What did our founders really mean when they said “general welfare”?

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Madison in Federalist 45:

The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.

The operations of the federal government will be most extensive and important in times of war and danger; those of the State governments, in times of peace and security. As the former periods will probably bear a small proportion to the latter, the State governments will here enjoy another advantage over the federal government. The more adequate, indeed, the federal powers may be rendered to the national defense, the less frequent will be those scenes of danger which might favor their ascendancy over the governments of the particular States.

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What part of that first sentence don't people get ?
We know that already.

The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.

Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. (Illinois State Constitution)
You clearly don't comprehend.

But, I've noticed you are in denial whenever J. Madison is brought to your attention.

You just ignore it and continue with your same silly claims.
The general government of the Union is limited, remember.
You and your circular logic.

There is no clause in the Constitution that allows the government to take care of general welfare (as in whatever they see needs addressing.

We are done.
Our welfare clause is General not limited or common. It must be able to cover any given contingency. Right wingers logic is even more circular since they believe the common defense can include the general warfare and the common offense and is not limited to the common defense.
 

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Madison in Federalist 45:

The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.

The operations of the federal government will be most extensive and important in times of war and danger; those of the State governments, in times of peace and security. As the former periods will probably bear a small proportion to the latter, the State governments will here enjoy another advantage over the federal government. The more adequate, indeed, the federal powers may be rendered to the national defense, the less frequent will be those scenes of danger which might favor their ascendancy over the governments of the particular States.

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What part of that first sentence don't people get ?
We know that already.

The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.

Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. (Illinois State Constitution)
You clearly don't comprehend.

But, I've noticed you are in denial whenever J. Madison is brought to your attention.

You just ignore it and continue with your same silly claims.
The general government of the Union is limited, remember.
You and your circular logic.

There is no clause in the Constitution that allows the government to take care of general welfare (as in whatever they see needs addressing.

We are done.
Our welfare clause is General not limited or common. It must be able to cover any given contingency. Right wingers logic is even more circular since they believe the common defense can include the general warfare and the common offense and is not limited to the common defense.
Free shit!
 
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Madison in Federalist 45:

The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.

The operations of the federal government will be most extensive and important in times of war and danger; those of the State governments, in times of peace and security. As the former periods will probably bear a small proportion to the latter, the State governments will here enjoy another advantage over the federal government. The more adequate, indeed, the federal powers may be rendered to the national defense, the less frequent will be those scenes of danger which might favor their ascendancy over the governments of the particular States.

************************

What part of that first sentence don't people get ?
We know that already.

The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.

Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. (Illinois State Constitution)
You clearly don't comprehend.

But, I've noticed you are in denial whenever J. Madison is brought to your attention.

You just ignore it and continue with your same silly claims.
The general government of the Union is limited, remember.
You and your circular logic.

There is no clause in the Constitution that allows the government to take care of general welfare (as in whatever they see needs addressing.

We are done.
Our welfare clause is General not limited or common. It must be able to cover any given contingency. Right wingers logic is even more circular since they believe the common defense can include the general warfare and the common offense and is not limited to the common defense.
 

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Madison in Federalist 45:

The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.

The operations of the federal government will be most extensive and important in times of war and danger; those of the State governments, in times of peace and security. As the former periods will probably bear a small proportion to the latter, the State governments will here enjoy another advantage over the federal government. The more adequate, indeed, the federal powers may be rendered to the national defense, the less frequent will be those scenes of danger which might favor their ascendancy over the governments of the particular States.

************************

What part of that first sentence don't people get ?
We know that already.

The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.

Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. (Illinois State Constitution)
You clearly don't comprehend.

But, I've noticed you are in denial whenever J. Madison is brought to your attention.

You just ignore it and continue with your same silly claims.
The general government of the Union is limited, remember.
You and your circular logic.

There is no clause in the Constitution that allows the government to take care of general welfare (as in whatever they see needs addressing.

We are done.
Our welfare clause is General not limited or common. It must be able to cover any given contingency. Right wingers logic is even more circular since they believe the common defense can include the general warfare and the common offense and is not limited to the common defense.
Free shit!
Unlike your socialism on a national and international basis known as your alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror; which y'all don't have enough confidence in to pay real wartime taxes on. Tax cut economics is proof right wingers have nothing but Expensive Hoax.
 

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Madison in Federalist 45:

The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.

The operations of the federal government will be most extensive and important in times of war and danger; those of the State governments, in times of peace and security. As the former periods will probably bear a small proportion to the latter, the State governments will here enjoy another advantage over the federal government. The more adequate, indeed, the federal powers may be rendered to the national defense, the less frequent will be those scenes of danger which might favor their ascendancy over the governments of the particular States.

************************

What part of that first sentence don't people get ?
We know that already.

The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.

Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. (Illinois State Constitution)
You clearly don't comprehend.

But, I've noticed you are in denial whenever J. Madison is brought to your attention.

You just ignore it and continue with your same silly claims.
The general government of the Union is limited, remember.
You and your circular logic.

There is no clause in the Constitution that allows the government to take care of general welfare (as in whatever they see needs addressing.

We are done.
Our welfare clause is General not limited or common. It must be able to cover any given contingency. Right wingers logic is even more circular since they believe the common defense can include the general warfare and the common offense and is not limited to the common defense.
Free shit!
Unlike your socialism on a national and international basis known as your alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror; which y'all don't have enough confidence in to pay real wartime taxes on. Tax cut economics is proof right wingers have nothing but Expensive Hoax.
Good one! I almost went cross-eyed trying to read it.
 

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