What did Trump offer Ukraine?

[elektra]

Asking you..... don't be afraid.

Why should I be afraid that you won't recognize that docking American warships and building an advanced radar and communications site at Russia's most important access to the ocean is a threat, as well as an act of war

 

[Delldude]

Why should I be afraid that you won't recognize that docking American warships and building an advanced radar and communications site at Russia's most important access to the ocean is a threat, as well as an act of war

No, I asked you if Russia putting missiles in Cuba was an act of war.

 

[luiza]

1. Ukraine gets half the revenue from the mining
2. Yes Trump did offer security guarantees:
There's a ceasefire
Brits & France and ______ send peacekeepers into Ukraine to police the peace
The US sends miners in to mine lithium, and other metals
Ukraine gets revenue from the mining
Ukraine gets security from the NATO troops and US miners being in Ukraine

Except it will not happen like that .

Either Pooters will walk over Trumpfy ,or , if they both are Deep State , Pooters will take the maximum possible because he holds every big card .
He will keep every inch that he has taken and there will no NATO personnel in any part of Ukraine however much the EU blows out hot air .

And for those that are unaware , Pooters was a WEF attendee on a couple of occasions and cited as a Global Leader in terms of WEF membership .
That was publicly scrubbed in 2018 by Schwab but it will need future events to tell us how much these two big boys are actually and truly joined together as part of the Deep State Elite .

 

[Slade3200]

It is our money and our weapons, we are at war.

No we are not at war. Our government is paying our defense contractors and American citizens to make weapons and ship them to Ukraine so they can defend themselves. That’s not a travesty. You need to get your priorities straight. Human life is much more important

 

[Slade3200]

I did answer the question, you don't have the IQ to comprehend simple answers.

You answered for somebody else. Not yourself. It was a weak diversion. Is that really all you have?

 

[elektra]

You answered for somebody else. Not yourself. It was a weak diversion. Is that really all you have?

Like I said, you lack the skills to join a discussion hence you are trolling. You are operating at a very low level of intelligence.

Thank you for providing examples of your idiocy.

 

[elektra]

No, I asked you if Russia putting missiles in Cuba was an act of war.

I have you the answer, you must read it really slow so you can comprehend the answer. Try it, over and over, say it outloud if you have to

 

[elektra]

No we are not at war. Our government is paying our defense contractors and American citizens to make weapons and ship them to Ukraine so they can defend themselves. That’s not a travesty. You need to get your priorities straight. Human life is much more important

I never said it was a travesty.

We are at war, period. Our weapons and money makes it a war against us

Of course, putin invaded the Ukraine after Obama acted tough. Dictating that Putin must stand down

Russia called Obama's bluff. Putin did exactly what he said he would, at war with us, Russia is.

 

[Slade3200]

Like I said, you lack the skills to join a discussion hence you are trolling. You are operating at a very low level of intelligence.

Thank you for providing examples of your idiocy.

Don’t talk to me about skills or intelligence when you can’t answer simple questions and when you spew the kind of nonsense you’ve been spewing about being responsible for wars…. What a joke

 

[Slade3200]

I never said it was a travesty.

We are at war, period. Our weapons and money makes it a war against us

Of course, putin invaded the Ukraine after Obama acted tough. Dictating that Putin must stand down

Russia called Obama's bluff. Putin did exactly what he said he would, at war with us, Russia is.

Talking to you is like talking to a child. The basic concepts of logic and reason are absent in your mind. We aren’t at war with Russia and you can’t blame Obama for something Putin did when Obama wasn’t even in power. You’re not making sense

 

[Delldude]

Biden and Obama did build a Naval base on the shores of the Ukraine.

Unsupported claim.

Obama and Biden made weapons deals with the Ukraine, that is an act of war.

LOL...........prove it.

Biden and Obama built the most advanced secret telecommunications system that can be used for spying and conducting a war in the Black Sea. That could start a war.

Better check, it was over three presidencies.

You still haven't a clue.

 

[elektra]

Talking to you is like talking to a child. The basic concepts of logic and reason are absent in your mind. We aren’t at war with Russia and you can’t blame Obama for something Putin did when Obama wasn’t even in power. You’re not making sense

Like I said, you are of low intelligence. The war began in 2014 when Russia took Crimea.

Slain. You don't know when the war began, which certainly shows you don't know what you are talking about out

 

[elektra]

Unsupported claim.

LOL...........prove it.

Better check, it was over three presidencies.

You still haven't a clue.

You are kidding, right, you have no knowledge of any of this.

It is facts, pure fact.

 

[Delldude]

You are kidding, right, you have no knowledge of any of this.

It is facts, pure fact.

So wheres the proof of your claims..................?

 

[elektra]

So wheres the proof of your claims..................?

Not claims, facts.
You have proved that you have no idea what is going on in the Ukraine when you dismiss facts

 

[elektra]

So wheres the proof of your claims..................?

Ochakiv. Plug it into the usmb search and you will have your fact. Include my user name

 

[Zavulon]

Trump offered Ukraine a security guarantee.
When the agreement is signed US businesses would swarm to Ukraine to develop lithium and other critical metal mines.

It wasn't profitable even with peace with Russia and cheap Russian energy. It can't be profitable during civil war and with scorched land instead of infrastructure.

Trump said that no one would dare attack Americans, period.

And if someone would? Someone like pro-Polish rebels/local gangsters?

Ukraine gets half of the value of the metals to help rebuild, it is a win-win.

Another option. Russia capture Ukraine, kill Zelenskiy and some of his cronies (who didn't betrayed him). Russia nullified all debts of Kievan People Republic, gave them three years without taxation for rebuilding. Pro-Russian Ukrainians sell their anti-Russian neighbours to FSB and get their property.
100% of rare-earth metall belongs to local pro-Russian people, plus cheap Russian energy.
Former anti-Russian, now pro-Russian Ukrainian militants repel their crimes in Russian para-military groups in Africa and/or Baltic states (where new civil conflict have started).

 

[elektra]

Another option. Russia capture Ukraine, kill Zelenskiy and some of his cronies (who didn't betrayed him).

Great point. Zelensky is dead without America inside his country. Russia already has a plan to kill Zelensky.

Trump knows he can wait and make the deal with Zelensky's successor

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

The rest of the world can no longer trust the US to defend freedom around the world or do what is right

When given the choice, the US sides with Russia

No, just Trump, his regime and his cult.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

That's not the deal but ok.

That is the deal, and you are wrong.