What did our founders really mean when they said “general welfare”?

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“General Welfare“ is quite simple

Do what is best for We the People
Exactly....and not “do what is best for certain people”
Right. "General welfare" was just an additional constraint on government (not a fucking "implied power"). It was saying that government couldn't collect taxes for the "specific" welfare of certain people. They had just rebelled against a king who used taxation to enrich himself and ignore his subjects.
General Welfare means....just do what is best for the people
Nope ... it's a modifying clause, attached to the taxation power. It doesn't mean "just do what is best for the people". That's unlimited government power - every liberals wet dream.
Read the Preamble
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of ...
So according to the Constitution, what has a higher priority, National defense or promoting the general welfare?
Our Constitution says nothing about priorities
It leaves it up to elected Government
Anyone with common sense can see by mentioning National defense first, that it's the priority.
If it was a priority, it would say so
 
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If General Welfare means "just do what is best for the people" the entirety of the Constitution is null and void, because that means the FedGov can do ANYTHING it deems "best for the people"
That is the general idea

Instead of dictating specifically what Government can do, it allows elected Government to do what is best for the people who elected them.

If they don’t, they don’t get elected
 

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“General Welfare“ is quite simple

Do what is best for We the People
Yes, what's best for ALL the people.
No legislation helps all people equally
It should.
How does public education help all people equally?
How does Medicare help everyone equally?
Isn't public education available to every child? Isn't Medicare available to every retiree?
 

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“General Welfare“ is quite simple

Do what is best for We the People
Exactly....and not “do what is best for certain people”
Right. "General welfare" was just an additional constraint on government (not a fucking "implied power"). It was saying that government couldn't collect taxes for the "specific" welfare of certain people. They had just rebelled against a king who used taxation to enrich himself and ignore his subjects.
General Welfare means....just do what is best for the people
Nope ... it's a modifying clause, attached to the taxation power. It doesn't mean "just do what is best for the people". That's unlimited government power - every liberals wet dream.
Read the Preamble
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of ...
So according to the Constitution, what has a higher priority, National defense or promoting the general welfare?
Our Constitution says nothing about priorities
It leaves it up to elected Government
Anyone with common sense can see by mentioning National defense first, that it's the priority.
If it was a priority, it would say so
It does say so. It's mentioned first.
 

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“General Welfare“ is quite simple

Do what is best for We the People
Exactly....and not “do what is best for certain people”
Right. "General welfare" was just an additional constraint on government (not a fucking "implied power"). It was saying that government couldn't collect taxes for the "specific" welfare of certain people. They had just rebelled against a king who used taxation to enrich himself and ignore his subjects.
General Welfare means....just do what is best for the people
Nope ... it's a modifying clause, attached to the taxation power. It doesn't mean "just do what is best for the people". That's unlimited government power - every liberals wet dream.
Read the Preamble
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of ...
So according to the Constitution, what has a higher priority, National defense or promoting the general welfare?
Promote is only used for the general welfare not the common defense; and, there is no general warfare clause nor any common offense clause.
 

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“General Welfare“ is quite simple

Do what is best for We the People
Exactly....and not “do what is best for certain people”
Right. "General welfare" was just an additional constraint on government (not a fucking "implied power"). It was saying that government couldn't collect taxes for the "specific" welfare of certain people. They had just rebelled against a king who used taxation to enrich himself and ignore his subjects.
General Welfare means....just do what is best for the people
Nope ... it's a modifying clause, attached to the taxation power. It doesn't mean "just do what is best for the people". That's unlimited government power - every liberals wet dream.
Read the Preamble
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of ...
So according to the Constitution, what has a higher priority, National defense or promoting the general welfare?
Promote is only used for the general welfare not the common defense; and, there is no general warfare clause nor any common offense clause.
So?
 

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“General Welfare“ is quite simple

Do what is best for We the People
Yes, what's best for ALL the people.
No legislation helps all people equally
It should.
How does public education help all people equally?
How does Medicare help everyone equally?
The citizenry must be able to read and understand their Constitution to vote in federal elections.
 

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General Welfare means....just do what is best for the people
No it does not. That is absurd and retarded.

You could argue that ANYTHING is best for the people and shit all over the other parts of the Constitution and Amendments as well as all individual rights.

If General Welfare means "just do what is best for the people" the entirety of the Constitution is null and void, because that means the FedGov can do ANYTHING it deems "best for the people" including killing some people and jailing others without cause.
It can only mean the general welfare not the general malfare.
 

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“General Welfare“ is quite simple

Do what is best for We the People
Exactly....and not “do what is best for certain people”
Right. "General welfare" was just an additional constraint on government (not a fucking "implied power"). It was saying that government couldn't collect taxes for the "specific" welfare of certain people. They had just rebelled against a king who used taxation to enrich himself and ignore his subjects.
General Welfare means....just do what is best for the people
Nope ... it's a modifying clause, attached to the taxation power. It doesn't mean "just do what is best for the people". That's unlimited government power - every liberals wet dream.
Read the Preamble
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of ...
So according to the Constitution, what has a higher priority, National defense or promoting the general welfare?
Our Constitution says nothing about priorities
It leaves it up to elected Government
Anyone with common sense can see by mentioning National defense first, that it's the priority.
If it was a priority, it would say so
It does say so. It's mentioned first.
With a common defense clause not a general defense clause. If you think the general welfare clause is not general, then how can a common clause be more comprehensive than a general clause?
 

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If you voted for Trump there’s a good chance you’re a lot like me with regard to why....I voted for him on two policies almost exclusively...First and foremost on how he would deal with illegal Mexicans and the border and second on how he would yank lowlifes off the Democrat induced welfare plantation.
Anyhoo, as we approach the point where welfare reform will be visited I ask for your opinions on EXACTLY what you think our founders meant when they used the phrase “GENERAL WELFARE” in the constitution?

Attention all Smartest Guys In The Room, and legal scholars:
Please spare us the case citations such as the U.S. vs Butler case and the like. I’m interested in YOUR opinions.
To protect the welfare of geographic America from a foreign invasion mainly. Also to ensure the upholding of law. Neither of which the Democrats have any interest in.
 

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“General Welfare“ is quite simple

Do what is best for We the People
Exactly....and not “do what is best for certain people”
Right. "General welfare" was just an additional constraint on government (not a fucking "implied power"). It was saying that government couldn't collect taxes for the "specific" welfare of certain people. They had just rebelled against a king who used taxation to enrich himself and ignore his subjects.
General Welfare means....just do what is best for the people
Nope ... it's a modifying clause, attached to the taxation power. It doesn't mean "just do what is best for the people". That's unlimited government power - every liberals wet dream.
Read the Preamble
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of ...
So according to the Constitution, what has a higher priority, National defense or promoting the general welfare?
Promote is only used for the general welfare not the common defense; and, there is no general warfare clause nor any common offense clause.
So?
It does not say to promote the common defense anywhere only the general welfare. The common defense clause must therefore be even less comprehensive than a general welfare clause.
 

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IMHO, general welfare means everybody. It means you don't benefit one group but not another, whether it's by state, race, religion, gender, or any other discriminator. It does NOT mean equal outcomes.
 

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“General Welfare“ is quite simple

Do what is best for We the People
Exactly....and not “do what is best for certain people”
Right. "General welfare" was just an additional constraint on government (not a fucking "implied power"). It was saying that government couldn't collect taxes for the "specific" welfare of certain people. They had just rebelled against a king who used taxation to enrich himself and ignore his subjects.
General Welfare means....just do what is best for the people
Nope ... it's a modifying clause, attached to the taxation power. It doesn't mean "just do what is best for the people". That's unlimited government power - every liberals wet dream.
Read the Preamble
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of ...
So according to the Constitution, what has a higher priority, National defense or promoting the general welfare?
Our Constitution says nothing about priorities
It leaves it up to elected Government
Anyone with common sense can see by mentioning National defense first, that it's the priority.
If it was a priority, it would say so
It does say so. It's mentioned first.
With a common defense clause not a general defense clause. If you think the general welfare clause is not general, then how can a common clause be more comprehensive than a general clause?
Official poverty! Common nonsense. Daniel is stoned again.
 

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According to JAMES MADISON, the clause authorized Congress to spend money, but only to carry out the powers and duties specifically enumerated in the subsequent clauses of Article I, Section 8, and elsewhere in the Constitution, not to meet the seemingly infinite needs of the general welfare. ALEXANDER HAMILTON maintained that the clause granted Congress the power to spend without limitation for the general welfare of the nation. The winner of this debate was not declared for 150 years.
Hamilton originally (when they were still trying to get everyone to sign on to the newly written Constitution) agreed with Madison. He only changed his tune after the Constitution was ratified, and his bankster friends steered him their way.
 

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“General Welfare“ is quite simple

Do what is best for We the People
Yes, what's best for ALL the people.
No legislation helps all people equally
It should.
How does public education help all people equally?
How does Medicare help everyone equally?
Isn't public education available to every child? Isn't Medicare available to every retiree?
Some people don’t have children, some old people don’t need medical insurance.
But public education and medical care for old people are best for a society as a whole.
Each member of society doesn’t benefit the same
 
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IMHO, general welfare means everybody. It means you don't benefit one group but not another, whether it's by state, race, religion, gender, or any other discriminator. It does NOT mean equal outcomes.
And, it's not a 'implied spending power'. That's an exploit pushed by people who want power over others.
 

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If you voted for Trump there’s a good chance you’re a lot like me with regard to why....I voted for him on two policies almost exclusively...First and foremost on how he would deal with illegal Mexicans and the border and second on how he would yank lowlifes off the Democrat induced welfare plantation.
Anyhoo, as we approach the point where welfare reform will be visited I ask for your opinions on EXACTLY what you think our founders meant when they used the phrase “GENERAL WELFARE” in the constitution?

Attention all Smartest Guys In The Room, and legal scholars:
Please spare us the case citations such as the U.S. vs Butler case and the like. I’m interested in YOUR opinions.
To protect the welfare of geographic America from a foreign invasion mainly. Also to ensure the upholding of law. Neither of which the Democrats have any interest in.
Our military has not defended us from foreign invasion in over 200 years
 

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IMHO, general welfare means everybody. It means you don't benefit one group but not another, whether it's by state, race, religion, gender, or any other discriminator. It does NOT mean equal outcomes.
When they wrote that general welfare meant the general welfare of whites only.
 

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If General Welfare means "just do what is best for the people" the entirety of the Constitution is null and void, because that means the FedGov can do ANYTHING it deems "best for the people"
That is the general idea

Instead of dictating specifically what Government can do, it allows elected Government to do what is best for the people who elected them.

If they don’t, they don’t get elected
The Constitution did not get made to turn us into a high tax socialist state. Running concurrently with it is the loss of unalienable rights. General welfare was coopted for all of the social programs. I exist in this like you. So I do not know what we would be like if we kept our foundation and budgets under control. It is also not the same time period as back then. What is important is the loss of liberty in many ways.
 

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The Constitution did not get made to turn us into a high tax socialist state
Where does it say that?
You are just making it up
 

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