What did Trump offer Ukraine?

[justoffal]

Return of any captured territory…..No

Guarantee of Security……Accept Putin’s promise

You give us half your precious metals and get nothing in return


Why would Ukraine accept this deal?

They don't have to..... But by the same token we are not obligated to continue financing the meat grinder which by the looks of it is also a money pit.

 

[Delldude]

What does Ukraine “win” by giving up its minerals?

What did US get for financing the war?

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

They can continue to dig in and fight. They have show the will and perseverance to do so far beyond what anybody expected thus far

I would also start making some incursions into Russia and taking it to civilian targets. There isn't much Russia can do about it right now.

 

[rightwinger]

What did US get for financing the war?

We got a check on Putin’s expansionist goals
We got Ukraine to deplete Russias once feared military without involving US soldiers

 

[Delldude]

We got a check on Putin’s expansionist goals
We got Ukraine to deplete Russias once feared military without involving US soldiers

You know, before Putin invaded, under Joe Biden's blessing, I don't remember any high level talks or UN involvement to stave off the invasion.

 

[Independent thinker]

Return of any captured territory…..No

Guarantee of Security……Accept Putin’s promise

You give us half your precious metals and get nothing in return


Why would Ukraine accept this deal?

He offered no more killing and peace with Russia.

 

[rightwinger]

He offered no more killing and peace with Russia.

Trump offered peace through surrender

 

[eagle1462010]

Trump offered peace through surrender

He offered a Cease Fire and European Troops in Ukraine as DETENTE.

They cant win without another country Fighting against Russia which would lead to WWIII.

That and more money thrown away is NOT IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE U.S.

 

[kyzr]

Trump offered peace through surrender

That's a lie.
Ukraine would not be part of Russia.
Take the peace deal, or let them keep fighting.

 

[JWBooth]

What did Trump offer Ukraine?​

Return of any captured territory…..No

Guarantee of Security……Accept Putin’s promise

You give us half your precious metals and get nothing in return


Why would Ukraine accept this deal?

Should have offered him a ride in the back of an APC, a la Ngo Dinh Diem in 1963.

 

[Delldude]

Trump offered peace through surrender

No chance you can back up your claim?

 

[theHawk]

Trump needed to play as tough with Putin as he is with Zelensky

Russia started a war they can’t get out of
The US and NATO will continue to support Ukraine unless you offer peace
Keep it up and we will offer Ukraine NATO membership
Keep 2/3 of captured territory and we can end this

Instead, Trump made no demands on Russia and demands Ukraine surrender

We aren’t offering NATO membership to Ukraine, that is exactly what started this war in the first place. It’s a red line Russia will not allow.

You obviously are too dumb to realize this, or you just don’t care.

 

[elektra]

The whole war between two foreign countries is Biden’s fault?!?! Are you insane?

Biden and Obama did build a Naval base on the shores of the Ukraine. That is enough to start a war

Biden and Obama built the most advanced secret telecommunications system that can be used for spying and conducting a war in the Black Sea. That could start a war.

Biden and Obama were taking over the Ukraine's energy, Burisma and Hunter Biden. Another reason we started the war

Obama and Biden were pushing International Monetary Funds and World Bank loans tying the Ukraine's economy and future to the west. Another reason we started the war.

Obama and Biden made weapons deals with the Ukraine, that is an act of war.

 

[kyzr]

We aren’t offering NATO membership to Ukraine, that is exactly what started this war in the first place. It’s a red line Russia will not allow.
You obviously are too dumb to realize this, or you just don’t care.

The war is about whose "sphere of influence" Ukraine belongs in.
NATO?
A member of the EU?
A Russia friendly satellite?
How much support will the world give to Ukraine to keep their independence?
So there are options besides NATO membership that keep Ukraine independent of Russia, if they can get a fair peace deal.

 

[kyzr]

Biden and Obama did build a Naval base on the shores of the Ukraine. That is enough to start a war
Biden and Obama built the most advanced secret telecommunications system that can be used for spying and conducting a war in the Black Sea. That could start a war.
Biden and Obama were taking over the Ukraine's energy, Burisma and Hunter Biden. Another reason we started the war
Obama and Biden were pushing International Monetary Funds and World Bank loans tying the Ukraine's economy and future to the west. Another reason we started the war.
Obama and Biden made weapons deals with the Ukraine, that is an act of war.

Ukraine is an independent country ever since the breakup of the USSR.
What Ukraine does is none of Russia's business.
Invading Ukraine is "an act of war".

 

[mikegriffith1]

The rest of the world can no longer trust the US to defend freedom around the world or do what is right.

Really? This is your conclusion based on one rocky meeting?

There is some merit to the argument that Zelensky should not have argued with Trump and Vance in front of the cameras. He should have done that in private.

When given the choice, the US sides with Russia

Oh, come on. You have no objectivity when it comes to Trump. If Trump were truly with Russia, he'd be telling Zelensky to accept Russian rule of Ukraine.

There is strong pro-Russian sentiment in the eastern Ukrainian provinces of Luhansk, Donetsk, and Kharkiv. It would not be the end of the world if the final peace deal gave Russia a chunk of these provinces in exchange for keeping the rest of Ukraine independent. But, there would need to be some kind of permanent security guarantee and/or a peacekeeping force in Ukraine for at least 10 years.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Trump offered Ukraine a security guarantee.
When the agreement is signed US businesses would swarm to Ukraine to develop lithium and other critical metal mines.

Trump said that no one would dare attack Americans, period.
Ukraine gets half of the value of the metals to help rebuild, it is a win-win.

Except without Russia pulling out, nobody would go. The Ukraine could have opened all this mining up before, but it can't because people don't want their stuff being attacking by Russia.

Now, unless Trump gets Putin to NOT ATTACK THE UKRAINE, which is essentially an end to the war, he's not offering them anything.

 

[rightwinger]

There is some merit to the argument that Zelensky should not have argued with Trump and Vance in front of the cameras. He should have done that in private.

What did you watch?

Trump and Vance intentionally double teamed Zelensky and he tried to defend his country and was shouted down
Zelensky was the one acting diplomatically

 

[Captain Caveman]

1. Ukraine gets half the revenue from the mining
2. Yes Trump did offer security guarantees:
There's a ceasefire
Brits & France and ______ send peacekeepers into Ukraine to police the peace
The US sends miners in to mine lithium, and other metals
Ukraine gets revenue from the mining
Ukraine gets security from the NATO troops and US miners being in Ukraine

There's a ceasefire

Brits & France and ______ send peacekeepers into Ukraine to police the peace

Keep the US out of it

Ukraine gets security from the NATO troops in Ukraine

 

[elektra]

Ukraine is an independent country ever since the breakup of the USSR.
What Ukraine does is none of Russia's business.
Invading Ukraine is "an act of war".

My comment is about what we did, not what the Ukraine did.

You lack comprehension skills