What can republicans do for blacks?

[hortysir]

You mean like Liberals putting policies of Affirmative Action in place telling blacks they have to get help in hiring consideration due to race because they can't do it on their own?

When Democrats pander to blacks, it's no surprise blacks vote for them. How's that black unemployment rate doing for that vote?

Thanks for posting that

It says so much about what republicans can do for blacks. The watermelon and fried chicken is such a nice touch

It let's you know EXACTLY what they think about us.

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The whole "they verses us" is exactly the wrong foot to start with

 

[MarcATL]

Affirmative action helped every American family....not just blacks

No, it did not and it is not.

Affirmative action was a major success for our country

Women benefitted more than blacks. If you have a wife or daughter.....you have benefitted from affirmative action

wrong.
nobody benefited more than blacks. Society suffered as a whole.

What did they suffer from?

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Incompetence.
Sorry but its true.

Interesting.

He nails nothing. Look, I just spent 5 minutes listening to this guy and I still don't see what Republicans will do.

do? give them their freedom of course. In the Republican 1950's black teenage unemployment was less than white teenage unemployment!! It was Ronald Reagan who said, "isn't welfare a kind of slavery."

You didn't answer....does your daughter plan on being a cashier in a supermarket? Maybe do nails in a beauty parlor?

I answered with a question.

I assume that your internal belief system is strong enough to survive the removal of government force if AA was repealed.

You would not revert to 1950s era hiring practices. Neither would I.

Neither would the vast majority of our fellow 21st century Americans.

Thus, my answer is no, there is no need to set such a low goal,

unless of course AA bars her from jobs and education so that a black or brown person could benefit.

Tell your daughter she could have aspired to someday be a secretary if it weren't for affirmative action

Also remind her that if her daddy's political policies were followed by our country, that secretary would be the best she could hope for

Your misunderstanding of modern Conservatism is to be expected based on the scientifically proven difficulty that Liberals have understanding others.

Yes, when the time comes I will certainly discuss the history of women's rights with her, including all that occurred before and without regard for AA.

If Conservatives had things their way, you would be explaining to your daughter how important it is to find a good husband

You mean it isn't????

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[MarcATL]

Why can't blacks "do" for themselves like the rest of us?

Because they live in impoverished communities with few job prospects.

NOt really. THose communities tend to be on bus lines and to be connected to places with jobs.

Pull up the pants, lose the accent and the attitude and suddenly, prospects.

His excuses are just that, excuses. I was in prison with 0 job prospects and I'm doing just fine now.

Did you know that a white male with a prison record has better job prospects than a clean black male with a college degree?

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I'm on my phone, Google it.

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[MarcATL]

Why can't blacks "do" for themselves like the rest of us?

Because they live in impoverished communities with few job prospects.

NOt really. THose communities tend to be on bus lines and to be connected to places with jobs.

Pull up the pants, lose the accent and the attitude and suddenly, prospects.

His excuses are just that, excuses. I was in prison with 0 job prospects and I'm doing just fine now.

Did you know that a white male with a prison record has better job prospects than a clean black male with a college degree?

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not if that job is government or with a company that contracts to the government.
and did you know that the black male with the college degree only has his degree because some university had to meet specific government mandated goals on minority graduates?
With the reality of affirmative action, prove me wrong. The white guy obviously had to really do well to get his degree. The minority? not so much.

Interesting

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[Correll]

Why can't blacks "do" for themselves like the rest of us?

Because they live in impoverished communities with few job prospects.

NOt really. THose communities tend to be on bus lines and to be connected to places with jobs.

Pull up the pants, lose the accent and the attitude and suddenly, prospects.

His excuses are just that, excuses. I was in prison with 0 job prospects and I'm doing just fine now.

Did you know that a white male with a prison record has better job prospects than a clean black male with a college degree?

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not if that job is government or with a company that contracts to the government.
and did you know that the black male with the college degree only has his degree because some university had to meet specific government mandated goals on minority graduates?
With the reality of affirmative action, prove me wrong. The white guy obviously had to really do well to get his degree. The minority? not so much.

NO, it raises the real possibility that the black guy got his degree because of government force.

And thus punishes those blacks who have the ability to get their degrees legitimately.

 

[MarcATL]

You mean like Liberals putting policies of Affirmative Action in place telling blacks they have to get help in hiring consideration due to race because they can't do it on their own?

When Democrats pander to blacks, it's no surprise blacks vote for them. How's that black unemployment rate doing for that vote?

Thanks for posting that

It says so much about what republicans can do for blacks. The watermelon and fried chicken is such a nice touch

It let's you know EXACTLY what they think about us.

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When I hear blacks use a specific term in reference to another black, that if used by a white it would be racist, it lets me know what you think about yourselves.

How often is that?

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[Correll]

You mean like Liberals putting policies of Affirmative Action in place telling blacks they have to get help in hiring consideration due to race because they can't do it on their own?

When Democrats pander to blacks, it's no surprise blacks vote for them. How's that black unemployment rate doing for that vote?

Thanks for posting that

It says so much about what republicans can do for blacks. The watermelon and fried chicken is such a nice touch

It let's you know EXACTLY what they think about us.

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Nope, it lets you know what ONE GUY thinks about you.

 

[hortysir]

Because they live in impoverished communities with few job prospects.

NOt really. THose communities tend to be on bus lines and to be connected to places with jobs.

Pull up the pants, lose the accent and the attitude and suddenly, prospects.

His excuses are just that, excuses. I was in prison with 0 job prospects and I'm doing just fine now.

Did you know that a white male with a prison record has better job prospects than a clean black male with a college degree?

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I'm on my phone, Google it.

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On my phone too.
That doesn't give me carte Blanche to spew bullshit

 

[easyt65]

Why does anyone have to do anything for anyone. Do for yourself. That's the only way to be truly free.

That's probably the biggest thing the GOP can do for blacks - help them to understand THAT, to understand Liberals since LBJ have been 'giving them something but not enough to matter' - just enough to keep them in 'servitude' to the DNC, 'freebies' enough to live / exist on in exchange for votes.

As they say, though.....you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink'. Giving up 'free' stuff and not having to work would be harder than trying to quit smoking.

 

[Conservative65]

You mean like Liberals putting policies of Affirmative Action in place telling blacks they have to get help in hiring consideration due to race because they can't do it on their own?

When Democrats pander to blacks, it's no surprise blacks vote for them. How's that black unemployment rate doing for that vote?

Thanks for posting that

It says so much about what republicans can do for blacks. The watermelon and fried chicken is such a nice touch

It let's you know EXACTLY what they think about us.

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When I hear blacks use a specific term in reference to another black, that if used by a white it would be racist, it lets me know what you think about yourselves.

How often is that?

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More often than you're willing to admit.

 

[amrchaos]

So you want a meritocracy--hire based on merit/skills only. OK, but how do you safeguard the meritocracy? Remember, we weren't practicing a meritocracy beforehand, that is how AA came about. People were ruled out based on appearence, not skill.

By the way, I am for a meritocracy except in the cases of small family businesses.

You're saying it's OK to benefit those not passed over by giving them a benefit based on race. At the same time, those that had nothing to do with the passing over now have to suffer the consequences of something they didn't do. If using race to deny is wrong, trying to make up for it by using race to benefit is also wrong.

If you hire on merit/skill only how does race come into play?

I take it you are new to this planet?

We do this in the military--Why not in the workplace?

Are you claiming EVERY promotion in the military is done solely on merit/skill?

The majority are--or do you know of another metric.

 

[MarcATL]

If Conservatives had things their way, you would be explaining to your daughter how important it is to find a good husband

This is racist, or wrong?

Why?

Explaining to your daughter how important it is to find a good husband?

That is neither racist not wrong.

He nails nothing. Look, I just spent 5 minutes listening to this guy and I still don't see what Republicans will do.

do? give them their freedom of course. In the Republican 1950's black teenage unemployment was less than white teenage unemployment!! It was Ronald Reagan who said, "isn't welfare a kind of slavery."

Hate to tell you buddy, but you have to exchange something for a vote. No one is going to vote for you if you offer nothing.

Blacks are already free. You are trying to argue that voting Democrat is slavery. If that is the case, then your "gift" is the same as the third tier parties as well.

Why not argue Blacks should vote Green or Libertarian as well? Do they not gain the same "freedom" the Republicans offer? How is it different?

Republican is an actual party. Green and Libertarian are who people vote for when they're not going to vote for one of the major parties. They have no chance at winning anything.

How is what you said different sir? That was the question.

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[Conservative65]

You're saying it's OK to benefit those not passed over by giving them a benefit based on race. At the same time, those that had nothing to do with the passing over now have to suffer the consequences of something they didn't do. If using race to deny is wrong, trying to make up for it by using race to benefit is also wrong.

If you hire on merit/skill only how does race come into play?

I take it you are new to this planet?

We do this in the military--Why not in the workplace?

Are you claiming EVERY promotion in the military is done solely on merit/skill?

The majority are--or do you know of another metric.

Don't doubt the majority are and would hope all of them would be on merit. The problem comes in when promotions are made for reasons other than merit including using race as even one factor.

 

[MarcATL]

Explaining to your daughter how important it is to find a good husband?

That is neither racist not wrong.
Hate to tell you buddy, but you have to exchange something for a vote. No one is going to vote for you if you offer nothing.

Blacks are already free. You are trying to argue that voting Democrat is slavery. If that is the case, then your "gift" is the same as the third tier parties as well.

Why not argue Blacks should vote Green or Libertarian as well? Do they not gain the same "freedom" the Republicans offer? How is it different?

Republican is an actual party. Green and Libertarian are who people vote for when they're not going to vote for one of the major parties. They have no chance at winning anything.

They are parties still. They campaign, and even make campaign promises.


"They have no chance at winning anything." Yep. That is why they make the perfect other option. You are not going to gain anything from your vote by choosing them. How does that differ from voting for someone that offers nothing to begin with?

At least the Black voter is off the Democratic Plantation--Like Cynthia McKinney!

Black people (like any other people) are concerned about making their vote count. That's why we will always be a two party system. Why vote for a candidate that belongs to a party that has no chance at winning?

So even if we don't agree with everything our candidate has to say, we vote for them anyway even if a candidate from a secondary party holds values closer to ours.

For the most part, we don't vote our party or candidate in because we are so behind them, we vote to keep the other party or candidate out.

Normally true. But then there are times the party put up a total joke, or someone you voted for before that isn't what you want.

When that happens, the "other option" is the best option.

The only way the "other option" has a chance (or we have any chance at breaking out of the two party system) is if both parties piss off their constituents at the same time. We are seeing some of that with the Republican party evident by the front runners, however the Democrat party seems like they will never change or fight amongst themselves. If anything, they are drifting more left all the time. Their second favorite candidate is an admitted Socialist. Their current President was supported by the US Communist party both elections.

Are you suggesting that the Republican party is NOT heading more to the right and/or they don't want to?

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[Maryland Patriot]

Because they live in impoverished communities with few job prospects.

NOt really. THose communities tend to be on bus lines and to be connected to places with jobs.

Pull up the pants, lose the accent and the attitude and suddenly, prospects.

His excuses are just that, excuses. I was in prison with 0 job prospects and I'm doing just fine now.

Did you know that a white male with a prison record has better job prospects than a clean black male with a college degree?

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not if that job is government or with a company that contracts to the government.
and did you know that the black male with the college degree only has his degree because some university had to meet specific government mandated goals on minority graduates?
With the reality of affirmative action, prove me wrong. The white guy obviously had to really do well to get his degree. The minority? not so much.

NO, it raises the real possibility that the black guy got his degree because of government force.

And thus punishes those blacks who have the ability to get their degrees legitimately.

Thats the exact point I was making.

 

[MarcATL]

I love how a bunch of white conservatives , who probably never have even had a conversation with a black american, have all the answers on why they don't vote for the GOP .

I know right?

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[rightwinger]

You mean like Liberals putting policies of Affirmative Action in place telling blacks they have to get help in hiring consideration due to race because they can't do it on their own?

When Democrats pander to blacks, it's no surprise blacks vote for them. How's that black unemployment rate doing for that vote?

Thanks for posting that

It says so much about what republicans can do for blacks. The watermelon and fried chicken is such a nice touch

It let's you know EXACTLY what they think about us.

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When I hear blacks use a specific term in reference to another black, that if used by a white it would be racist, it lets me know what you think about yourselves.

Blacks are allowed to say n*gger, whites aren't

Chris Rock explained it best

Two fat girls can joke about how fat they are, if a skinny girl does it...its just plain mean

Two poor people can joke about how poor they are, if a rich person does it...its just plain mean

 

[Correll]

NOt really. THose communities tend to be on bus lines and to be connected to places with jobs.

Pull up the pants, lose the accent and the attitude and suddenly, prospects.

His excuses are just that, excuses. I was in prison with 0 job prospects and I'm doing just fine now.

Did you know that a white male with a prison record has better job prospects than a clean black male with a college degree?

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not if that job is government or with a company that contracts to the government.
and did you know that the black male with the college degree only has his degree because some university had to meet specific government mandated goals on minority graduates?
With the reality of affirmative action, prove me wrong. The white guy obviously had to really do well to get his degree. The minority? not so much.

NO, it raises the real possibility that the black guy got his degree because of government force.

And thus punishes those blacks who have the ability to get their degrees legitimately.

Thats the exact point I was making.

The way you stated it left out the option of the black males that could have achieved what they achieved based on their abilities and hard work.

I've known several black and/or mixed race males who would have had no problem without AA, but will always have to face that.

 

[amrchaos]

You're saying it's OK to benefit those not passed over by giving them a benefit based on race. At the same time, those that had nothing to do with the passing over now have to suffer the consequences of something they didn't do. If using race to deny is wrong, trying to make up for it by using race to benefit is also wrong.

If you hire on merit/skill only how does race come into play?

I take it you are new to this planet?

We do this in the military--Why not in the workplace?

Are you claiming EVERY promotion in the military is done solely on merit/skill?

And Time In Rank
Race doesn't enter in

Could not time in rank

If you hire on merit/skill only how does race come into play?

I take it you are new to this planet?

We do this in the military--Why not in the workplace?

Are you claiming EVERY promotion in the military is done solely on merit/skill?

The majority are--or do you know of another metric.

Don't doubt the majority are and would hope all of them would be on merit. The problem comes in when promotions are made for reasons other than merit including using race as even one factor.

I thought such actions as AA or simple discriminatory practices were not allowed and could be reported and actions reversed.

 

[MarcATL]

Suppose we all worked for the means that required all American children receive an equal education?

Not all American children need an "equal" education.

So who decides that black children do not need or deserve an equal education opportunity?

They have just as equal of an education as anybody else. The problem is that with the education they have, many of them drop out of school. So better teachers would make the difference?

If you want to work on black education, you first have to solve the single-parent family problem that plagues the black community. Parents are instrumental in a child's education which doesn't happen all that much in those black schools. In white or otherwise middle-class schools, parents are involved.

I went to school with plenty of blacks, same rooms, same teachers, same books, same lectures, same assignments.

And..?

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