That’s just your ignorant misinterpretation. Not that the way you phrased that sentence makes any sense.
But since your brain is slimey mush, many of us have to translate your crap into English.

No. If we wish to avoid adding to our unconscionable debt, we don’t need to engage in your puerile “class-based” fantasy thinking. We need to spend less.

We need to disabuse you simpleton socialist-style shitheads of the notion that a debt problem, like ours, can ever be fixed when we spend more (via ever increasing debt, etc.) than we “take in” via taxation.

A good place to start is to require the half (half!!) of Americans who pay no federal income tax to pitch in a modest amount. These people feel no consequence of the Dems’ spend-spend-spend policies because they are not impacted.

Every able-bodied adult over 18 with an income of any kind - and that includes welfare income - needs to pay a flat rate of 5% minimum. (To the welfare recipients, they can reduce their spending on junk food and soda, and liquor, and cigarettes.)

We have got to move beyond the current situation where the top 25% of income earners pay 90% of the federal income tax revenues, and half pay 0%.

 

[JoeB131]

You leave out all the context and guts when you throw your leftist jabs in like you do, otherwise there is always the offenders and then the defenders or fixers involved in everything, but you love to skate on that point. Thank goodness the people are smarter than you think.

I will say that you do make some points here and there, but for the most part you just go antagonistic butt head in what you contribute here.

There was no "context" to leave out. When Ronnie Raygun proposed his tax cuts, Geo. H.W. Bush called it 'Voodoo economics". David Stockman, the head of his OBM, called Kemp-Roth a "Trojan Horse" to lower taxes on the rich. These people knew EXACTLY what they were doing.

Heck, the tax-cutters don't even PRETEND that their tax cuts are good for the economy or will reduce the debt anymore. They just tell you that the rich deserve their tax cuts because they are better than you.

 

[JoeB131]

You’re seriously too stupid to breathe. One can, as I do once in a while, mock the unbelievable mendacity of liberals and Democraps. You’re the turd bags who think “woman” is too nuanced to ever define. And of course, you’re wrong.

The comment wasn’t actually about “transgender” crap whatsoever. Damn, you’re a moron.

Actually, it was. The point is, you've probably passed transgender women on the street and never thought twice about their assigned gender at birth.

No. If we wish to avoid adding to our unconscionable debt, we don’t need to engage in your puerile “class-based” fantasy thinking. We need to spend less.

No, we need to make the rich pay their fair share. If anything, tax cuts make it easier to spend money. Look at all this neat stuff we get and we don't have to pay for any of it. It's why every time a Republican foolishly cuts taxes, spending goes up as well. We saw that with Reagan, with Bush, and with Trump.

We need to disabuse you simpleton socialist-style shitheads of the notion that a debt problem, like ours, can ever be fixed when we spend more (via ever increasing debt, etc.) than we “take in” via taxation.

Here's the problem, guy.

Most of the government spending is untouchable. Social Security, Medicare, Defense Spending, interest on the debt, and Veteran Benefits make up 5 trillion of the 7 trillion a year the Federal Government spends, and those numbers are only going to go up as more of us age out.

So a knuckle dragger like you or Lisa can squeal, "Let's cut them welfare people," but it gets you nowhere, because we weren't spending that much on them to start with.

 

[BackAgain]

Actually, it was. The point is, you've probably passed transgender women on the street and never thought twice about their assigned gender at birth.

Also, you persist in some odd inability to grasp: I don’t give a shit.

Try to follow along thins time, you drip:

If you wanna pretend that you are a woman, go for it. I don’t have any reason to even want a say in how you live your life EXCEPT when you try to enter women’s public bathrooms or places like gym showers and changing rooms.

Also, if this topic is so important to you, don’t hijack this thread, you off-topic clown.

No, we need to make the rich pay their fair share.

They more than do already.

If anything, tax cuts make it easier to spend money.

Tax cuts make it easier for wage earners to spend more. Discipline s needed to get our politicians to stop spending money we don’t have.

Look at all this neat stuff we get and we don't have to pay for any of it. It's why every time a Republican foolishly cuts taxes, spending goes up as well. We saw that with Reagan, with Bush, and with Trump.

You’re gibbering again.

Here's the problem, guy.

The problem is how your brain doesn’t work.

Most of the government spending is untouchable. Social Security, Medicare, Defense Spending, interest on the debt, and Veteran Benefits make up 5 trillion of the 7 trillion a year the Federal Government spends, and those numbers are only going to go up as more of us age out.

What a load of crap.

You’re more shallow than a mirage.

So a knuckle dragger like you

That’s a funny comment coming from a complete asshat like you. Your pablum philosophy allows you to feel a completely baseless sense of moral virtue. But that’s simply not true. It isn’t your place or the government’s place to direct free people to spend their money on programs they may not support.

or Lisa can squeal, "Let's cut them welfare people," but it gets you nowhere, because we weren't spending that much on them to start with.

First of all, we are spending assloads on welfare programs (not just on the end recipients).

Secondly, since I’ve not shared my views on “welfare,” the reality is that you have no actual basis to tell me what I think or believe.

 

[JoeB131]

If you wanna pretend that you are a woman, go for it. I don’t have any reason to even want a say in how you live your life EXCEPT when you try to enter women’s public bathrooms or places like gym showers and changing rooms.

Is it YOUR bathroom or gym shower? Seems to me that should be up to the owners of those bathrooms and showers.

They more than do already.

Not hardly. The rich have gotten richer and the rest of us have gotten poorer.

Tax cuts make it easier for wage earners to spend more. Discipline s needed to get our politicians to stop spending money we don’t have.

No, it really doesn't. Tax cuts just mean someone in the future is going to have to pay for those goodies we got out of the government because the rich didn't pay their fair share.

You’re gibbering again.

Your inability to refute the point is noted.

That’s a funny comment coming from a complete asshat like you. Your pablum philosophy allows you to feel a completely baseless sense of moral virtue. But that’s simply not true. It isn’t your place or the government’s place to direct free people to spend their money on programs they may not support.

Funny, I feel the same way about the billion we send over to Isreal to get half the world's Muslims to hate us, but, hey, it's an imperfect world.

I'm for poverty relief for a good reason. Because when the poor are hungry, they get angry, and when they get angry, they bring down countries. Read a few history books, you'd understand this

First of all, we are spending assloads on welfare programs (not just on the end recipients).

If you add up TANF, SNAP, Section 8, WIC, it's less than 500 billion a year.

Compare that to Social Security (1.5 Trillion), Medicare (1 Trillion) and Unemployment (Varies from year to year, depending how many unemployed we have. We spent a lot on it in 2020, last time Trump fucked up the economy.)

The only jump ball is Medicaid, which spends most of its money taking care of Granny's nursing home.

 

[BackAgain]

Is it YOUR bathroom or gym shower?

An idiotic question ^ used by JoeyBitch to make his excruciatingly retarded pointless.

Seems to me that should be up to the owners of those bathrooms and showers.

Seems to me that you’re retarded.

Damn, you aren’t worth the electrons.

 

[JoeB131]

An idiotic question ^ used by JoeyBitch to make his excruciatingly retarded pointless.

Nope, it's a valid point. If a gym or store has a policy to allow people to use the bathroom of their choice, that's their business.

not yours.

(All a moot point, because they aren't checking people's junk when they go in, anyway.)

 

[BackAgain]

Nope, it's a valid point. If a gym or store has a policy to allow people to use the bathroom of their choice, that's their business.

Don’t play stupid. That’s not the question;
and you know it:

What is and has been in question is whether it OUGHT to be a law prohibiting biological males from entering women’s bathroom, or gym changing rooms or showers.

not yours.

Wrong. I’m part of our society and, accordingly, it certainly is my business.

(All a moot point, because they aren't checking people's junk when they go in, anyway.)

Again, wrong. It certainly can be figured out if a female has the audacity to believe she has any right to privacy in a ladies’ room, but sees a naked man there, instead.

Are you ever right?

 

[JoeB131]

Don’t play stupid. That’s not the question;
and you know it:

What is and has been in question is whether it OUGHT to be a law prohibiting biological males from entering women’s bathroom, or gym changing rooms or showers.

I think the government has better things to do than regulate how private enterprises manage their bathrooms.

Wrong. I’m part of our society and, accordingly, it certainly is my business.

Right. Was this you?

advocate.com/news/2022/11/01/cis-woman-mistaken-transgender-records-being-berated-bathroom

Again, wrong. It certainly can be figured out if a female has the audacity to believe she has any right to privacy in a ladies’ room, but sees a naked man there, instead.

Um, I've never seen anyone get completely naked in a bathroom. In fact, usually, when someone is doing their business in a bathroom, it's usually in a locked stall.

 

[beagle9]

An idiotic question ^ used by JoeyBitch to make his excruciatingly retarded pointless.

Seems to me that you’re retarded.

Damn, you aren’t worth the electrons.

He thinks that he can debate and win every argument with his idiotic BS, so yes he truly isn't worth the electrons as you so smartly expressed in your comment.

It's hard to believe (but not really), that he would so willingly expose himself by trying to make some kind of sense out of a man trying to infiltrate a women's private spaces, and do so under the disguise of being a women himself.

Joe's habitual narcissistic thinking ends up destroying him in these debates everytime. He's so damned dumb that he fall's into his own arrogant chit pile everytime. It's fun but nauseating to watch him be so arrogantly stupid.

 

[JoeB131]

He thinks that he can debate and win every argument with his idiotic BS, so yes he truly isn't worth the electrons as you so smartly expressed in your comment.

It's hard to believe (but not really), that he would so willingly expose himself by trying to make some kind of sense out of a man trying to infiltrate a women's private spaces, and do so under the disguise of being a women himself.

Joe's habitual narcissistic thinking ends up destroying him in these debates everytime. He's so damned dumb that he fall's into his own arrogant chit pile everytime. It's fun but nauseating to watch him be so arrogantly stupid.

Again, your whole premise is that transgender people just want to see naked lady parts...not that they identify as their chosen gender.

This is a fake moral panic to keep stupid people like you from seeing what the rich are doing to you.