What did our founders really mean when they said “general welfare”?

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“General Welfare“ is quite simple

Do what is best for We the People
Exactly....and not “do what is best for certain people”
Right. "General welfare" was just an additional constraint on government (not a fucking "implied power"). It was saying that government couldn't collect taxes for the "specific" welfare of certain people. They had just rebelled against a king who used taxation to enrich himself and ignore his subjects.
 

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“General Welfare“ is quite simple

Do what is best for We the People
Exactly....and not “do what is best for certain people”
Right. "General welfare" was just an additional constraint on government (not a fucking "implied power"). It was saying that government couldn't collect taxes for the "specific" welfare of certain people. They had just rebelled against a king who used taxation to enrich himself and ignore his subjects.
General Welfare means....just do what is best for the people
 

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If you voted for Trump there’s a good chance you’re a lot like me with regard to why....I voted for him on two policies almost exclusively...First and foremost on how he would deal with illegal Mexicans and the border and second on how he would yank lowlifes off the Democrat induced welfare plantation.
wow, your values are in the toilet

I hope you don't believe in God because if their is one, you are toast at the end of times

peace brother, may you find your way
 

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It means sending people who make under 75 grand(the poor) a stimulus check because it's the right thing to do.
 

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“General Welfare“ is quite simple

Do what is best for We the People
Exactly....and not “do what is best for certain people”
Right. "General welfare" was just an additional constraint on government (not a fucking "implied power"). It was saying that government couldn't collect taxes for the "specific" welfare of certain people. They had just rebelled against a king who used taxation to enrich himself and ignore his subjects.
General Welfare means....just do what is best for the people
Nope ... it's a modifying clause, attached to the taxation power. It doesn't mean "just do what is best for the people". That's unlimited government power - every liberals wet dream.
 

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This is our mission statement for our form of federal Government:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Since our Founding Fathers were not omniscient, they included a welfare clause General to provide for any given contingency.
 

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“General Welfare“ is quite simple

Do what is best for We the People
Exactly....and not “do what is best for certain people”
Right. "General welfare" was just an additional constraint on government (not a fucking "implied power"). It was saying that government couldn't collect taxes for the "specific" welfare of certain people. They had just rebelled against a king who used taxation to enrich himself and ignore his subjects.
General Welfare means....just do what is best for the people
Nope ... it's a modifying clause, attached to the taxation power. It doesn't mean "just do what is best for the people". That's unlimited government power - every liberals wet dream.
Read the Preamble
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of ...
 

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One thing we do know is that it should not mean that billion dollar corporations should be getting government subsidies while they move jobs out of the country.
Underrated post in the topic.

Also, he didn't break me, it's just I wanna make dinner and stuff...i'll respond later.
 
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According to JAMES MADISON, the clause authorized Congress to spend money, but only to carry out the powers and duties specifically enumerated in the subsequent clauses of Article I, Section 8, and elsewhere in the Constitution, not to meet the seemingly infinite needs of the general welfare. ALEXANDER HAMILTON maintained that the clause granted Congress the power to spend without limitation for the general welfare of the nation. The winner of this debate was not declared for 150 years.
Hamilton originally (when they were still trying to get everyone to sign on to the newly written Constitution) agreed with Madison. He only changed his tune after the Constitution was ratified, and his bankster friends steered him their way.
 

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“General Welfare“ is quite simple

Do what is best for We the People
Exactly....and not “do what is best for certain people”
Right. "General welfare" was just an additional constraint on government (not a fucking "implied power"). It was saying that government couldn't collect taxes for the "specific" welfare of certain people. They had just rebelled against a king who used taxation to enrich himself and ignore his subjects.
General Welfare means....just do what is best for the people
Nope ... it's a modifying clause, attached to the taxation power. It doesn't mean "just do what is best for the people". That's unlimited government power - every liberals wet dream.
Read the Preamble
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of ...
So according to the Constitution, what has a higher priority, National defense or promoting the general welfare?
 

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“General Welfare“ is quite simple

Do what is best for We the People
Exactly....and not “do what is best for certain people”
Right. "General welfare" was just an additional constraint on government (not a fucking "implied power"). It was saying that government couldn't collect taxes for the "specific" welfare of certain people. They had just rebelled against a king who used taxation to enrich himself and ignore his subjects.
General Welfare means....just do what is best for the people
Nope ... it's a modifying clause, attached to the taxation power. It doesn't mean "just do what is best for the people". That's unlimited government power - every liberals wet dream.
Read the Preamble
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of ...
So according to the Constitution, what has a higher priority, National defense or promoting the general welfare?
Our Constitution says nothing about priorities
It leaves it up to elected Government
 
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“General Welfare“ is quite simple

Do what is best for We the People
Exactly....and not “do what is best for certain people”
Right. "General welfare" was just an additional constraint on government (not a fucking "implied power"). It was saying that government couldn't collect taxes for the "specific" welfare of certain people. They had just rebelled against a king who used taxation to enrich himself and ignore his subjects.
General Welfare means....just do what is best for the people
Nope ... it's a modifying clause, attached to the taxation power. It doesn't mean "just do what is best for the people". That's unlimited government power - every liberals wet dream.
Read the Preamble
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of ...
So according to the Constitution, what has a higher priority, National defense or promoting the general welfare?
Our Constitution says nothing about priorities
It leaves it up to elected Government
Anyone with common sense can see by mentioning National defense first, that it's the priority.
 

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General Welfare means....just do what is best for the people
No it does not. That is absurd and retarded.

You could argue that ANYTHING is best for the people and shit all over the other parts of the Constitution and Amendments as well as all individual rights.

If General Welfare means "just do what is best for the people" the entirety of the Constitution is null and void, because that means the FedGov can do ANYTHING it deems "best for the people" including killing some people and jailing others without cause.
 

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