Zone1 What are Your Deepest Confusions About God?

[Meriweather]

Would you approach the parents with a 'It's God's will' line ?

Is it good to approach anyone after any death with "It's God's will." Most of us have lost someone. When people are grieving, do they want to talk about the weather? Would we approach someone at such a time and say, "Great weather we're having, isn't it?" Or, maybe, "How about those Dallas Cowboys last game?" While I can't speak for everyone, after someone died, I did not want to talk about the weather, sporting events, recipes, or God. All that interested me was the deceased. Talk about your favorite memory of the deceased, and keep it short. Even an, "I loved his/her laugh" is better than changing the subject to God.

Now, (if later--it will never be the day of and up to the funeral) the grieving approach you and ask you about why God did this, forget about God's will. Each life, each existence has purpose. What purpose did he bring to his family, friends, acquaintances. What did he bring and contribute to this life--because it's valued.

Perhaps like in our family, in the ninth month of pregnancy the baby stopped moving. It was born dead. I believe his existence had purpose. What kind of comfort can be offered? "I'll remember him. Always."

What say you?

 

[sparky]

What say you?

I'd say the religmo's have an excuse, diversion or obfuscation of any incarnate manifestation that benefits them and keeps them in power Meri
~S~

 

[Meriweather]

I'd say the religmo's have an excuse, diversion or obfuscation of any incarnate manifestation that benefits them and keeps them in power Meri
~S~

Which can be said about anyone, an atheist or a person of faith, who wants to hold on to whatever position they have in this life. This includes a Kindergarten teacher who is really good at it and wants to hold onto her job.

People who choose religion/faith as their profession do not lose their humanness or the faults and weaknesses of human beings. Further, they are under the eyes of more people than most and are scrutinized more closely. Like the public school Kindergarten teachers, some are really good at their jobs. Many more are mediocre, and I've even run into a few who are a downright menace. Even so, the good, the bad, and the ugly in all professions want to keep their position (until/unless something better comes along).

I learned at age nine a nun could be more cruel than any other person I'd ever met. Being a nun did not stop her from also being an individual. Or mean. She could be as mean as the meanest fourth grader, which also taught me that some people never grow up. Even back then, I never let any person stand in the way of God. I am confused why you allow another human(s) to stand in your way? Are there other issues where you allow people to stand in the way of what you want?

I have. For example, I left reporting because editors were always standing in the way of my story (wanting to slant it in one direction or another). I left another job, because I was starting to being manipulated to hurt other people. (Never mind you, I can always have her do it...) So, I'm interested why/how clergy got in the way of you and God.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Two of my hobbies are water coloring painting and gardening, which makes me a creator. As the creator, I do not live inside my watercolors, or inside my garden. I do not depend on either color or garden soil to exist. The painting cannot move itself off the wall then back on again; no plant in my garden can walk out of it, go for a stroll, then return. Their existence is inside the creation; My existence is outside the creation.

Another point about creators and their creations. The creator does not compete with anything within his/her creation. For example, I don’t compete with cucumbers or dahlias; nor do I compete with a painted rock or waterfall.

God’s creation is the universe, and like all other creators, the Creator lives/exists outside His creation. He does not compete with it.

So falls the atheist straw man that those who do not believe in Zeus are atheists, too. No, because, you see, Zeus does not meet the definition of God as a being who lives outside this world.



Catholic Bishop Barron notes that people have deep confusions about God, and perhaps we have not taught about God as well as we should.

So, imagine God is a gardener. Why did God go and kill almost every living animal in Noah's Ark story? If you're the gardener and weeds start attacking, you get rid of the weeds, but God got rid of all the plants (the animals) except a few weeds (the humans) and two of every plant (the animals).

Why would he keep the weeds?

 

[kyzr]

So, imagine God is a gardener. Why did God go and kill almost every living animal in Noah's Ark story? If you're the gardener and weeds start attacking, you get rid of the weeds, but God got rid of all the plants (the animals) except a few weeds (the humans) and two of every plant (the animals).
Why would he keep the weeds?

That's an easy one. God created the garden and watches to see how it develops. He doesn't control everything, that would be "predestination". He may tweak things now and then, but generally things play out as they play out.

 

[frigidweirdo]

That's an easy one. God created the garden and watches to see how it develops. He doesn't control everything, that would be "predestination". He may tweak things now and then, but generally things play out as they play out.

But he did control everything. He decided that humans were bad, and he had a hissy fit and he killed every innocent animal, but two, and he killed most humans, but kept like 8.

Killing most things isn't "tweaking".

 

[Meriweather]

So, imagine God is a gardener. Why did God go and kill almost every living animal in Noah's Ark story? If you're the gardener and weeds start attacking, you get rid of the weeds, but God got rid of all the plants (the animals) except a few weeds (the humans) and two of every plant (the animals).

Why would he keep the weeds?

I don't see the account from that perspective.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I don't see the account from that perspective.

Right....

 

[sparky]

Which can be said about anyone

more so about those who seek power

Even back then, I never let any person stand in the way of God. I am confused why you allow another human(s) to stand in your way?

Organized religion is the biggest obstacle to God Meri

So, I'm interested why/how clergy got in the way of you and God.

History Meri.

I find it hard to ignore the theocracies bent on killing each other while preaching peace and love thy neighbor

they've politicized God

and all for their own control of the flock

~S~

 

[BreezeWood]

Such is the folly of militant atheist communists.

the world will be far better without the desert religions and if jesus had not been murdered and allowed to write their own memoir than the crucifiers write their version the christian bible in jesus's name without his permission.

such is the way of the crucifiers -

using jesus to persecute and victimize the innocent, the very people jesus and those others in the 1st century gave their lives for liberation theology, self determination than the desert religions of servitude and denial, false commandments, hereditary idolatry for the few who viciously tortured and crucified their adversary.

 

[Arlette]

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No. Religion searches for truth as passionately as science does. Science leaves the question of 'Why' to those exploring areas outside of science: Ideas. Philosophy. Religion. And these explorers are no more interested in fantasy than scientists are. Dismissing research, exploration, findings in these areas in unscientific by definition.

Religion doesn't search for truth. Everything is already known and settled. Ancient goat and sheep herders explained all the secrets of the universe.

 

[BreezeWood]

You can type all the nonsense you want. I provided scientific data.

nope, the finite angle of trajectory will return all mass at the same time without changing direction to its point of origin to again recompact into pure energy to repeat the cyclical - bb.

no, you have provided shallow generalizations, nothing new from flat earth desert dwellers than now, its dying atoms - their exercises of coercion and exploitation's for purposes only they can appreciate.

 

[ding]

such is the way of the crucifiers -

using jesus to persecute and victimize the innocent, the very people jesus and those others in the 1st century gave their lives for liberation theology, self determination than the desert religions of servitude and denial, false commandments, hereditary idolatry for the few who viciously tortured and crucified their adversary.

Looks like you've got a fan. It's good to know who is who.

 

[ding]

no, you have provided shallow generalizations, nothing new from flat earth desert dwellers than now, its dying atoms - their exercises of coercion and exploitation's for purposes only they can appreciate.

Sparky may buy your cyclical boomerang nonsense, but that's not how it happened.

Maybe try asking it this way.

Or this way.

 

[Meriweather]

Organized religion is the biggest obstacle to God Meri

How can it be? There are 168 hours in a week, and perhaps one or two at church. How can such a small amount of time at church hinder your time with God?

 

[Meriweather]

Organized religion is the biggest obstacle to God Meri

Sure, like school is the biggest obstacle to a good education. It still doesn't stop those who are determined to learn from learning, though admittedly, it can get in the way.

 

[MarathonMike]

You weren't taught to pray for God's help and guidance in living your own life and looking for solutions in your own life as well? We were taught we were to discern God's will in our own lives and follow it. I don't see how that discernment can happen without prayer? And, of course, whenever we heard a siren, the entire class would stop whatever we were working on to say a prayer for whoever was in trouble.

Not that I remember. It was always about praying for others who were having problems.

 

[Meriweather]

more so about those who seek power




Organized religion is the biggest obstacle to God Meri


History Meri.

I find it hard to ignore the theocracies bent on killing each other while preaching peace and love thy neighbor

they've politicized God

and all for their own control of the flock

~S~

Has the Church sent you out to kill someone?

 

[ding]

I'd say the religmo's have an excuse, diversion or obfuscation of any incarnate manifestation that benefits them and keeps them in power Meri
~S~

Conspiracy theory much?

 

[Meriweather]

Everything is already known and settled.

Do tell.