Zone1 Were there human beings before Adam and Eve?

[Seymour Flops]

It's an interesting read. The problem is that all of those people should have been wiped out in the flood.

Probably best not to quote mythology, as mythologies tend not to be consistent

Yes, I do believe that the Bible purports to be true, and not allegory.

Noah's flood has always struck me as the most difficult to have been literally true, scientifically speaking. Likely, the story is based on localized flooding, and not a world-wide deluge.

Also, the least logical. Why kill all the animals all over the world? If the whole world was guilty of enough sin to deserve to be wiped out, why were all the stories set in the Middle-East? Etc.

Not saying it is impossible. With an omniscient and omnipotent God making it happen, anything can happen.

 

[Woodznutz]

Yes, I do believe that the Bible purports to be true, and not allegory.

Noah's flood has always struck me as the most difficult to have been literally true, scientifically speaking. Likely, the story is based on localized flooding, and not a world-wide deluge.

Also, the least logical. Why kill all the animals all over the world? If the whole world was guilty of enough sin to deserve to be wiped out, why were all the stories set in the Middle-East? Etc.

Not saying it is impossible. With an omniscient and omnipotent God making it happen, anything can happen.

Even the geologic record reveals a pattern of ruin followed quickly by restoration. After the flood God simply restored the species of animals and plants needed for the new world. And, not all previous species were saved on the ark, only select species.

 

[Meriweather]

And why would God choose as his son a Jew who was both related to the very people who crucified him AND don't even believe the Son of God has come yet?!

God chose for his son to be born into the Jewish community. Jesus noted several times the power of seeds. One is that the seed has to be willing to die in order to give rise to immeasurable produce.

 

[BreezeWood]

Why do I feel blessed and not persecuted and victimized?

because you are a desert dweller that uses the phony christian bible for that purpose - to persecute and victimize the innocent ... the reflection and true conclusion of the 1st century events.

 

[BreezeWood]

God chose for his son to be born into the Jewish community. Jesus noted several times the power of seeds. One is that the seed has to be willing to die in order to give rise to immeasurable produce.

never ... hereditary idolatry is an anathema and is nowhere found in the heavens.

joseph and mary were not jews and did not fear judaism or the liar moses - is the reason they were heavenly chosen as mary magdalene and jesus to be their exemplars.

 

[Woodznutz]

because you are a desert dweller that uses the phony christian bible for that purpose - to persecute and victimize the innocent ... the reflection and true conclusion of the 1st century events.

You err. The old desert dwellers along with Moses "carcasses fell in the wilderness" and didn't enter the promised land.

A little historical note fer ya.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Much of the world has 'outgrown' it as well and is circling the drain as a result.

I don't have to account for your delusional and terminal cynicism. That's your problem to work through.

 

[Woodznutz]

I don't have to account for your delusional and terminal cynicism. That's your problem to work through.

Lack of general accountability is one of the problems.

When skepticism is justified over a long period of time, it turns to cynicism.

Anyone who isn't a bit cynical hasn't been paying attention.

 

[toobfreak]

So, Lessee---

The Bible doesn't have to mention all other religions. The Bible is God's Word and gives the truth about God and salvation. All religions outside of the the true faith in the true God of the Bible are false.

So, in other words, no answer at all. Just the meaningless and valueless: "The Bible don't need to, neener, neener." "The Bible is God's word and gives the whole truth about salvation because it or you say so." All religions outside of the true faith in the true God are false, despite still offering no supporting proof to back up your claim."

In other words, you have no proof of nothing you claim other than to claim you are right. Meantime, where does the Bible ever mention ANY other religion much less say that all religions before and since Jesus are all false?

When are you going to admit you have no answers for half my questions and the other half aren't even credible answers?

 

[toobfreak]

God chose for his son to be born into the Jewish community.

What book and verse claims that?

Jesus noted several times the power of seeds. One is that the seed has to be willing to die in order to give rise to immeasurable produce.

I don't recall him saying anything about seeds dying, especially as the seed does not die--- if goes from a state of dormancy to growth.

 

[Meriweather]

So, Lessee---



So, in other words, no answer at all. Just the meaningless and valueless: "The Bible don't need to, neener, neener." "The Bible is God's word and gives the whole truth about salvation because it or you say so." All religions outside of the true faith in the true God are false, despite still offering no supporting proof to back up your claim."

In other words, you have no proof of nothing you claim other than to claim you are right. Meantime, where does the Bible ever mention ANY other religion much less say that all religions before and since Jesus are all false?

When are you going to admit you have no answers for half my questions and the other half aren't even credible answers?

Consider the perspective of how well Jesus' words have meaning and value in any religion, and can bring meaning and value to every religion. The teachings of Jesus reach all of us and call to my mind a quote from Edwin Markham. In short, do not view Jesus' teachings as a circle to shut anyone out--rather view them as the wider circle that draws everyone in.

 

[Meriweather]

What book and verse claims that?

You might read the first chapters of Matthew and Luke regarding the birth of Jesus.

 

[Meriweather]

I don't recall him saying anything about seeds dying, especially as the seed does not die--- if goes from a state of dormancy to growth.

John 12:24 - I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains just a grain of wheat;r but if it dies, it produces much fruit.

 

[toobfreak]

Consider the perspective of how well Jesus' words have meaning and value in any religion, The teachings of Jesus reach all of us.

Last I checked, the words of Christ had no meaning for the roughly 5.7 billion people in the world not practicing Christianity.

 

[BreezeWood]

- and didn't enter the promised land.

desert dwellers never will, their written bibles of forgeries, lies and fallacies only work on planet earth using their own motivations and nothing else.

 

[Meriweather]

Last I checked, the words of Christ had no meaning for the roughly 5.7 billion people in the world not practicing Christianity.

Dictionaries are good for providing the meaning for words that are not understood.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

That's my guess.

But, I'm probably wrong.

Still, there was something different about Adam and Eve to be created the way they were, first Adam and then Eve from Adam.

This I agree with.
Something unique happened with Man 6000 years ago

 

[Quantrill]

So, Lessee---



So, in other words, no answer at all. Just the meaningless and valueless: "The Bible don't need to, neener, neener." "The Bible is God's word and gives the whole truth about salvation because it or you say so." All religions outside of the true faith in the true God are false, despite still offering no supporting proof to back up your claim."

In other words, you have no proof of nothing you claim other than to claim you are right. Meantime, where does the Bible ever mention ANY other religion much less say that all religions before and since Jesus are all false?

When are you going to admit you have no answers for half my questions and the other half aren't even credible answers?

No, it's just the answer you don't like.

No, I claim the Bible is right as it is the Word of God. That is what it says, and that is what I believe. My proof is 'the Bible says'.

There were plenty of false religions long before Jesus. And plenty after.

(Ex. 20:2-3) "I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me."

(Ex. 34:14) "For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is jealous, is a jealous God:"

(Deut. 12:29-32) "When the LORD thy God shall cut off the nations from before thee...Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them...and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods..."

(Jer.7:9) "Will ye steal, murder, and commit adultery, and swear falsely, and burn incense unto Baal, and walk after other gods whom ye know not."

(1 Kings 18:17-40) "....Now therefore send, and gather to me all Israel unto mount Carmel, and the prophets of Baal four hundred and fifty, and the prophets of the groves four hundred, which eat at Jezebel's table...." Be sure to read the whole passage I gave.

(Rom 1:21-23) "Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened....And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

I have answered all your questions. The Bible has answered your questions.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

Still, there was something different about Adam and Eve to be created the way they were, first Adam and then Eve from Adam.

Consider this: Adam as the first man was the head of the whole human race. It was important that all humans were of Adam. In that way God could count the actions of Adam to the whole human race. Which He did. When Adam sinned the whole human race was guilty of sin. See (Rom. 5:12-21) (1 Cor. 15:21-22) (1 Cor. 15:45-47)

In this way, God could equally count the actions of Christ to all that are of Him. Whereby His payment for sin is accounted to all of Him.

All in Adam are born of Adam through natural birth. That connects them to Adam. But, Eve was not born of Adam through that process. So, for her to be connected to Adam, she was created from Adam. So that when Adam sinned she would be guilty of his sin as well.

The question arises, but she sinned first? Yes, she did. And she was guilty of her sin. But she was not the head of the human race, Adam was. Thus the human race didn't fall in Eve. And Adam had not yet fallen. Eve was in the most dangerous place a human could be in. She had sinned yet her head, Adam, had not.

Adam could have refused the fruit. Could have told God 'this woman has sinned against you and tried to make me eat of the fruit, I want another one'. But he didn't. He ate the fruit and the whole human race fell with him. Which meant when God redeemed the whole race through One Jesus Christ, Eve could be redeemed also, because she was of Adam.

Important to remember that Eve was deceived, but Adam was not. He knew what he was doing when he ate the fruit. He knew what would happen. (1 Tim. 2:13-14) "For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."

I would say that Adam didn't want another woman, he wanted Eve. And he ate knowing that God would get him back. And whatever it took for God to get him back, would get Eve back also.

My opinion.

Quantrill

 

[shockedcanadian]

Yes, I do believe that the Bible purports to be true, and not allegory.

Noah's flood has always struck me as the most difficult to have been literally true, scientifically speaking. Likely, the story is based on localized flooding, and not a world-wide deluge.

Also, the least logical. Why kill all the animals all over the world? If the whole world was guilty of enough sin to deserve to be wiped out, why were all the stories set in the Middle-East? Etc.

Not saying it is impossible. With an omniscient and omnipotent God making it happen, anything can happen.

There are many questions I have about the bible and its accuracy. Tje flood mwy be one of them though there are many others. The ages of some of the charzcters should raise questions too, no?