What did Trump offer Ukraine?

[rightwinger]

Oh, come on. You have no objectivity when it comes to Trump. If Trump were truly with Russia, he'd be telling Zelensky to accept Russian rule of Ukraine.

Trump met with Putin without making any demands.
He is demanding that Ukraine make all the concessions on territory and future security.
Trumps insistence that he trusts Putin’s word was refuted by Zelensky with examples where Putin does not keep his word

 

[westwall]

Return of any captured territory…..No

Guarantee of Security……Accept Putin’s promise

You give us half your precious metals and get nothing in return


Why would Ukraine accept this deal?

Survival.

 

[elektra]

Trump met with Putin without making any demands.
He is demanding that Ukraine make all the concessions on territory and future security.
Trumps insistence that he trusts Putin’s word was refuted by Zelensky with examples where Putin does not keep his word

We should nuke Russia, right!

 

[Independent thinker]

Trump offered peace through surrender

Not the surrender of all of Ukraine. The reality is some territory will gave to be ceded. That is the only way out of this. Otherwise we continue a long term war where Ukraine continues to lose little by little until there is no Ukraine left at all.

 

[elektra]

Not the surrender of all of Ukraine. The reality is some territory will gave to be ceded. That is the only way out of this. Otherwise we continue a long term war where Ukraine continues to lose little by little until there is no Ukraine left at all.

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[rightwinger]

Not the surrender of all of Ukraine. The reality is some territory will gave to be ceded. That is the only way out of this. Otherwise we continue a long term war where Ukraine continues to lose little by little until there is no Ukraine left at all.

Trump has not demanded that Russia cede any territory or agree to future Ukraine security other than a useless Putin promise

 

[Delldude]

Trump has not demanded that Russia cede any territory or agree to future Ukraine security other than a useless Putin promise

Wasn't aware He negotiated in public.

 

[Dragonlady]

NATO guarantee of security. Suddenly a false flag and NATO is fighting Russia.

Captured land applies to both.

Precious metals industries from US investment....... nothing in return?

Think paid for that up front.

There is no logic or sanity to your comments.

Trump demanded $500 billion dollars in return for the $138 billion already spent.

Did the rest of NATO demand the USA repay us for the troops and the money we spent in Afghanistan? We were there for 10 years and you paid the rest of NATO NOTHING, for the blood and treasure we spent?

Have you ever asked Israel to repay the BILLIONS you've given them for their defense???

Suddenly you have this washed out bankrupt rich guy trying to turn the US Army into a mercenary force that you have to pay to protect you.

 

[elektra]

Delldude how can you disagree with facts

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Again - never thought I would see the day when Democrats want unending war.
Gotta keep those "Stand with Ukraine" Starbucks coffee cups going!

 

[Delldude]

Trump demanded $500 billion dollars in return for the $138 billion already spent.

Link?

There is no logic or sanity to your comments.

Coming from you that's priceless.

 

[Delldude]

Trumps insistence that he trusts Putin’s word was refuted by Zelensky with examples where Putin does not keep his word

That's bullshit.

 

[Delldude]

Delldude how can you disagree with facts

Fact is you don't know what an act of war is.

 

[Dragonlady]

Link?

Coming from you that's priceless.

Go **** yourself stupid. Where were your links?????

 

[kyzr]

Except without Russia pulling out, nobody would go. The Ukraine could have opened all this mining up before, but it can't because people don't want their stuff being attacking by Russia.

Which is why this mining deal with the US is so important. I'm not sure if UN peacekeepers would allowed in according to Putin to police the "ceasefire"? I heard both yes and no. I can see Z's point, that the 1st step is to negotiate the "peace deal" including "security guarantees", and not to sign a mining deal first.

Now, unless Trump gets Putin to NOT ATTACK THE UKRAINE, which is essentially an end to the war, he's not offering them anything.

True. The peace deal needs to happen first. We all know that Putin won't accept term acceptable to Ukraine.

 

[Delldude]

Uh oh.....

 

[Independent thinker]

Trump has not demanded that Russia cede any territory or agree to future Ukraine security other than a useless Putin promise

So, you're saying that we should continue funding a war in which Russia annexes Ukraine little pieces at a time until 10 years down the road Russia finally has ALL of Ukraine.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Uh oh.....

But but but.... TTRRRRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[elektra]

Fact is you don't know what an act of war is.

Gee, a war started, I gave facts, yet you disagree.

What would the USA do if Russia built Naval Bases on Cuba and advanced communications? That is not an act of war?

Of course, we don't have to debate what you or me think an act of war is. The things I stated happened and then Russia went to war.

Are their other reasons this war started? Doubtful, in addition to moving our warships to Russia's doorstep we began taking over the Ukrainian economy.

Money, why else would the deep state be so interested in the Ukraine. Corruption and money, to dismiss either is foolish

 

[Slade3200]

Biden and Obama did build a Naval base on the shores of the Ukraine. That is enough to start a war

We have bases all over the world in allied countries… so no, that is certainly not enough to start a war