What did our founders really mean when they said “general welfare”?

[rightwinger]

So, in your view, there really isn't any limit to what the government has a right to do?

As long as the policies are said to help the general population?

Doesn't seem like a novus ordo seclorum at all, but instead just the old school idea of totalitarian government.

The "age of big government" continues I guess.

Governments job is to do what needs doing as determined by We the People

 

[TNHarley]

Not responding to this piece of shit post

Because it doesnt help me and you cant lie your way out of it.

 

[Vegasgiants]

Because it doesnt help me and you cant lie your way out of it.

I dont know that anything can help you. Lol

 

[TNHarley]

Building a bridge in your neighborhood does nothing to help me. I will never use it

So bridges cant be general welfare

In fact, you can’t name a single thing Government does that helps everyone equally. It can’t be done

Thats why all they are pretty much supposed to do is handle the military, Naturalization and make sure the states arent being bad.
Thank you for waking the fuck up

 

[TNHarley]

I dont know that anything can help you. Lol

who the fuck are you?

 

[Slade3200]

"General" means everybody's welfare is improved, like building roads and bridges where everyone benefits. It does not mean some over others, hence it is NOT about gov't social welfare programs that did not exist then. And BTW, the Preamble is only an introduction to the Constitution and not a basis for any laws/legislation. The Preamble’s statements of purpose do not themselves grant powers or confer rights; the substantive provisions in the main body of the Constitution do that.

There are valid counter arguments to your points. Social welfare programs decrease poverty and crime which helps communities and our country as a whole. Knowing the intent of the founding authors of the constitution is an important factor in understanding the powers that are granted. The preamble and several other supporting documents are used in court cases all the time

 

[TNHarley]

So, in your view, there really isn't any limit to what the government has a right to do?

As long as the policies are said to help the general population?

Doesn't seem like a novus ordo seclorum at all, but instead just the old school idea of totalitarian government.

The "age of big government" continues I guess.

Congress votes its in the interest of the country to kill off everyone 55 and older.
If he had his way, they could do that.
Thats why you should never listen to a federal supremacist. They are the stupidest mother fuckers on the planet.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

There are valid counter arguments to your points. Social welfare programs decrease poverty and crime which helps communities and our country as a whole. Knowing the intent of the founding authors of the constitution is an important factor in understanding the powers that are granted. The preamble and several other supporting documents are used in court cases all the time

We've poured trillions of dollars into poverty programs since 1965 without moving the needle substantially since 1968.

Crime rates have also risen over the last two years exponentially particularly in blue cities to levels not since since violent crime rates peaked in 97.

That argument doesn't have any foundation.

 

[Vegasgiants]

who the fuck are you?

I am god


Kneel before your lord and master. Lol

 

[Vegasgiants]

We've poured trillions of dollars into poverty programs since 1965 without moving the needle substantially since 1968.

Crime rates have also risen over the last two years exponentially particularly in blue cities to levels not since since violent crime rates peaked in 97.

That argument doesn't have any foundation.

So you want to end all social programs????

 

[Big Bend Texas]

There are valid counter arguments to your points. Social welfare programs decrease poverty and crime which helps communities and our country as a whole. Knowing the intent of the founding authors of the constitution is an important factor in understanding the powers that are granted. The preamble and several other supporting documents are used in court cases all the time

The Plenary clause delegates no authority and has no force of law. It's nothing but a statement of purpose.

General welfare is defined explicitly under A1 S8 and social programs are not included.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

So you want to end all social programs????

It must be really difficult getting through life with such limited vision and intellectual ability.

 

[Vegasgiants]

The Plenary clause delegates no authority and has no force of law. It's nothing but a statement of purpose.

General welfare is defined explicitly under A1 S8 and social programs are not included.

That is factually incorrect and no jurist in America believes you

 

[Vegasgiants]

It must be really difficult getting through life with such limited vision and intellectual ability.

Well thank god you can rely on social programs then to help you. Lol

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Yes. It's ok as long as it helps the people

"The People" is all of us, not some of us.

 

[Slade3200]

We've poured trillions of dollars into poverty programs since 1965 without moving the needle substantially since 1968.

Crime rates have also risen over the last two years exponentially particularly in blue cities to levels not since since violent crime rates peaked in 97.

That argument doesn't have any foundation.

Without moving the needle? Crime rates had a dramatic rise for three decades since the 60s but have been dramatically declining over the past 3 decades. Looks like some needles are moving...

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Well thank god you can rely on social programs then to help you. Lol

I've never relied on any social programs, I pay my own way.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Without moving the needle? Crime rates had a dramatic rise for three decades since the 60s but have been dramatically declining over the past 3 decades. Looks like some needles are moving...

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Your chart ends at 2018.

3 strikes and your out and heavy sentences for violent crimes, particularly those associated with drugs putting offenders away for decades is what finally broke the rise in violent crime rates in the 90's, not any social program.

We've of course now undone just about all of the good they did.

 

[Slade3200]

The Plenary clause delegates no authority and has no force of law. It's nothing but a statement of purpose.

General welfare is defined explicitly under A1 S8 and social programs are not included.

Agreed and statements of purpose are considered when adjudicating constitutional issues... Correct?

 

[Vegasgiants]

"The People" is all of us, not some of us.

Yep. Every American should have access to single payer healthcare. I agree